Pier Solar: Official Thread

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Originally Posted by username

What makes you think it would be realistic, though? They've already proved that they're wildly optimistic at best and totally clueless at worst; any new date would be as baseless and pie-in-the-sky as the last one and won't hold them to anything. Talk is cheap.

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A realistic release date means one that gives ample time to bug test on their own. I don't care if it gets pushed, as long as we get an honest update and a detailed explanation of the game-breaking bug.

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Originally Posted by username

They wouldn't have to rework anything - for the purposes of accurate bug-testing, maybe, but it didn't stop them from releasing that initial demo, did it? If they're worried about it leaking then they can just drop a unique code in the header of every ROM or something so that, in the event that it does leak, they'll know exactly who leaked it and can cancel their pre-order or something. No-one's going to hack any locked content from the ROM because the few people with the patience to do it in the Megadrive scene are the ones working on the game.

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Leaking a game, to lose a pre-order? How is that punishment, I'm sure an aftermarket for the game will suffice, & throwing a bounty up to leak it for 35 bucks at minimum would undoubtedly be met by many 'generous' retro gamers. All it takes is 1 to leak it. Why risk it? To appease impatient fucktards who have no vested effort in the project?

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Face it, the majority of pre-orders have come from people caught up in the novelty of a new game for the Megadrive, with no basis in objectivity or even taste. This game will not sell on other platforms and they are going to have trouble even selling it on this one if they can't assure people that progress is being made.

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The demo surely played a part in influencing sales, and you have no way of determining the profitability of other platforms.

I may be one to drop sarcasm & 'legitimate' complaints here, but you're the only person to actually troll in this thread. (In recent discussions.)
Repeating established concerns without meaningful points to be made, aside from absurd self-defeating solutions. You repeatedly make quips about 'a lack of objectivity and bad taste' on the part of the consumer for a product you can't judge rationally yet.

Did you even pre-order it? Or are you letting your pompous-ass, art-&-market-expert persona get in the way of dropping 35 bucks on it?

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

A realistic release date means one that gives ample time to bug test on their own. I don't care if it gets pushed, as long as we get an honest update and a detailed explanation of the game-breaking bug.

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I wouldn't hold your breath. Do you think the guy who writes their updates these days knows any more than we do? Odds are he's just paraphrasing what little the actual devs reveal to him.

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

Leaking a game, to lose a pre-order? How is that punishment, I'm sure an aftermarket for the game will suffice, & throwing a bounty up to leak it for 35 bucks at minimum would undoubtedly be met by many 'generous' retro gamers. All it takes is 1 to leak it. Why risk it? To appease impatient fucktards who have no vested effort in the project?

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I do have a vested interest in this game doing well - I'm developing a Megadrive game of my own, the future of which hinges on the eventual outcome of/reaction to the Pier Solar release. Anyway, you're arguing under the assumption that this beta would essentially be a buggy version of the full game, which wouldn't necessarily need to be the case - there are very simple ways to lock off most of the content if they so chose. Ultimately I think a leak of the completed product would do more for sales than anything the Pier Solar team had said or displayed thus far - like I said, the actual gameplay is secondary to the fact that it's being developed for a dead console, so the size of the paying audience is linked almost solely to exposure, not critical reception.

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

The demo surely played a part in influencing sales, and you have no way of determining the profitability of other platforms.

I may be one to drop sarcasm & 'legitimate' complaints here, but you're the only person to actually troll in this thread. (In recent discussions.)
Repeating established concerns without meaningful points to be made, aside from absurd self-defeating solutions. You repeatedly make quips about 'a lack of objectivity and bad taste' on the part of the consumer for a product you can't judge rationally yet.

Did you even pre-order it? Or are you letting your pompous-ass, art-&-market-expert persona get in the way of dropping 35 bucks on it?

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First off, I'm not trolling. Secondly, I have no reason to believe that things have changed drastically from the demo (maybe I would if they bothered to give meaningful updates, but that's hardly my fault, is it?). Thirdly, have you seen the mockery and derision this project receives outside of retro-gamer cliques? If this game were ported to any other current platform still looking, sounding or playing like the demo does (and again, there's currently no reason to think the final product is really much different) it would bomb spectacularly and not even retro nostalgia would save it. Finally, no, I have not pre-ordered because I don't see sense in putting my faith in an ugly, clunky demo and a team that can't give a decent answer to a question.

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Originally Posted by username

I do have a vested interest in this game doing well - I'm developing a Megadrive game of my own, the future of which hinges on the eventual outcome of/reaction to the Pier Solar release.

