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Exactly spot on. I loved the N64 and it was the console to own if one liked FPS. I love the Saturn, but it really came up short for 3D platformers. So I was than happy to own both the Saturn and N64 at the time, while my brother had a PS and I was vetoing the PSQuote:
Originally Posted by Blades
Dunno what you guys are on about.
I'm 35, grew up with Master System, SNES, Mega Drive and Game Boy. N64 is still my favorite system. I suppose being a fan of exploring big, sandbox-like 3D environments and also a huge fan of FPS games helped. Couldn't care less about anime inspired RPGs, 3D fighting games and fancy FMVs. And i always sucked at 2D shmups so i didn't care about those either. For actual RPGs and strategy games i had a semi decent PC. The only gap for me on the N64 was the lack of a Metroid game or 2D exploration/Metroidvania games like SOTN.
But that period was the best era in gaming for me. Starcraft, Dungeon Keeper, Mario 64, Zelda OOT, Goldeneye, F-Zero X, Banjo-Kazooie, etc. The majority of my top 10 games of all time right there. The only game on the PS1 i would add in this list is SOTN.
Spoken like a true Nintendo fan :) . I agree with you on the FPS, but the system was truly lacking for 3D and 2D fighters, it wasn't the best system for sports games, it had next to no shooters, it had zero Gun games (and I loved them back in the day) its was also rubbish for mech games and also Arcade ports and back in the 90s, I loved the Arcades.
Why on earth would you want to play the worst version of Starcraft? You even said you had a decent PC back then so again why bother with that rubbish port?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
And it's not just anime inspired RPGs or 3D Fighting games. The system is completely lacking in RPGs period. I wouldn't really consider Final Fantasy, Shining Force, Panzer Dragoon Saga, etc. to be anime inspired. Same goes for Fighters. The system is severely lacking in both 2D and 3D fighters. When the best 2D fighting game on your system is a mediocre port of Mortal Kombat Trilogy and the best 3D Fighter a port of Mortal Kombat 4, you have a problem.
"An open world with vast amounts of nothing" is a good way to describe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
ocarina of time featured huge empty zones with nothing to do. compare that to shenmue, which was released just a year later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
I only liked goldeneye for multiplayer and the wrestling games. I couldn't for the life of me name 3 AAA titles for that system. probably not even 1. but by all means please try.
Banjo-Kazooie, Mario Kart 64. Did you even try the system at all? So much hate for the 64. I wouldn't put it above PlayStation, but I'd think its not that bad. Underrated at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
I found both games to be vastly overrated and boring to play. Still, at least Shenmue was trying to push the genre forward and doing impressive stuff. I found Saga way better to play and a much better RPG than Zelda.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
I could give you mario kart 64. that one was fun. banjo-kazooie not for me though.Quote:
Originally Posted by sull56ivan2010
Maybe why I've never revisited this game since that X-Mas day. But it sure was something going from memory, of which is basically Hyrule fields and Kakariko Village. All I remember of dungeons is brown close up texture blur.Quote:
Originally Posted by JCU
Would like to revisit Majora's Mask, however. The return of the over world tune alone set such good atmosphere for me, not to mention other things such as rolling as the Goran and only 4 dungeons. But yeah, that over world theme and those flower sand type enemies from Zelda 1 being on that over world sure made it feel much more like the Zelda I knew.
you mean shenmue was boring?Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
I agree on saga. that one was far more impressive and innovative than zelda, which was released nearly a full year later. saga had production values unlike any other game until shenmue. the game cost 45 million dollar to make and it showed. also saga was unlike any other jrpg, without a party, the entire game voiced, innovative and diverse ways of moving (dragon flight, walking), a battle system still unique to this day blending real time, turn based and strategy rpg into one and above all: a storyline with an ending so good it pushes scientific boundaries of today in terms of quantum mechanics.
Dull as dishwater, so boring to play and when it did get going the game ended. The sequel was much, much better though. Saga pushed RPG's to a new level on the 32 bit systems. Time of day lighting, fully 3D worlds, a unique battle system, a morphing system, full voice acting for the all the characters (mind you Saturn Magic Knight Rayearth and Mega CD Popfulmail did that 1st) In almost every aera a far better RPG than ZeldaQuote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
Bah, come on guys, Saga has to be overrated a little bit. Shouldn't really be talking as I've lost interest at start of 4th final disk, but that's just it. The fact I made it that far and didn't go on just makes me question it's hype. Still hope to revisit it, because well, as a Saturn and Sega fan it makes me obligated too.
