Pier Solar: Official Thread

Everyone has the option of getting a refund. Otherwise you'll just have to put up with waiting. I don't agree with how things have gone at ALL, but you have to take into consideration that they also lost an artist who had done tons of work for them, and had to spend awhile redoing all of it since they couldn't claim rights to it anymore. That's how I understand it at least.

If it's this much a concern to people why don't you just get a refund and then pay again once the game is finally out? There's not much point in nitpicking in getting no updates. Especially since they're generous enough to offer refunds, there isn't much more of an argument left I think. And don't forget that any sort of deadline would probably meet the same fate as previous ones. There's just no telling how much work it needs until they get it to where they want it. And it is their project after all..

I'm mostly with people(even as a part of the team) that it's ridiculous how things have turned out, not too professional. But it's too late to turn back for them now, might as well just keep on going until it reaches the quality they want and get your money back in the meanwhile if it's that much a worry.

I forgot to say this, but I also think at this point it'd be a wise decision to not accept any orders at all anymore until the game is released. Those who pre-ordered already secured theirs, with how things are going it'd probably look better to not be asking for money still for a product that's got an indefinite release date. Just my opinion :P

I want to know who that artist was so I can kick his ass. Is he a member of this forum? If so, let me know and I will BAN him! Yeah, I'm way hardcore like that, definitely a take-no-prisoners kind of guy.

Thats why your my Favorite Moderator :ok:

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I THINK they gave the name of the guy once before somewhere, I don't remember for sure. How much of the games work he did exactly is still unclear too. Any chance we can know? :)

Updated: Our final beta candidate is ready. All we have left to do is some tuning, implementation of a few assets and dropping in our translated script. And bug fixing. Oh lordy.

All the details can be found at www.piersolar.com

Also the date of the post is wrong. Dunno why.

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Originally Posted by Wolfrider

Updated: Our final beta candidate is ready. All we have left to do is some tuning, implementation of a few assets and dropping in our translated script. And bug fixing. Oh lordy.

All the details can be found at www.piersolar.com

Also the date of the post is wrong. Dunno why.

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It should be the "27/10/09" update, it was mentioned here by Zebbe.

Bug fixing is always fun. The game must be played through its entirety several times by everyone. When a bug is fixed, it can introduce another as a result. I used to be a game tester. It's not as exciting as it sounds.

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

I want to know who that artist was so I can kick his ass. Is he a member of this forum? If so, let me know and I will BAN him! Yeah, I'm way hardcore like that, definitely a take-no-prisoners kind of guy.

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I THINK they gave the name of the guy once before somewhere, I don't remember for sure. How much of the games work he did exactly is still unclear too. Any chance we can know? :)

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I can't remember exactly who it is, but I think he used to post on the official PierSolar.com board, he probably even posted here too. Once, I think he posted a link to either his photobucket or deviantart webpage, his artwork seemed decent enough.

Who knows why he didn't sign the agreement the rest of the team signed? He probably had his reasons.

I remember reading the update last year, saying a graphic designer left the team and they lost about a years worth of his artwork. In retrospect, that now seems like it was probably a significant cause of at least some of Pier Solar's long delay.

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See, this bothers me. You can't hide behind the "we're not professionals. We only do this part time" excuse when you've already taken people's money. If you're making a game and have no idea when it will be done, you don't charge people ahead of time for it. That way, you owe nothing to no one and are under no pressure.

However, when you tell people to pre-order or lose out and then take their money, you no longer have the luxury of working under a relaxed schedule. People have already paid (in full) for a product, and you owe them. I know the circumstances under which this game is being produced, and I have every reason to believe that it will be released and be great. I just don't think you can hide behind the amateur facade when you're charging people like you're a company. You took their money? You have to deal with their feedback.

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The whole "It's an indie game, it's an investment, show your support, they're not professionals" argument is irrelevant. They already have our money at a full priced pre-order, how is that not the ultimate support?

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In my opinion, the argument about the fact they are a non-professional team is a valid argument in the sense that it was explicitely part of the deal when I choose to preorder the game. Nobody fooled me about the product and what I get when preordering, I did it to ensure I would have a copy from a logically limited run, not to ensure I will get faster release dates or more professional marketting.

