The Year 2100

Lord, this thread went from shitty to extremely shitty in record time.

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Originally Posted by Chimaera

Lord, this thread went from shitty to extremely shitty in record time.

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lol! What's 'shitty' about it? The conversation took a natural progression. We were talking about the year 2100 when I said that we would only survive into the future as a species if something was done about overpopulation. Then it was pointed out that overpopulation is only a problem in developing nations, to which I pointed out that developing nations never seem to develop, nations in Africa being a prime example. Then Africa was discussed and I stated that Africa obviously had major problems developing long before the white man turned up, an opinion which, for some reason, upset people. See, the thread took a natural course and I honestly don't understand what people are getting upset about. I obviously touched a nerve but God knows how or why.

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Originally Posted by Mega Drive Bowlsey

Not uninformed at all.

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Hahahahahaahahahhahaahahahhaha

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Originally Posted by Barone

Hahahahahaahahahhahaahahahhaha

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I can see I'm out of my intellectual depth debating with you. Well, I give in. My point of view has been shaken to it's very core by your mature response and well reasoned argument.

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Originally Posted by GriskaGyoran

I actually have a crazy idea on that. Back in the 50s up until the 90s, something interesting was going on in Africa. You had decolonization efforts going on and the USSR homed in on that with a replacement of communism. So for about 50 years you had Africa being an ideological battleground, literally. You had nations in total disarray such as Angola, Rhodesia, Ethiopia, Rwanda, Uganda just to name a few with Communist rebels floating around and in some cases taking over the country. However with Soviet Union not there anymore to fan the fires, the name of the game is changing.

We are now seeing international investment into Africa for their vast mineral resources. The Chinese and US are investing heavily in Africa if only to build strong trade relations that will benefit the investors. Even I have a small investment in Africa, namely donations I give to Wakaliwood who are the guys responsible for the wonderful movie Who Killed Captain Alex. We are watching a new age coming in Africa, and indeed it is a beautiful thing. However I do feel that Zimbabwe and Somalia are lost.

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to basically sum it up the reason botswana got so rich and non-corrupt for 3rd world standards was because of their thswane culture, where their leader is always chosen by the majority of people who believe in him and the leader realizes his democratic mandate. in botswana, where president seretse khame was hand given the largest diamond reserves in the world and instead of going on a personal spending spree ruining his country like other african nations did he offered the de beers company exclusive rights to mining in botswana in return of about 15% of it's mining income, but more important president seretse khama negotiated a deal that the botswana government would become part owner of the entire beers company and this percentage of ownership would grow every 10 years until a few years ago botswana became majority stakeholder in the company and through deals made before the entire london main offices of the company where moved to botswana's capital of gaborone. arguably one of the finest politican and economical deals ever made anywhere and that by a black president who has smaller brains (according to some here)

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Originally Posted by Mega Drive Bowlsey

lol! What's 'shitty' about it? The conversation took a natural progression. We were talking about the year 2100 when I said that we would only survive into the future as a species if something was done about overpopulation. Then it was pointed out that overpopulation is only a problem in developing nations, to which I pointed out that developing nations never seem to develop, nations in Africa being a prime example. Then Africa was discussed and I stated that Africa obviously had major problems developing long before the white man turned up, an opinion which, for some reason, upset people. See, the thread took a natural course and I honestly don't understand what people are getting upset about. I obviously touched a nerve but God knows how or why.

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the chinese were far more advanced than we where in europe and have far worse population issues than any third world nation. same for japan btw, who are depopulating so hard that by the year 2100 japan will be decimated. we in europe need every immigrant we can get in order to sustain. japan, a racist country beyond belief in their migration and racial laws, similar to israel, have their policies destroy them. depopulation on the short term is a far bigger risk than overpopulation.

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Originally Posted by bultje112

the chinese were far more advanced than we where in europe and have far worse population issues than any third world nation. same for japan btw, who are depopulating so hard that by the year 2100 japan will be decimated. we in europe need every immigrant we can get in order to sustain. japan, a racist country beyond belief in their migration and racial laws, similar to israel, have their policies destroy them. depopulation on the short term is a far bigger risk than overpopulation.

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Low birthrates will be a thing pretty much everywhere by 2100 - as a side effect of development - unless some giant war breaks out again and either decimates humanity as such or starts another demographic boom. Japan has 120 million people still, more than any European country except for Russia; they'll be fine if they manage to shift the low birthrates. Israel has nukes - enough of a deterrent so as not to be attacked openly by anyone again. If you think they won't use them in a last-ditch effort to erase their enemies (most likely either Iran or some Arab country), you're mistaken. Also, Europeans need to realize that the only way to keep up is to have at least 3-4 kids per family, then the immigrants won't be so necessary anymore. I don't know why it's such a difficult concept to understand, replacement rates always have to be taken into the account.