Not to me, but all games are subjective. I also think Saga length was perfect at around 20 hrs or so, I love Skies of Arcadia, but I really was glad to finish the game as it went on for too long and began to grate for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Thief
skies of arcadia is incredibly long, yet somehow I was hooked from beginning till end and I still play it all the way every few years. that's a testament to how nearly perfect skies of arcadia is for me.
I think the absolute high point for saga was the storyline and for that you had to finish the game and also played and finished first panzer dragoon and zwei. I was so thrown off by the ending at first until I understood it. I left me hanging for days thinking about it all the time. ico did a similar thing.
Being new doesn't necessarily make something and that's why I feel OOT was and still is placed on such a high pedestal. The game has nothing on ALTTP but it is the first foray into 3D so the first of anything is well remembered and thought of highly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
Its too long, its like Grandia. Both are ace, both capture the sense and spirit of adventure perfectly, but both for me went on for far too long. I like the 20 hrs RPG like Lunar and Panzer. That allows me to play other games and also clearly remember the story line and what I need to do next when I go back to them. I don't like to play just one game a week, but a number of themQuote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
I'm with you, that's why I can't stand to finish almost any final fantasy game, yet somehow I was never bored with skies of arcadia. it's like the only super long rpg (except the strategy games like shining force 3) that I can play for 70 hours and be intensely entertained. a lot of it has to do with the fact it's like a sandbox exploring rpg. I could never get bored with games like skyrim, fallout and gta either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
What is an RPG that isn't 'anime-inspired?' As far as I know all of them are, in some way or another.
Thought Shining in the Darkness and Force looked more like old Disney inspired art then Anime.
http://fantasyanime.com/shiningforce...fart-pic02.jpg
Loads, Shenmue for one then you have RPGs like the Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, The Elder Scrolls, Virtual Hydlide, Baroque, Nippon Daihyou Team no Kantoku, D2, Dragon Riders: Chronicles of Pern, Record of Lodoss War (the manga came after the game).Quote:
Originally Posted by Blades
I would add Jade Empire to the list. ;)
Mass Effect, KotOR. ... Still need to play KotOR, what is wrong with me.
Only in the East. The West had RPGs like Knights of the Old Republic, the Baldurs Gate series, Diablo, the Bard's Tale, Dragon Age and Lord of the Rings, just to name a few. AD&D was the point of reference for a lot of these games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blades
I still have vivid memories (nightmares?) of N64 blurriness and ugly textures on old CRT's. It literally hurt my eyes to look at those games. To make it worse, the few buddies that had the systems only used composite connections. I remember running home to the loving embrace of my S-video Saturn and PS1 with their wealth of fighting games and RPG's.
The beauty that is Symphony of the Night, the Metal Slug games, Astal, ect. Those were the days. Too bad that there will probably never be a Saturn Mini. The memories of buying a cheap little CRT that I kept in my barracks locker along with the group versus battles in Alpha 2, Virtua On, an Puzzle Fighter are still amazing memories for me to this day.
Back to the N64, all of the N64 games on the virtual console got some "cleaning up" in terms of the visuals, so I would wager that a mini version would get the same treatment.
Did you read my post? If yes, read it again. I said i had a PC for RPGs and Strategy games. I even mentioned Dungeon Keeper. You think i played that game on the N64 too?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Don't care for any of that. I had a PC so i had the best RPGs and Strategy games. Don't care for Jrpgs, never liked those. I had a SNES and never liked even one of them. Don't care about fighting games either. I only like some old school Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat. As i said, i was into FPS and exploratory games. I was also a huge DOOM fanboy. I already had Doom on PC so there was no reason to play any console version except DOOM 64 which was almost like a true DOOM 3. It was actually the game that made me buy a N64, along with Turok 1. And i was glad i did.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Shenmue was one of the most boring games i ever played. The graphics were nice but they didn't manage to grab me enough to finish the game. OOT was amazing for me. There's only one empty area "with nothing to do". If you actually played the game a bit more you would see that there are plenty of things to do and discover. But whatever, you don't care about my opinion so who cares. Also AAA? Who cares about AAA games? I only care about games that click for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
the whole overworld in ocarina of time is boring beyond belief. in shenmue I could do tons of things all the time and everything was way more fleshed out. compare fighting in shenmue with zelda and the deepness that shenmue features laughs zelda all the way to hell. I could train for hours in a parking lot improving my moves, so that they would actually become different moves with different animations. to this day I've never played a game that did that.