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If this is the case why are you looking at Pier Solar as the bee all and end all for your game to come into fruition? There are other companies involved in MD releases and quite a successful one. Although some are still a re-release of MD titles that never saw the time of day outside China the likes of Beggar Prince and Legend of Wukong can't be ignored. Both have been quite successful and the team are working on other future games in fact I've seen both games available on sale at various Retro gaming events I've attended in the UK so it's a matter of marketing. I don't see them referring to PS being a business model.

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Originally Posted by username

I wouldn't hold your breath. Do you think the guy who writes their updates these days knows any more than we do? Odds are he's just paraphrasing what little the actual devs reveal to him.

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The last update was written by Tulio. Your point is moot "these days."

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Originally Posted by username

I do have a vested interest in this game doing well - I'm developing a Megadrive game of my own, the future of which hinges on the eventual outcome of/reaction to the Pier Solar release.

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Sure, set yourself up for a delusional expectation that 'Your Project' is tied to Pier Solar's reception. Having no faith in the consumer's ability to choose a good product is bad enough, but to let that justify an ignorance to making your own work 'worth buying' in the first place is pathetic.

So your interest in Pier Solar is based on how indifferent you are to the market & how well you can masquerade 'crap or awesomeness' as marketable, without some form of effort on your part?

Seriously, what you've said makes no sense other to insult the intelligence of everybody in the retro scene.

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Originally Posted by username

Anyway, you're arguing under the assumption that this beta would essentially be a buggy version of the full game, which wouldn't necessarily need to be the case - there are very simple ways to lock off most of the content if they so chose. Ultimately I think a leak of the completed product would do more for sales than anything the Pier Solar team had said or displayed thus far - like I said, the actual gameplay is secondary to the fact that it's being developed for a dead console, so the size of the paying audience is linked almost solely to exposure, not critical reception.

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It would be linked to critical reception upon prospective release for a different platform, an idea you can't wrap your mind around without assuming too much about the stupidity of consumers.

How would releasing a rom benefit them? Even if had it's content effectively locked up, it could potentially be 'unlocked' in a fraction of the development time & would devalue it's future exponentially.

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Originally Posted by username

First off, I'm not trolling. Secondly, I have no reason to believe that things have changed drastically from the demo (maybe I would if they bothered to give meaningful updates, but that's hardly my fault, is it?). Thirdly, have you seen the mockery and derision this project receives outside of retro-gamer cliques?

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First off. You are trolling, by injecting a personal gain while repeating unrealistic & detrimental suggestions to the project's core 'mission statement' from Day-1.

Secondly. You're presenting legitimate concerns again to pad an argument against something you have no interest in outside of some leeching delusion with marketing your own project.

Thirdly, show us links to examples. Even though you're baiting for a typical response:

"Oh no! A select few individuals on the internet are whining about something! I *MUST* forfeit all logic & reason to abandon this project, and join their cause by drinking their kool-aid & rolling their snowball so it gets bigger!" :roll:

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Originally Posted by username

If this game were ported to any other current platform still looking, sounding or playing like the demo does (and again, there's currently no reason to think the final product is really much different) it would bomb spectacularly and not even retro nostalgia would save it.

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As far as that gos, once finished & sold digitally, there's little stopping it from pulling in 'profit'.
Weather it would sell like Madden or not would be the measurement of choice if one were to support your argument infallibly. Otherwise, you're assuming too much for 'a possible idea.'

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Originally Posted by username

Finally, no, I have not pre-ordered because I don't see sense in putting my faith in an ugly, clunky demo and a team that can't give a decent answer to a question.

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So, you would rather troll here? Carrying the misconceptions & rhetoric farther, rather than ask legitimate questions?
You would rather lurk and QQ in a thread where others 'are' asking questions to clarify the 'common ground' that you share with them as far as concerns go?

There's nothing 'constructive' about your criticism outside of your own agenda.(as absurd as it is) It doesn't benefit those who bought PS already.

I just registered so I could tell Watermelon. Well done in keeping the Sega dream alive.
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They've been working on it for like 4 years and who cares if it takes another 4?

At the end of the day, anyone who complained about missing/lack of release dates will turn around and say words to the effect "well worth the wait, i never lost faith in ya, will you make another run of carts"

Yes Ive preordered it, the engraved version too, and the fact im paying only $50 for a game that only a handful of ppl are undertaking (in their own free time without pay) the work and effort that 50 ppl would be doing as a paid full time job is pretty much act of retro sega charity on their behalf.

Well done watermelon, Sega uber alles!

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Originally Posted by Panzer

I just registered so I could tell Watermelon. Well done in keeping the Sega dream alive.
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They've been working on it for like 4 years and who cares if it takes another 4?

