Overrated Mario Games (Platformers)

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Originally Posted by j_factor

N64 fans tend to be hyperbolic in their praise. I've enjoyed a decent number of N64 games, but I just don't love them enough. You're required to think Ocarina of Time is a flawless masterpiece, otherwise you're shitting on it.

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Now try stating that the Saturn library is overall much better. A guaranteed shit storm of epic proportions will take place in no time :)

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

How can Super Mario Land 2 be overrated when people barely talk about it? Unlike all the other classic Marios it didn't get a single port. It's the only b&w gameboy game I still play, and will likely keep playing.

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+1 for Mario Land 2. One of the few handheld games that I consider a must have. Also, if you can drawn a parallel between the plethora of Mario hacks that exists for the NES/Super NES with their popularity and considering the lack of attention that ML2 receives, aside from a much welcomed color hack, I think that a natural conclusion is that this game is everything but overrated.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

I just want to say I'm happy that SMB3 didn't get a single vote. That game is very highly rated, but it also deserves all of it.
I would also say SMB2 (not on the list) is underrated, lots of stupid comments on how it's "not mario", which is technically true, but the game is excellent.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

On that note, I don't see how Mario World is in the lead here. It takes the formula from Mario 1 & 3, adds a heavy dosage of exploration, and streamlines the power-up system. Yes, Mario 3 had more power-ups, but let's get real foks: the only power-ups that really mattered were the fire flower and the raccoon tail. The tanooki suit was a purely aesthetic upgrade over the standard "leaf" power-up (I'll call you a liar if you try to tell me that the statue ability was all that useful). The frog suit was beneficial in what, maybe 15% of the levels? The hammer bros suit was awesome, but it was only available once or twice through the game.

And someone back there complained about the music in Super Mario World all being the same... well, that's pretty much every Mario game up to that point. Mario 1 had 3 main music tracks. Mario 2 had 2. Mario 3 had... 5 or 6 (Overworld, Athletic, Underworld, Fortress, Airship... am I missing any?). Mario World's soundtrack may not be amazing, but it's not like any of the other games had more variety.

I can't change my official vote, but I think Super Mario Land 2 is the most overrated game in the Mario series rather than my original choice of Mario 64.

The results here are interesting, but of the 29 people who voted here, how many of them like Mario games period?


I think an "overrated Zelda game" thread would be more interesting, as there's PLENTY of those out there. Plus it has the added benefit of not being in direct competition with the mascot of a certain now-defunct 90's console manufacturer.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

Because it came up in this thread, really. If I wanted to be petty and waste my time, I'd risk poking my head into the NintendoAge forums, where a "Best Mario Game???" poll thread pops up pretty regularly (I'm sure).

Real talk: even though I wouldn't list it as my favorite series, I've played and completed every core Mario game that Nintendo has come out with (I'm excluding the Paper Mario/Mario & Luigi series, even though I've played a fair number of those, too). Although only a few of them "wowed" me, only two of them disappointed me; Mario Land 2 and NSMB2

I mean no disrespect. In fact I rarely disagree with you. But Super Mario Land 2 has every flaw that Mario World is being accused of, only moreso.


Correction: There's one "Mario" game I've never played, and that's Yoshi's Island.

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What flaws? The only thing I'd complain about Mario Land 2 is a few levels and that's it. It expanded beyond what the first Mario Land had.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

On that note, I don't see how Mario World is in the lead here. It takes the formula from Mario 1 & 3, adds a heavy dosage of exploration, and streamlines the power-up system. Yes, Mario 3 had more power-ups, but let's get real foks: the only power-ups that really mattered were the fire flower and the raccoon tail. The tanooki suit was a purely aesthetic upgrade over the standard "leaf" power-up (I'll call you a liar if you try to tell me that the statue ability was all that useful). The frog suit was beneficial in what, maybe 15% of the levels? The hammer bros suit was awesome, but it was only available once or twice through the game.

And someone back there complained about the music in Super Mario World all being the same... well, that's pretty much every Mario game up to that point. Mario 1 had 3 main music tracks. Mario 2 had 2. Mario 3 had... 5 or 6 (Overworld, Athletic, Underworld, Fortress, Airship... am I missing any?). Mario World's soundtrack may not be amazing, but it's not like any of the other games had more variety.

I can't change my official vote, but I think Super Mario Land 2 is the most overrated game in the Mario series rather than my original choice of Mario 64.

The results here are interesting, but of the 29 people who voted here, how many of them like Mario games period?


I think an "overrated Zelda game" thread would be more interesting, as there's PLENTY of those out there. Plus it has the added benefit of not being in direct competition with the mascot of a certain now-defunct 90's console manufacturer.

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I think this thread may have gotten started as a counterdiscoursive argument to the whole "Sonic was never good" bs that resurfaced upon Mania's release.

At the end of the day, Sonic was and is great. Mario was and is great. Zelda was and is great.

P.S.> Even in my answer I don't state Galaxy as overrated. Just that I couldn't get into it. But if I could take my vote back, I also would. It's still a couple of games I really want to play through one day.