Ocarina of time is not only boring the game makes no sense at all, at times. RPG's for me need a story and a cast of characters that one cares about, Zelda N64 lacks all of them
Then be more clear next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
I bet you would suddenly care about them if the N64 had them in it's library.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
Which again the N64 has next to nothing in this category where as the Saturn and PS1 are overflowing with games in that category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
I am of the opinion that, whatever it was that the N64 did well, the Dreamcast did better.
1. The N64 had anti-aliasing and texture filtering over the PS1. The Dreamcast had greater resolution and improved textures over the PS2.
2. The N64 housed multiplayer with 4 controllers and a split screen. The Dreamcast did the same and used a single screen for network play.
3. The N64 had more 3D games of iconic status from the old franchises. The Dreamcast had 2D titles living up to the mainstream ones in 3D.
4. The N64 was filled with games from its first and second party developers. The Dreamcast won its third party support to go along with SEGA.
With only a little bit from the PS1, but not quite up there in terms of classics, the Dreamcast was my go to system when even up against the Wii, whose peripherals would have stolen me, in case SEGA's weren't much better. The N64 had better be remembered through the 3DS in my opinion.
Who cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Why does it have to be a console pissing contest?
This sort of crap is akin to what ABF would do in threads about PlayStation and Saturn. Do you want to be that guy?
Apparently you do since you're so upset about a simple discussion about the pros and cons of the N64 and it's library.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Who ever said it was? We were discussing the pros and cons of the N64. Naturally it's library will be brought into that discussion, especially when we're discussing what would likely be in a classic style system. Naturally people will discuss the strengths and weaknesses of that library and bring up the gaping holes it has. If someone tries to defend or downplay those weaknesses and holes, naturally the other systems of that generation will be brought up and a discussion will emerge out of it. Don't like it? Then don't participate.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
No, ABF would go into any thread and talk about how the N64 was the second coming of Jesus and ignore every counterargument. This was simply discussing the N64 library in regards to a classic console plug and play release. People tried to downplay some of the harsher criticisms of that library, so the other systems were brought up and a discussion was emerging.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Do you really want to be that guy that cries and throws a fit every time a discussion starts that to get a little heated?
You brought up that discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Again, you brought that up. What was the purpose of that, other than to try to diminish the enjoyment one could have with the N64, despite it missing titles that fit your needs?Quote:
Who ever said it was? We were discussing the pros and cons of the N64. Naturally it's library will be brought into that discussion, especially when we're discussing what would likely be in a classic style system. Naturally people will discuss the strengths and weaknesses of that library and bring up the gaping holes it has. If someone tries to defend or downplay those weaknesses and holes, naturally the other systems of that generation will be brought up and a discussion will emerge out of it. Don't like it? Then don't participate.
Derailing a thread about a console to try to diminish what it has to offer is akin to what ABF often did.Quote:
No, ABF would go into any thread and talk about how the N64 was the second coming of Jesus and ignore every counterargument. This was simply discussing the N64 library in regards to a classic console plug and play release. People tried to downplay some of the harsher criticisms of that library, so the other systems were brought up and a discussion was emerging.
You were beating the drum about how great the Wii U was, but once a bunch of people started pointing out the gaps in it's library, you seemed to try to deflect that by over-rating games that weren't the greatest thing you made them out to be. I'll bring up Xenoblade Chronicles X as a shining example.
I'm a grown man. I'm most certainly not acting like a man child over a video game console.Quote:
Do you really want to be that guy that cries and throws a fit every time a discussion starts that to get a little heated?