At the end of the day, anyone who complained about missing/lack of release dates will turn around and say words to the effect "well worth the wait, i never lost faith in ya, will you make another run of carts"

Yes Ive preordered it, the engraved version too, and the fact im paying only $50 for a game that only a handful of ppl are undertaking (in their own free time without pay) the work and effort that 50 ppl would be doing as a paid full time job is pretty much act of retro sega charity on their behalf.

Well done watermelon, Sega uber alles!

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I agree. It's just a game, and it takes a lot of time considering it's just a few people rather than a whole company.

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Originally Posted by Panzer

and who cares if it takes another 4?

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I WOULD :?

Now had i not been forced to pre-order then i wouldn't care, but with their whole "lol u no pre-order? THEN NO GAME FOR U" mentality one pretty much had to.

Maybe because you are 12 years old you don't care about another 4 years,
but in the real world a lot can happen in 4 years, people move, people die, people change.

I'm pretty sure if it took another 4 years, then a lot of people would one day
get Pier Solar dropped on their doormat while they don't even have a Sega anymore.

or a mom who gets a package for her son, even though he died in a car accident 1 year prior.

times change, thats why an 8 year pre-order would be a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

I WOULD :?

Now had i not been forced to pre-order then i wouldn't care, but with their whole "lol u no pre-order? THEN NO GAME FOR U" mentality one pretty much had to.

Maybe because you are 12 years old you don't care about another 4 years,
but in the real world a lot can happen in 4 years, people move, people die, people change.

I'm pretty sure if it took another 4 years, then a lot of people would one day
get Pier Solar dropped on their doormat while they don't even have a Sega anymore.

or a mom who gets a package for her son, even though he died in a car accident 1 year prior.

times change, thats why an 8 year pre-order would be a bad thing.

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I completely disagree with you 100%. It's the other way around - the older you are, the less important an 8 year pre-order seems. To a young person, 4 years seems to be an eternity, and $40 an enormous sum. To a 40 year-old, 4 years is almost nothing, and $40 is less than we spend on going to the movies once. I could care less about the money the pre-order cost me. If they disappeared tomorrow, I would grumble a bit, but that's it. To a teen, they'd swear vengeance on behalf of their beloved treasure ($40), vowing to track the culprits to the ends of the Earth.

I hope it takes another 4 years because that would be really funny.

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

To a teen, they'd swear vengeance on behalf of their beloved treasure ($40), vowing to track the culprits to the ends of the Earth.

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hahaha, you're right.. I totally forgot that, while i felt just like that when i was a teen.

Ok so maybe 4 years is nothing, but I'd still be pissed that the pre-order couldn't have just started around year 7 then.

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

hahaha, you're right.. I totally forgot that, while i felt just like that when i was a teen.

Ok so maybe 4 years is nothing, but I'd still be pissed that the pre-order couldn't have just started around year 7 then.

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:)

I would probably have forgotten all about it. One day, Pier Solar would turn up in the mail box and I'd be scratching my head - "What the heck is this thing? I don't remember ordering this!" :D

And thats exactly what i was originally trying to say, if it takes that long the game will have lost its charm.

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

Maybe because you are 12 years old you don't care about another 4 years,
but in the real world a lot can happen in 4 years, people move, people die, people change.

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Well it was only a figure of speech to illustrate my point.

If you are so fed up about their methods of purchasing the game, then get a refund? Don’t get the game and don’t complain.

If you feel you are going to die, move on, etc between now and when it gets released. Then well Pier Solar shouldn’t really be on your list of concerns?

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Originally Posted by Panzer

If you are so fed up about their methods of purchasing the game,
then get a refund? Don’t get the game and don’t complain.

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aaaaaaaw look at this, another "THEN DON'T GET THE GAME" post.

The reason i pre-ordered is because I want it, but i don't plan to wait 4 years for it.

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Originally Posted by Panzer

Well it was only a figure of speech to illustrate my point.

If you are so fed up about their methods of purchasing the game, then get a refund? Don’t get the game and don’t complain.

If you feel you are going to die, move on, etc between now and when it gets released. Then well Pier Solar shouldn’t really be on your list of concerns?

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This argument fails against all logic pertaining to 'Legitimate complaining' by someone purchasing something, as if 'The complaining was the problem.'

There is a long list of reasons for the arguments going forward regularly here. One being the 'necessity' for pre-ordering a copy to get one at all.

An issue, not just for removing the 'wait and see' option, but also with having no expectations for a 'Final Beta' and barely any official information outside of being criticized, or called trolls. The whole project backfired already.

Sure the faithful can piss & moan about the hopeful non-believers as far as the status gos, by writing them off such as you are. That doesn't answer the questions, or salvage anybody from a dead hype surrounding a 'fully paid for pre-order that's years overdue.' which is continuously being pumped by the developers while they ignore basic expectation.