P.S.S.> I have not beaten it, but Super Mario World is fantastic!

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Originally Posted by sull56ivan2010

What flaws? The only thing I'd complain about Mario Land 2 is a few levels and that's it. It expanded beyond what the first Mario Land had.

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The sluggish, floaty controls is what I disliked the most. The Console Envy is my other primary complaint. The original Mario Land was kind of an homage to the original SMB, but it added just enough new stuff to make it feel like a new game ... like some kind of bizarro world that Mario fell into. Super Mario Land 2 felt more like they wanted a straight port of Mario World, but they couldn't quite pull it off. The bunny ears power-up was a lame, lame analog to the raccoon tail or the cape. The music was quite poor, particularly in comparison to Super Mario Land. And it was totally devoid of challenge until you got to Wario's Castle.

If you take those flaws out of Super Mario Land 2, you actually do have a pretty fun game. They even released it, it was Super Mario Land 3.

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Originally Posted by sull56ivan2010

people want a true 64 sequel

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I've heard this said before, and it baffles me. What would this game be like, do you think?

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Now try stating that the Saturn library is overall much better. A guaranteed shit storm of epic proportions will take place in no time**

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We already went through and quantified it in the discussion of that N64 vs Saturn article done for an N64 site. The Saturn library is much larger, has much greater variety of genres, experiences (online & 10 player gameplay, mouse, lightgun, twin stick, etc gameplay) and at least as many "gold" 2D games as the N64 has "gold" games in general, before you even look at 3D Saturn games.

It's nothing against the N64, it just wound up with the library that it did.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

We already went through and quantified it in the discussion of that N64 vs Saturn article done for an N64 site.

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My comment was simply a lighthearted complement to j_factor's post about the nature of N64 fanboys.
I think that pretty much everyone around here knows that Saturn>N64, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to give it this sort of reply, but fine.

Also, don't you dare to remove the emoji out of my sentences again.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

Super Mario Land 2 felt more like they wanted a straight port of Mario World, but they couldn't quite pull it off. The bunny ears power-up was a lame, lame analog to the raccoon tail or the cape. The music was quite poor, particularly in comparison to Super Mario Land. And it was totally devoid of challenge until you got to Wario's Castle.

If you take those flaws out of Super Mario Land 2, you actually do have a pretty fun game. They even released it, it was Super Mario Land 3.

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I'm not going to disagree about the music or the lack of challenge, it is a pretty darn easy game and I can't remember a single song off of it. I do disagree that the flaws it has matter all that much. Every Mario game has sluggish floaty controls, and the bunny ears were a much needed nerf to the flying power IMO.

You are very right however, that WARIO LAND 1 is a better game ;)

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

You are very right however, that WARIO LAND 1 is a better game ;)

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In the rough draft of that post, I mentioned that it wasn't a "real" Mario game. But by that logic, neither is Yoshi's Island.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

The results here are interesting, but of the 29 people who voted here, how many of them like Mario games period?

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I like most of the series. I didn't really care for the two Game Boy games (though I love the Wario Land series), Super Mario 64, Sunshine, or New Super Mario Bros. DS. I very much enjoyed Super Mario Bros. 2, 3, World, Galaxy, and Galaxy 2. I liked "well enough" Super Mario Bros. 1, 2j, Yoshi's Island, New Super Mario Bros. Wii (it was an improvement IMO), and 3D Land. I haven't played NSMB2 or any of the Wii U games. I dig most of the Mario-related side-series and one-off games, like the Wario games, the later Yoshi games (excluding Yoshi's Story), Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi, Mario vs. Donkey Kong, etc. though I don't care for Mario Kart.

I also like the Giana Sisters series, though the DS one was a bit disappointing. :p

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Originally Posted by sull56ivan2010

As far as Turtles go, no. Because it didn't feel as cheap compared to the other games in the series. Manhattan Project cheapened out by putting barely any health pickups in (first one is in the third level after defeating Slash. Turtles in Time I like, but is a very overrated game on 16-bit consoles. Let's save that for an overrated Turtles games topic if it comes down to that.

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Turtles 3 is great and doesn't need anymore health pickups. I beat that game as a kid with only one life lost on Krang. Git Gud.

I voted Super Mario World and I think it's a good game. It's just overrated.
Even if you consider SNES games only, I find it mind-boggling that it's the #1 "action" game according to Gamefaqs' ranking, for an example.

Gamefaqs continues to be one of the best comedy websites on the interwebs. Their forums are even better, highly recommended.

I really like the entire series up until 64. Never cared for that one, or other 3D platformers in that mold. Haven't played Galaxy enough to comment on it. The later "new series" games are pretty good, with solid level design and mechanics, but the world and visual style is pretty dull and some of the music just annoying.

My favs are SMB3 (SNES), SMW2: Yoshi's Island, and SML3: Wario Land. Donkey Kong (GB, 1994) as well if you want to count that one.

My favorite Super Mario is Donkey Kong Country. It's got jump rolls and great music by David Wise.

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Originally Posted by j_factor

I also like the Giana Sisters series, though the DS one was a bit disappointing. :p

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Crap, that's the only one I have.