Now I can understand that people had different reasons and expectations when sending their money and are feeling quite frustrated now but again, WM did not made any mysteries about how it was going to be handled and you would have been very naive to think such project (and a first project especially) does not end with serious delays, may they come from mistakes or unexpected issues like someone dropping the project.

This probably comes from misunderstanding from one side and lack of communications from the other side but really, even in that case, solutions are easy: if you feel like you have been spoiled, ask for a refund and if you think this is taking too much time, find something else in your life to get your hopes on until it is released, there isn't really much sense in such drama and bitterness...

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

I want to know who that artist was so I can kick his ass. Is he a member of this forum? If so, let me know and I will BAN him! Yeah, I'm way hardcore like that, definitely a take-no-prisoners kind of guy.

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It's easy to blame the guy, but there's two sides (and three languages) involved.

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Originally Posted by Eke-Eke

In my opinion, the argument about the fact they are a non-professional team is a valid argument in the sense that it was explicitely part of the deal when I choose to preorder the game. Nobody fooled me about the product and what I get when preordering, I did it to ensure I would have a copy from a logically limited run, not to ensure I will get faster release dates or more professional marketting.

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No one did, because no one thought that the game still wouldn't have been released a year later. How many people would have still preordered had they known? I'm sure most people assumed that since pre-orders were being taken, a release was soon coming.

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Now I can understand that people had different reasons and expectations when sending their money and are feeling quite frustrated now but again, WM did not made any mysteries about how it was going to be handled and you would have been very naive to think such project (and a first project especially) does not end with serious delays, may they come from mistakes or unexpected issues like someone dropping the project.

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I have no problem at all with the actual development process of the game, as I know full well what goes into such a process. You cannot, however, deny that WM did a poor job on the marketing side of things, which is completely separate from game development. That's the issue people have, not the bug testing or loss of assets. The game is being done by people who aren't professionals and who are doing it in their free time. However, that's not the way it was marketed. That's the problem.

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This probably comes from misunderstanding from one side and lack of communications from the other side but really, even in that case, solutions are easy: if you feel like you have been spoiled, ask for a refund and if you think this is taking too much time, find something else in your life to get your hopes on until it is released, there isn't really much sense in such drama and bitterness...

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I think wanting to know the progress of something you paid for a year ago is a valid reason for "drama" and "bitterness" by some people. Personally, I have no worries about the money I spent, and I'm not bitching about the delays. I'm simply pointing out that people who are bitching have a valid reason to do so. You don't ask for people's money and then get upset when they want to know why it's taking so long.

If you want to make up for the lousy way you've handled things thus far you should allow access to the beta to those who've pre-ordered - you'll get a bunch of willing grunts to test for you (as well as some good karma) and those who pre-ordered might get some assurance that they haven't flushed their money down the toilet.

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However, that's not the way it was marketed. That's the problem.

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yes, and I see this is the main reason why people opinions differs on that matter; Personnally, i've never felt it was marketed that way and I'm quite sure it was not their intention to do so, but I can understand that people feel pissed if they saw it like this.

Still, even if people have legit rights to complain, at the end, there isn't much more to do than either wait or ask for a refund, I don't really see the point at continuously bitching against them like some people are doing in this thread as if they were on a personal crusade, this brings nothing but useless drama, that's just what I wanted to point out :?

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If you want to make up for the lousy way you've handled things thus far you should allow access to the beta to those who've pre-ordered - you'll get a bunch of willing grunts to test for you (as well as some good karma) and those who pre-ordered might get some assurance that they haven't flushed their money down the toilet.

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This is quite as impossible as releasing the game yesterday. Modern emulators aren't
supposed to support advanced features that Pier Solar is using. At least it is, what WM is
telling us. And releasing a beta on cartridges to ALL who have preordered... what do you
want, two separate runs? I assume we will have to pay then two times separately, one time
for the beta and one time again, when the final game comes out.

The only serious way would be programming new features into Fusion (or making a new,
Pier Solar specific emulator from scratch). Is this really a good idea? Are you willing to help
them out on this?

Honestly, why can't just everyone wait? Complaining won't do a thing. I don't get why
everyone is so pissed of.

Is there a time frame on which the allowance of preorders will stop? I don't see myself being capable of preordering before Christmas, and honestly, it'd be a kick in my (if not many other teenagers relying on Chirstmas money) if the preorders are cancelled before then.