Pier Solar: Official Thread

Of course the game itself matters. I think all the enthusiasm comes from the fact that 3 new games released in 2 years is something no one ever thought would happen. Dreamcast fans tend to get a bit happy too whenever something like Border Down comes out, and that console's much younger.

Of course, the mere fact that a new game is coming out doesn't mean that everyone should just forget about the actual product and run to preorder. So far though, the quality seems to justify the enthusiasm, and from what I've played of Legend of Wukong (yes, I've played it!), we're still batting 1000.

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

I won't give my money away JUST BECAUSE Super Fighter Team and this team support the Genesis, as is indicated that I should with wizzzard77's last sentence.

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The funny thing is I did just that. I have little interest in RPGs, but I've always been a big believer in "supporting the scene" as it were with local music and other interests. What bothers me is the absolute ignorance and stubborn attitude insisting something is which it is not. The strong possibility, in my opinion at least, exists that such a frame of mind could extend to the game itself. What is "acceptably buggy" to the team? What if the game crashes after ten minutes of play? "Oh, well, lots of homebrew stuff is buggy, so accept it" or "just be glad you're playing a new Genesis game" would be possible responses, at least based on this precedent. Though I certainly wish the team well, I don't think this level of QA bodes well for the final product, and it's a potential headache I can do without. :(

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Originally Posted by Benjamin

The funny thing is I did just that. I have little interest in RPGs, but I've always been a big believer in "supporting the scene" as it were with local music and other interests. What bothers me is the absolute ignorance and stubborn attitude insisting something is which it is not. The strong possibility, in my opinion at least, exists that such a frame of mind could extend to the game itself. What is "acceptably buggy" to the team? What if the game crashes after ten minutes of play? "Oh, well, lots of homebrew stuff is buggy, so accept it" or "just be glad you're playing a new Genesis game" would be possible responses, at least based on this precedent. Though I certainly wish the team well, I don't think this level of QA bodes well for the final product, and it's a potential headache I can do without. :(

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This is what the Sega-16 review of the game is for :D

as far as being buggy goes, in the beta I noticed the characters move one "square" or distance mark when you press the d-pad in a given direction- if they're facing a wall or other stationary object and you try to walk toward the wall, their sprite will endlessly play the walking animation because they can't move.

What kind of debugging and testing is the game going under

Edit: There's also a ridiculous amount of butt-hurt going on about the case for the game. I'll admit when I read "clamshell" I thought about the old plastic cases... but geeze does it realy matter THAT MUCH and there's just a small level of miscommunication? it IS a clamshell design, only it happens to be paperboard rather than plastic. It's not a slip-sleeve design like the other paperboard Genesis boxes were. Seems like a petty issue to get worked up over.

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Originally Posted by Benjamin

Still, that is no excuse to defraud costumers on a certain aspect of the game, and the constant insistence that "it's still a clamshell / no reason to distinguish our cardboard packaging from good, reliable plastic found in 99.9% of all Sega games" just makes for a disgusting situation in my eyes. I appreciate the offer to rescind my pre-order and will take you up on it.

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I don't think it's very nice to make up quotes we've never said, please stop putting words into our mouths :/. There has never been any intention to make customers believe the case is plastic while the actual packaging is strong, sturdy cardboard that is more expensive than the available plastic box. We were forced to begin with the preorders far earlier than the actual packaging was done.

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Originally Posted by Melf

See, I disagree with this completely. Since you guys are the ones making the game and want people to buy it, it falls on you to motivate them to preorder it.

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Try the demo, look at our later released screenshots, read the info provided on the image you later posted. If that is not enough, ask us questions. People did that and were disappointed with the answers not being what they expected them to be, after they preordered.

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Originally Posted by Melf

You don't have to tell customers everything about the game when they preorder, but I would think that the actual packaging is within the boundaries of what's to be expected. What's to gain by keeping it a secret?

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The packaging wasn't done when the preorders began. Revealing everything before release will spoil the surprise effect. Some people over at Digitpress decided to wait with preorder until the final packaging is revealed, something which I think is a very wise decision if someone thinks it is more important than the game itself.

Well I suppose half the reason i'm buying is to support the team, but i've never played a mega drive rpg before so this fits in for me, and I didn't even go looking for Phantasy Star or anything because i'm confident that the game will be of the highest quality.

We should support WM because its easy to say "I love the old sega games but they don't make any any more", but they got off the couch and have spent a long time making a new one when all we've had since 1998 is some chinese pirates, frog feast, beggar prince and the promise of Teenage Queen and Rick Dangerous. I say well done to them and I Can't wait to play it.

It`s starting to sound like there are some ungreatful people who have nothing better to do than complain about shit. You need to ask yourself why you are wanting this game in the first place, I doubt it`s because you were hoping to have a another brand new piece of plastic, if so then go buy some lego!

Because I want my first 16 bit rpg experience to be the best! But I do appreciate how much work must have been put in to it.

If you want a great first 16-bit RPG experience play Earthbound *Dodges brick*

Its nice, easy, relaxing and humorous, plus I cannot think of any Mega Drive games of similar style.

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Originally Posted by sonicwatcher6969

Well I suppose half the reason i'm buying is to support the team, but i've never played a mega drive rpg before so this fits in for me, and I didn't even go looking for Phantasy Star or anything because i'm confident that the game will be of the highest quality.

We should support WM because its easy to say "I love the old sega games but they don't make any any more", but they got off the couch and have spent a long time making a new one when all we've had since 1998 is some chinese pirates, frog feast, beggar prince and the promise of Teenage Queen and Rick Dangerous. I say well done to them and I Can't wait to play it.

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amen to that brother

cause they are the people that make a compleet new game if you don t like don t buy it and if you want a plastic shell than cut the carton board and shove in the plastic shell or make one yourself

Let's end this damn packaging discussions with the following statement by myself:

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

You really should consider including printable inserts in 300dpi to the CD. That should keep those purists out there with a color (laser) printer happy.

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Originally Posted by sonicwatcher6969

We should support WM because its easy to say "I love the old sega games but they don't make any any more", but they got off the couch and have spent a long time making a new one when all we've had since 1998 is some chinese pirates, frog feast, beggar prince and the promise of Teenage Queen and Rick Dangerous.

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Beggar Prince required a lot more work than those other games you mentioned. It wasn't done by one guy on a Mac over the weekend.

If I recall correctly, Frog Feast was an exercise in porting to multiple consoles, no? It wasn't supposed to be a big seller or anything.

I don't know enough about the other two to comment, but I can safely say that BP was a big project for a small developer, and Legend of Wukong is even more ambitious in scope.

Rick Dangerous and Teenage Queen both are in the works for years. The first demo for 'GeneRick' was releaseed in 1999 or 2000.

You're right about Frog Feast though, it's an experiment with the goal to port it to as many exotic consoles as possible and release the source code for each port. The next step is to use the experience gained for a bigger scale project.

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Originally Posted by Melf

Beggar Prince required a lot more work than those other games you mentioned. It wasn't done by one guy on a Mac over the weekend.

If I recall correctly, Frog Feast was an exercise in porting to multiple consoles, no? It wasn't supposed to be a big seller or anything.

I don't know enough about the other two to comment, but I can safely say that BP was a big project for a small developer, and Legend of Wukong is even more ambitious in scope.

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PRESICESLY MY POINT! That is all our beloved black console has seen in the last ten years and pier solar is the first 100% new game and that has required more work than porting or updating something (although SFT are doing amazingly great work) and they're the first to do it!

THEN I SHALL PREORDER TEN COPIES!

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