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Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Talmit
Yeah, we've all heard about the controllers, as he most certainly did as well. He got a repaired controller from Atari Age and probably thought that it would last for quite some time. 9 controllers later he ends up buying the expensive Wico stick just so he can play the games. How dare he be disappointed with that.
Talmit, your entire argument seems to hinge purely on the word “disappointing,” and honestly, the problem is 100% on your end. He may not have explicitly used the words “I am disappointed in 5200 because,” but you are being willfully and deliberately dense not to accept the fact that spending money on something is in and of itself an expression of higher-than-average expectations.
It’s obvious that you are an ardent 5200 supporter, which is completely fine. But you’ve been on the internet far too long at this point to have your feathers so ruffled because of a difference of opinion.
Of course my entire point rests on the meaning of disappointment. I have been clear about that since my first post, have I not?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
I've stated from the get-go that I think it is inane to be disappointed with something that is well known to be a problem.
Why is that so hard for gamevet to accept?
I had nothing more to say on the topic after my first post, but gamevet wanted to start a crusade to establish the video has validity. The video is entirely dumb, yet somehow very important to gamevet (and maybe you) to defend.
And since you seem to care, I'll clarify: I've never considered myself an ardent supporter of any game console. I'm not sure why you think something otherwise is "obvious" (more of your hyperbole)? Where did I make a sales pitch for the 5200? I'm not here supporting the 5200. Again, I'm just saying you're a dumbass to be continually disappointed in the controllers.
Were my "feather's ruffled"? From my perspective you are the only one in this thread who was clearly "ruffled".
Again, I've repeatedly stated that it is dumb or ignorant to have ongoing disappointment in something that has been a known issue for 35 years.
You guys can make up plenty of scenarios to support MJ's thought processes, but I simply have some expectation for a content creator to establish and support their subject on their own.
I can't believe we're arguing these semantics but... The word "disappointing" just means he was expecting better in some way. It doesn't mean he thought the 5200 or its controllers would be amazing. I think it's pretty normal when someone says a thing is disappointing to simply state its flaws that they had a problem with. That's what actually disappoints. You don't say you were disappointed by your expectations. What matters is what disappointed, not precisely where his expectations lay. You call his videos vacuous but do you really want to listen to him ramble on about the story of when he got a 5200, who he had talked to about it, what he had and hadn't heard about it, and his inner thought processes that resulted in a particular set of expectations?
Oh lord...Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Talmit
This was entirely my fault. I’ve had enough interactions with you to know better than to engage you in any kind of rational discussion.
*taps out
Back in topic, I’m going to pretend that someone asked me what my most disappointing console is. I can’t say that I’m disappointed in anything in my game room (otherwise, why would I still have it?), but I guess the closest I’d come is the Game Gear. I don’t like the screen, I don’t like the battery life, and I certainly don’t like the glut of poorly-programmed ports from US Gold. I think Sega fell into the same trap that Sony stumbled into years later with the PSP, in that they focused too much of their efforts to make a “handheld console,” without really considering the unique requirements & tastes of handheld gaming.
Regret buying the Game Gear over the GameBoy during my childhood.
I moved on to the Game Gear from owning a Lynx. I was definitely not disappointed. :p
I was lucky enough to have a Game Boy, Game Gear, and Lynx back then. I loved all three to a similar degree but I think the GG often required digging deeper to find the gems. The GB's good games were often mainstream and well known, the Lynx had a smaller library to keep track of and the advantage of having nothing left in Japan.
I always wonder when people are disappointed with the GG, what games they might have missed out on. I think it had the best portable games in some genres (if we ignore the Turbo Express and Nomad).
Any suggestions?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Some good games like the Sonic, Wonder Boy, and Mickey series I would rather play on SMS.
Platformer - Shinobi 1 and 2, Zenki, Chuck Rock 2, Ristar, Coca Cola Kid
Strategy - Shining Force, Royal Stone (translated rom), Crystal Warriors
Shooter - GG Aleste 1 and 2, Galaga '91, Dropzone, Fantasy Zone Gear
Puzzle - Soukoban World, Puyo Puyo 1 and 2, Columns
Run 'n gun - Gunstar Heroes, Robocop vs The Terminator, Alien 3
Ball/Paddle - Devilish, Woody Pop
Fighting - Fatal Fury Special
Only Shining Force worth playing on Game Gear is the final third one with translation patch. The first two are much better on Sega CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
They don't have to be better, they just have to be good.