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Originally Posted by cccmar

Low birthrates will be a thing pretty much everywhere by 2100 - as a side effect of development - unless some giant war breaks out again and either decimates humanity as such or starts another demographic boom. Japan has 120 million people still, more than any European country except for Russia; they'll be fine if they manage to shift the low birthrates. Israel has nukes - enough of a deterrent so as not to be attacked openly by anyone again. If you think they won't use them in a last-ditch effort to erase their enemies (most likely either Iran or some Arab country), you're mistaken. Also, Europeans need to realize that the only way to keep up is to have at least 3-4 kids per family, then the immigrants won't be so necessary anymore. I don't know why it's such a difficult concept to understand, replacement rates always have to be taken into the account.

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It's not difficult to understand but the prevailing myth in the West is that mass immigration is somehow necessary because we have low birth rates and produce jobs that apparently people in host nations can't be arsed to do so it's necessary for immigrants to do them for us. Countries in Europe that refute this and insist on strict immigration laws, such as Poland and Hungary, are denounced as nationalistic and borderline racist yet, for some reason, Japan and Israel seem to get away scot free with a very similar anti immigration stance. Funny that.

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Originally Posted by cccmar

Low birthrates will be a thing pretty much everywhere by 2100 - as a side effect of development - unless some giant war breaks out again and either decimates humanity as such or starts another demographic boom. Japan has 120 million people still, more than any European country except for Russia; they'll be fine if they manage to shift the low birthrates. Israel has nukes - enough of a deterrent so as not to be attacked openly by anyone again. If you think they won't use them in a last-ditch effort to erase their enemies (most likely either Iran or some Arab country), you're mistaken. Also, Europeans need to realize that the only way to keep up is to have at least 3-4 kids per family, then the immigrants won't be so necessary anymore. I don't know why it's such a difficult concept to understand, replacement rates always have to be taken into the account.

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birth rates will only go down and with reason. so it's futile to expect birth rates in europe, or anywhere else for that matter, to go up. that will never happen again unless we get thrown 500 years back into time, which will also never happen.

migration is very much needed. japanese economy is to shits with decimating population and an incredible debt that the small young generation can never solve. it's a ticking time bomb and japan are very much aware of it. israel is a borderline racist and terrorist nation that shouldn't even exist.

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Originally Posted by bultje112

birth rates will only go down and with reason. so it's futile to expect birth rates in europe, or anywhere else for that matter, to go up. that will never happen again unless we get thrown 500 years back into time, which will also never happen.

migration is very much needed. japanese economy is to shits with decimating population and an incredible debt that the small young generation can never solve. it's a ticking time bomb and japan are very much aware of it. israel is a borderline racist and terrorist nation that shouldn't even exist.

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I agree with you about Israel 100%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTnjMC6FwpQ

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Originally Posted by Mega Drive Bowlsey

I agree with you about Israel 100%.

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I would also... but aren't they racist because they think they are basically religiously entitled to it? They are the chosen people, after all.

I'll concede to a certain level of cultural ignorance here, but I think that entire middle eastern/Indian area is probably the most racist region in the world, and it's weird how it doesn't really come up too much in debates like this.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

I would also... but aren't they racist because they think they are basically religiously entitled to it? They are the chosen people, after all.

I'll concede to a certain level of cultural ignorance here, but I think that entire middle eastern/Indian area is probably the most racist region in the world, and it's weird how it doesn't really come up too much in debates like this.

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What would (we) infidels know about that?

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

I would also... but aren't they racist because they think they are basically religiously entitled to it? They are the chosen people, after all.

I'll concede to a certain level of cultural ignorance here, but I think that entire middle eastern/Indian area is probably the most racist region in the world, and it's weird how it doesn't really come up too much in debates like this.

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no they actually believe they are the superior chosen race and don't have to live by our global rules. it's much more extreme than people think the islam is. anyone can become a Muslim but you can never become a jew.

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Originally Posted by bultje112

no they actually believe they are the superior chosen race and don't have to live by our global rules. it's much more extreme than people think the islam is. anyone can become a Muslim but you can never become a jew.

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That's right. You can only be born a Jew, and even then only if your mother is Jewish. Having a Jewish father is not good enough. You cannot convert to Judaism or marry into it, which is why it mystifies me why people around the world still believe that Jews are a religion and not a race. They are obviously a race and, not only see themselves as such, but have laws governing and protecting their race. They have laws protecting themselves and their race that make the white Aryan race laws under the Nazis look like child's play. They try to play this down so that it's not overt or obvious to the rest of the world, going so far as to push the myth that they are a religious movement and not a race, but it is obvious to anybody who looks into it. There's a hell of a lot of hypocrisy surrounding race laws around the world and what is and isn't acceptable. For example, having a movement that looks after and protects your interests if you are black, Muslim or Jewish? That's just dandy keeno fine. Having a movement that protects and looks after your interests if you are a white Christian? Forget it, you fucking evil Nazi!