Pier Solar: Official Thread

A big point with pre-orders is that you take a chance for something. You give your money before getting the actual product, putting your trust that it will be as good as you hope it to be, and as a thanks you get it before most others. This also applies to Pier Solar, where our main promise has been to make a great game, a promise we will not break. We haven't put 100% details about the game in announcements because it would spoil surprises and some things might change until the very end of production, thus making those announcements incorrect. You can choose to trust us and preorder or not. We aren't obliged to tell everything about the game if you preorder, and you aren't obliged to preorder.

Speaking as a fan of the Genesis and somewhat of a collector (my aim isn't to own ALL Genesis games, only the BEST Genesis games), I don't really see what the problem is.

I get that the picture on the Pier Solar site looks like plastic, but if it's made to look exaclty like all other Genesis games, and will fit nicely on my shelf, who really cares if it's plastic or cardboard. Because of the additional CD, which will provide sound quality that would be impossible otherwise, a custom box is needed.

You never really hear SNES fans complain about the Earthbound box, and that thing was ridiculous.

Thanks...you know, it is really frustrating to work almost fulltime on such a project and trying to find the best solution we can get and then get bashed over asomething that was somewhat unclear but in the end still for the best of the customer.

We are trying so hard to make it perfect, we put extra stuff inand have gone through many hardships that would have meant the death of such a homebrew project in many cases, and we have nothing from it but the feeling of accomplishing something special.

If you don't want to get bashed, don't give reasons for people to bash you. Don't put the word "clamshell" on your site. Don't post pictures of clearly plastic boxes. You seriously can't be surprised at the reaction. In other words, be careful what you say and show so that people don't have any chance of being misled.

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Originally Posted by 108 Stars

a Canadian will be responsible for writing all text and checking it so it is correct.

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Will be? Man, this game isn't very close to production yet, is it?

Carts are prepared with the ROM images after production not during production... we're not having mask ROMs here...

Sorry, I exploded right here. I´ll leave it be now.

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Originally Posted by 108 Stars

Yeah, a Canadian will be responsible for writing all text and checking it so it is correct. We also have native speakers for all other translations.

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"So, hey' let's go kill that dragon, eh?" :p

I don't think the photo swap and misdirection on that clamshell/not-a-clamshell case is the end result of some sinister plan or anything. :) Likewise, it is still great to see a new Genesis game, and for that alone you and the others should pat yourselves on the back (as the group keeps doing). Still, that is no excuse to defraud costumers on a certain aspect of the game, and the constant insistence that "it's still a clamshell / no reason to distinguish our cardboard packaging from good, reliable plastic found in 99.9% of all Sega games" just makes for a disgusting situation in my eyes. I appreciate the offer to rescind my pre-order and will take you up on it.

I will note that the site has yet to be corrected. The picture has yet to be adjusted. I'd strongly advise accurately reflecting the final product in all release materials and on your site. Though I'm sure many will be satisfied and enjoy the release regardless, there's no reason to provide fuel for flames from those anticipating one thing and receiving something quite a bit different. Given how many deride Sega for switching to cardboard from the clamshell packaging, I do believe it's not the trivial matter as your team may make it out to be. :)

Does anyone have that link to the picture of the actual case?

Nevermind! Found pics on Matteus' site.

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

We haven't put 100% details about the game in announcements because it would spoil surprises and some things might change until the very end of production, thus making those announcements incorrect. You can choose to trust us and preorder or not. We aren't obliged to tell everything about the game if you preorder, and you aren't obliged to preorder.

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See, I disagree with this completely. Since you guys are the ones making the game and want people to buy it, it falls on you to motivate them to preorder it. You don't have to tell customers everything about the game when they preorder, but I would think that the actual packaging is within the boundaries of what's to be expected. What's to gain by keeping it a secret?

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Originally Posted by Benjamin

I will note that the site has yet to be corrected. The picture has yet to be adjusted. I'd strongly advise accurately reflecting the final product in all release materials and on your site.

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Considering the indirect comments made towards a "certain other company" over the same thing, I'm surprised that it hasn't been fixed.

Well, I can see where all the confusion came from so far. I mean, most people can view the official sites forum and find out what exactly the box will be, but not everyone will do so. As long as the main site still says "clamshell", I'd say it's likely to confuse some people still. When I first heard it was clamshell, I assumed a plastic box too(I never have personally heard a cardboard box referred to as clamshell, as it doesn't "clam" shut like plastic).

Of course like many I could care less and just want to see the game, but I'd say somebody better just correct the main page before more people complain. It'd be for the better :)

It's not a big deal in reality, but the misconception it gives potential buyers could be a bad thing. When readers see "clamshell," they don't automatically think "custom cardboard box."

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachm...1&d=1226533766

WOW all this over a box. It seems to me that the box is thtrival part of the game. Sure it's nice to look at and keeps the cartrisge clean but the game is the most important part. I order stuff from Atari Age and most of that stuff comes in a plastic sack somtimes with a manual and I'm just happy to have a new Atari game to play. Packaging doesn't matter. These guys are working with limited resources, on thier own time to bring us a new SEGA game. All this nitpicking over a box. Recinding your order over a box. WOW.

I'm sure your going to say it's based on principle but what about supporting the Sega homebrew community. They aren't a big corporation who decided to go from plastic to card board so thier CEOs can get an efficientcy bonus. They are doing this because they love the system. It's a unique game in a unique package. Cum-on it's only a box.

Think about the other potential hombrewers out there. Are they going to have to think twice before pursuing production because "It won't look exactly like a game made when the Genesis was around" . It's not a game from when the Genesis was popular. Why should it look the same.

Check out the Atari Age forums and see the support their homebrew community has from it's members. Every year there are around 7 - 10 NEW games released acrosse the Atari platforms by the home brew community because of their support and love for the systems. Granted Atari systems are somtimes easier to code for but look at the Jaguar. Songbird productions in Rochester,MN obtains rights, completes/debugs, and releases new titles for it. They sell games for a profit and charge $65-$90 a title and they come in cardboard boxes with b/w manuals. But they're fun and alot of work has been put into them. Some are very technically impressive (Skyhammer=cool).

Nothing would be possible without support. The Pier Solar Team & Super Fighter they support the MD/Genesis platform, lets support them.

Personally, I have no problem with the box at all. I like the artwork, and I understand the need to accommodate the CD.

That being said, I can understand why some people would be miffed. Canceling a preorder seems a bit much though.

While it's definitely cool to see a new Genesis game, I don't think that in its own right is worthy of super praise. I keep reading things like I should be so damn happy to have a new Genesis game and by God I had better be thankful for it and take what I am given. It's almost as if the game itself doesn't even matter... because it's a NEW GENESIS GAME oh my god thankyousomuchIloveyou. I won't give my money away JUST BECAUSE Super Fighter Team and this team support the Genesis, as is indicated that I should with wizzzard77's last sentence.