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Originally Posted by BonusKun
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Originally Posted by Blades
Agree to all of these points. The N64 was going for a way different market share than the Saturn or the PS1, and even then the Saturn and the PS1 have different enough libraries to warrant owning both. Meanwhile, aside from a few exclusive series (Uncharted, MGS, Halo), it's hard to say what's really out there in terms of differences between the Playstation vs Xbox camp these days aside from some online bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
Nintendo 64: Great for multiplayer games, fun for the whole family. Holds arguably the best 3D platformer
Saturn: Great for 2D Shmups, 2D Platformers, 2D Fighters, Arcade Ports, Baseball games, some RPGs. And of course FMV classics like Minnesota Fats: Pool Legend which is in a class of its own.
Playstation: Great for RPGs, 3D action/platformer games (Spyro, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot, PC ports, Racing games, sports games...and of course Dance Dance Revolution.
The graphics may have not aged well, but the gameplay on all three systems I think still have held up, even though I wasn't a big Playstation fan back in the day.
Funny how I brought up a conversation that was going on for 3 pages before I even chimed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Again, it was going on for 3 pages prior. The rest of your post is irrelevant at this point. If you want to make me the scape goat for every discussion that becomes console X vs console Y on this forum, you might want to double check and see if the conversation was going on before I started posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
the n64 didn't go for a different market share. nintendo were on top of the world and they wanted to keep that so their market share was everyone. they lost miserably though with the n64 and never recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
I was pretty clear so it's not my fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
No, not really. I never cared for these genres. Even now that i have access to every game i want i still don't touch them. Especially JRPGs, they annoy me to no end. I prefer western RPGs and the PC had the best ones. My favorite games are still non-linear FPS, sandbox/exploratory games, strategy games and 3D platformers. I also enjoy racing games from time to time (which N64 had in spades) but there is lack of arcade ones lately. Of course i couldn't enjoy strategy games on a console (neither of them) so that gap was filled on my PC. I guess having a PC helped a lot but honestly, even if i didn't i don't think there would be much of a difference, i would still end up with more N64 games in my collection. You complain about the lack of some genres on the N64 and i agree. The N64 was not nearly as good as the PS1 or even the Saturn as far as quantity is concerned. But not everyone buys all games. For my personal tastes, the N64 was the better choice even though i would usually still recommend a PS1 to a person who just wants to buy a new console.Quote:
I bet you would suddenly care about them if the N64 had them in it's library.
Sure but i don't care that much personally. In 1997 i wasn't in the mood of playing these old-skool games that i already played to death on my Mega Drive or SNES. I bought a "next-gen" console for new experiences that couldn't be done on the older 16-bit consoles.Quote:
Which again the N64 has next to nothing in this category where as the Saturn and PS1 are overflowing with games in that category.
You also claim that you want to discuss about the "pros and cons" but i almost never see you talk about the pros for this particular system in this forum. You (and some others) just always exaggerate about the cons, in the same way ABF exaggerates about the pros. I'm somewhere in the middle and that apparently makes me a fanboy in this forum. Now this should make sense in a forum that's called "Sega-16" but you also claim that you aren't as biased as something like Nintendo Age so...
Nintendo always cared more about the younger audiences. Also, Sony beat them because they marketed games as the next trendy/hip thing for everyone, even non-gamers. Before Playstation, games were this "nerdy" niche hobby that many other people would mock but these same people bought a Playstation because games were hip now. The N64 wasn't a complete failure for a games console, it just looked like it because the PS1 became so mainstream in comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
Anyway, in the topic of a N64 mini, i'm not very excited about it. A N64 without games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark or Banjo-Kazooie is only half of the N64 experience. It's like releasing a PS1 mini without Metal Gear or Final Fantasy 7. Also, the list looks very kids friendly. Something like DOOM 64 (a unique exclusive) or Turok 1 (a popular violent N64 representative) wouldn't hurt. Instead you get Bomberman 64 that wasn't even that prominent for a N64 game.
I'm still interested about the better video output quality and the new, better built classic N64 controllers though.
I'd rather the two Goldeneye games for the Wii and 360 over the Where's Waldo looking entry on the N64. First is not always best.
The original Goldeneye had at least some interesting level designs (Dam, Facility, Bunker, Control, etc). The remake had a good first level and the rest of it was a generic COD clone.