Why do people have issues with others not being fans of the SNES?

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10-17-2016, 03:51 PM
Thief

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Super Metroid (Syphony of the Night would not exist without this game's influence)

Oh come on, don't give me a reason to hate on Super Metroid. :p Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of SotN, despite having bought and beat when it came out. As is, SotN is a perfect example how not to rip off Metroid. The best thing about having played SotN back in the day was having Psycho Mantis tell me I've been playing a lot of Castlevania. Because; "Mind*Blown*

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

SotN would definitely exist without Super Metroid, which itself wasn't very original. SotN/NitM owes its existence to Rondo.

I agree. Speaking of Rondo, game never clicked with me either. So much so that I actually prefer the SNES version of Dracula X. That's right, you heard me right.

I also always wondered if SotN never moved away from the 32X, if it still would of been as lame as style over substance Rondo?

Was also very disappointed in the PSP port of Rondo. Where I was hoping for better balance tweaks and added difficulty and/or loop. Man I miss the days of practically every Konami game looping.
10-17-2016, 04:11 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

SotN would definitely exist without Super Metroid, which itself wasn't very original. SotN/NitM owes its existence to Rondo.

It borrows its map system and level layout from Super Metroid.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroidvania

The closest game I've ever played before Metroid was Montezuma's Revenge on the C-64. There is another game that predates it on the C-64 as well, but I've only played a small part of it before the broken copy ends with an area you can't go beyond.
10-17-2016, 04:29 PM
Tower of Power

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Originally Posted by gamevet

It borrows its map system and level layout from Super Metroid.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroidvania

Ya, I agree. The DNA of SoTN clearly points to Super Metroid. Both SoTN and Super Metroid have you exploring an "open world" castle/space station/whatever that you can back track all you want through (and, indeed, are required to back track) that has locked off areas, you defeat bosses and discover items that you allow you to progress into previously locked off areas (that contain more bosses and items). Saving is done pretty much any time you want via save rooms. Rondo (while excellent) has a very different progression system, much more traditional. Instead of a big open map, you have levels. There really isn't much back tracking (unless you're purposely going back to find hidden paths or girls - actually, my memory is fuzzy, are you allowed to go back into a level after beating it?), and you can only save your progress between levels. In Super Metroid and SotN (especially SotN) you can permanently power up your character with items you fine, while in Rondo you're pretty much limited to your initial load out (barring the usual Castlevania power ups). Rondo is a much more traditional Castlevania game, with save points. SotN and Super Metroid are a totally different style of game. Also, Rondo is much harder. I know Rondo is technically the prequel to SotN, but outside of some sprite work, they're very different games.

And Super Metroid isn't very original? I mean, it draws a lot of inspiration from the original Metroid, as well as other places, but all together, it feels like a pretty distinct piece of software? What is your reasoning for saying that?
10-17-2016, 05:02 PM
Thief

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Originally Posted by Tower of Power

Ya, I agree. The DNA of SoTN clearly points to Super Metroid. Both SoTN and Super Metroid have you exploring an "open world" castle/space station/whatever that you can back track all you want through (and, indeed, are required to back track) that has locked off areas, you defeat bosses and discover items that you allow you to progress into previously locked off areas (that contain more bosses and items). Saving is done pretty much any time you want via save rooms. Rondo (while excellent) has a very different progression system, much more traditional. Instead of a big open map, you have levels. There really isn't much back tracking (unless you're purposely going back to find hidden paths or girls - actually, my memory is fuzzy, are you allowed to go back into a level after beating it?), and you can only save your progress between levels. In Super Metroid and SotN (especially SotN) you can permanently power up your character with items you fine, while in Rondo you're pretty much limited to your initial load out (barring the usual Castlevania power ups). Rondo is a much more traditional Castlevania game, with save points. SotN and Super Metroid are a totally different style of game. Also, Rondo is much harder. I know Rondo is technically the prequel to SotN, but outside of some sprite work, they're very different games.

And Super Metroid isn't very original? I mean, it draws a lot of inspiration from the original Metroid, as well as other places, but all together, it feels like a pretty distinct piece of software? What is your reasoning for saying that?

How about gameplay, difficulty and level design?
10-17-2016, 05:31 PM
gamevet

I'll take Super Metroid over Castlevania, hands down.
10-17-2016, 05:40 PM
Tower of Power

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Originally Posted by Thief

How about gameplay, difficulty and level design?