I didn't know that Galaga 91' was on the GG. How good of a port is it?
Yeah, Shining Force is better on Sega CD but I like playing different versions of games. Galaga's graphically weaker than the arcade and TG16 versions but it plays just as well and has a certain charm of its own. It suits the GG well for quick sessions.
Ramble no, just briefly set up the disappointment, provide some context besides "I was a 2600 kid, the 5200 games really didn't interest me" or whatever he said sure seemed to the contrary of a buildup to disappointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
I though it was pretty simple, I think it's dumb to be disappointed in something that is well known to be an issue. If you're going to make a video about it, at least give some presentation of why you were even interested in the thing in the first place. Some of you guys don't think that's dumb. A couple other people saw it in a similar light as I.
By the way, 9 controllers? how many times do you repeat a mistake before you learn from it?
Yeah, if you can't put up then shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
What is wrong with you?
I'd ask you the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I still have no idea why you went on for multiple posts reiterating that the 5200 controllers are faulty. That was never in dispute.
You're fucked in the head!
The controllers are the reason why the console is a huge disappointment. How does something so simple completely fly over your head?
MJR was pointing out why he is disappointed with the console, yet that isn't good enough for you. So much so, that you resort to calling him dumb for pointing it out. You're a special kind of dumb dude!
C'mon, is that really necessary. Try at least and keep it somewhat civil, guys. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I would keep it civil, but the guy is really being an ass about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thierry Henry
Because, dude, I got over that disappointment 33 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
It's my view that it is dumb to be still be disappointed in it, either get over it, or tackle the issue and pursue one of the many workarounds to correct the controller issue. Why is that a problem for you?
My opinion got you all riled up, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Obviously not, because you can't relate to why he says the console is the most disappointing one he has ever experienced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Talmit
No, I think that your opinion is just so clueless and lacking of any realistic thought.Quote:
My opinion got you all riled up, huh?
You seemed pretty worked up, bud. You and Matthews both.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
That's right, I can't relate to why he says the console is disappointing to him. Why does that bother you?
He says he isn't interested in the library of games, so then what disappointment is there in not being able to play them because of the controller?
Dude, the points both Gamevet and Matthews have been making are legit. Don't take this shit to elementary school levels because you don't want to hear people point out legit arguments of why the 5200 controller ruined what could have been a "decent" console for the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Talmit
You need to just stop trying to argue for the sake of arguing already.
P.S. Don't try and "work me up" either because I don't have any qualms of working my foot up people's asses if this fighting doesn't stop already.
That's not what he had said, but obviously it is above your simple train of thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Talmit
He says that there is no reason to be interested in the system, because pretty much every game in its library can be had on superior hardware, and that includes the 8-bit computers of the day. There is absolutely no reason to pursue buying the 5200, other than nostalgia. The controllers are absolute garbage and any game on the system would be a better experience on the 8-bit computers from Atari and Commodore, and even then, you can get arcade perfect versions of those games on more modern hardware. There isn't any redeeming value in purchasing a 5200. The very fact that the controllers make the experience inferior should be enough of a reason, yet your simple train of thought can't grasp that.
I wouldn't say it's that well known to be an issue. Or rather the particulars aren't. Maybe he just heard that the controllers suck in general and he wasn't aware of how prone they were to breaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Talmit
More cogently, he's just some guy on Youtube responding to a query posted by some guy on Facebook. I don't know why you'd expect anything more than the response he gave. Note the word response, because it's clearly not intended to be an argument. I do think he oversold the topic at the beginning of the video.
That's not what it's been about.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonusKun
I'm in complete agreement "that the 5200 controller ruined what could have been a "decent" console for the time".
"For the time" - key words.
If you want to wag your mod status here how about addressing the personal insult from gamevet?
Oh well, I think it's dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
I already addressed that privately with him and he knows when to take it a step back when asked. I'm not going to take this any further then that so I'm no longer asking but telling you to stop arguing with people. If you or him want to keep this ball rolling then by all means, please test me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Talmit
Great work. Keep it up.
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More cogently, he's just some guy on Youtube responding to a query posted by some guy on Facebook. I don't know why you'd expect anything more than the response he gave. Note the word response, because it's clearly not intended to be an argument. I do think he oversold the topic at the beginning of the video.
Resumed in few words my thought