What do you mean, exactly? If anything, SotN is closer to Super Metroid when it comes to gameplay, difficulty, and level design. The one real exception being that in SotN your main mode of attack is close range weapons while in Super Metroid it's projectiles (although it's definitely possible to shoot projectiles in SotN).
10-17-2016, 05:57 PM
saturndual32

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Originally Posted by Thief

I agree. Speaking of Rondo, game never clicked with me either. So much so that I actually prefer the SNES version of Dracula X. That's right, you heard me right.

Really?... you prefer SNES Dracula X with input lag and annoyingly slow character included?. You gotta tell us the reasons, i find it really interesting that you prefer the SNES game. Just the main character movement breaks the SNES game for me. Still i find it a nice game, though.
10-17-2016, 06:06 PM
Thief

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Originally Posted by Tower of Power

What do you mean, exactly? If anything, SotN is closer to Super Metroid when it comes to gameplay, difficulty, and level design. The one real exception being that in SotN your main mode of attack is close range weapons while in Super Metroid it's projectiles (although it's definitely possible to shoot projectiles in SotN).

I already talked about this in the Bloodstained, Igarashi's "Igavania" kickstarter topic. Here, start with this link; http://danielprimed.com/2010/11/metr...n-implication/
10-17-2016, 06:10 PM
Thief

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Originally Posted by saturndual32

Really?... you prefer SNES Dracula X with input lag and annoyingly slow character included?. You gotta tell us the reasons, i find it really interesting that you prefer the SNES game. Just the main character movement breaks the SNES game for me. Still i find it a nice game, though.

Because it's more like the classic Castlevania games instead of SotN.
10-17-2016, 07:15 PM
goldenband

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Originally Posted by Thief

The only RPG I played during the 16-Bit era was in 1995 with a single rental, not enough to beat, of Chrono Trigger (my next RPG would be FF7). And the only ARPGs I've played during the 16-Bit era was SNES Zelda (owned and beat it twice).

During each console's respective era (i.e. while they were on the market) I played and beat these RPGs:

NES: Dragon Warrior, Faxanadu, Final Fantasy, Hydlide, Legend of Zelda, Magic of Scheherazade, Romance of the Three Kingdoms (not exactly an RPG, but might as well be), Ultima: Exodus, Ultima: Quest of the Avatar, Zelda II

SNES: Drakkhen, Final Fantasy II, Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest, Legend of Zelda III: A Link to the Past, Lufia, Secret of Evermore, Secret of Mana, Shadowrun, Ys III

As well as other games I played and didn't beat, e.g. Destiny of an Emperor for NES (damned save battery!), Deadly Towers, or Lord of the Rings Vol. 1 for SNES. I also beat Dungeons of Daggorath for the Tandy CoCo, and probably cheated my way through one or two BASIC type-in games for the TRS-80 Model III.

*shrug* The kids I knew who played video games were into RPGs more often than not, as were multiple adult members of my family, including an attorney. The captain of my school's basketball team played Dungeons & Dragons, and turned me on to Romance of the Three Kingdoms. If RPGs were stigmatized, it was news to me; I played D&D with jocks, stoners, and hard-drinking metalheads. Everyone's experience is different.
10-17-2016, 08:06 PM
Black_Tiger

(J)RPG was my favorite genre going into the 16-bit generation. I loved playing games with almost any kind of adventure/RPG/character building aspects and still do.
10-17-2016, 08:20 PM
Thief

I sure wished I discovered the JRPG genre much sooner. Just because I would of enjoyed some of these RPGs more back then. And I really like the genre when a certain game clicks and I'm able to continue until the end.
10-17-2016, 10:34 PM
zetastrike

On the subject of SotN "owing its existence" to Super Metroid, this game was made by much of the same dev team as SotN and released in 1993, a year before SM:

You could argue that Konami already had the bug in its ear about exploration games long before SM hit the shelves. It even has a map feature.
10-17-2016, 10:46 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by zetastrike

On the subject of SotN "owing its existence" to Super Metroid, this game was made by much of the same dev team as SotN and released in 1993, a year before SM:

You could argue that Konami already had the bug in its ear about exploration games long before SM hit the shelves. It even has a map feature.

That's a bit of a stretch. You don't see the map until you get to a save point and the save is nothing more than a password.
10-17-2016, 11:52 PM
Thief

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Originally Posted by gamevet

That's a bit of a stretch. You don't see the map until you get to a save point and the save is nothing more than a password.

Lets stop looking at the whole map thing for the Super Metroid tie in. Super Metroid isn't all about some dumb map that dumbs the game further down. Adding maps to games started becoming the norm because gamers can't find their way out of a wet single room dungeon crawler.

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