As graphics improve are you less impressed?

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Originally Posted by ComradeOj

Totally agree.

I really don't buy the whole "cinematic" thing some companies are using to push low frame rates on people. Everything I've played was more enjoyable at high frame rates, and I wish 50/60 would become the standard. I've spoiled myself with a 144hz monitor, and 30 fps is outright uncomfortable by comparison.

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60 FPS is actually considered "shit framerate" nowadays precisely because 144 Hz monitors exist.

I'm kind of butthurt though. Why the heck isn't the new preferred framerate a multiple of 60 Hz? >:​( Even moreso, the last CRT I had supported up to 240 Hz... OK, that was at 640×480, but the model is from almost two decades ago (IBM G74, if anybody is curious). I'm honestly pretty disappointed that the "master race" people aren't complaining that 240 Hz isn't the norm. C'mon?

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Originally Posted by AlecRob

If you think the games have lost originality, just look at the hardware!

Microshaft and $ony are peddling the same X86 crap, with nearly identical specs.

Now the new owners of Atari are coming out with yet another X86 system on the market
(At least VCS isn’t trying to pretend it’s not a PC)

There’s no such thing as video game consoles anymore, just PCs...

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The memory controller in those is nothing alike compared to a PC. I guess that it's much easier to make an optimized architecture when you don't have to account for compatibility nor for the potential to add/change hardware (e.g. on a PC with a discrete GPU you can't share work RAM and VRAM because neither the memory controller nor the motherboard are designed for it, yet this is precisely what PS4 does).

That said, honestly don't expect much when now everything is polygons (so all GPUs are samey) and CPUs themselves stagnated (x86 and ARM are the only really relevant CPUs nowadays except maybe outside servers). And if Microsoft ever dares to take the big jump of pushing Windows on ARM again (the x86 compatibility emulation is supposed to be going to help with this), even x86 may have its days counted... Intel hasn't been making many friends these years.

I had a monitor in 2003 LCD that supported 120hz. Ever since all of mine have been 60.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

I tested DOOM with the GTX 780 (today) using medium settings. It looked way better than the GTX 670 at the same settings. I tried out Ultra @ 1080p, but the fps would drop into the mid 40s. I ran the game with high settings, and the only time I'd noticed texture pop-in was right after the game had loaded. I did not notice any kind of texture map lag while playing through the maps.

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Something tells me that you're a hardcore PC man :)

Yeah, texture pop-in after the game is loaded makes sense - mega-texture is like a big persistent cache, where you only load new texture into it as needed in order to minimize memory use.

But at startup, all of the visible textures need to be loaded - so you'll get MIP pop-in if the card doesn't have enough mem bandwidth (the engine could be throttling this as well). The sensible way to do this sort of thing is to load in the lower MIP-levels first, to take into account for slower cards. In the case of Nvidia, I still suspect that the drivers are doing something nasty such as not using the highest MIP level for textures when rendering (even if it's in the mega texture).

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Originally Posted by rusty

Something tells me that you're a hardcore PC man :)

Yeah, texture pop-in after the game is loaded makes sense - mega-texture is like a big persistent cache, where you only load new texture into it as needed in order to minimize memory use.

But at startup, all of the visible textures need to be loaded - so you'll get MIP pop-in if the card doesn't have enough mem bandwidth (the engine could be throttling this as well). The sensible way to do this sort of thing is to load in the lower MIP-levels first, to take into account for slower cards. In the case of Nvidia, I still suspect that the drivers are doing something nasty such as not using the highest MIP level for textures when rendering (even if it's in the mega texture).

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I think it has more to do with ID’s choice for how they introduce the level. They let you see the level, but can’t move, instead of keeping a loading screen in front of you until everything is loaded. It doesn’t help that the PC I have the 780 in had the game on a HDD. My main rig has most of its games on fast SSDs.

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Originally Posted by Sik

I'm kind of butthurt though. Why the heck isn't the new preferred framerate a multiple of 60 Hz?

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72Hz is much more common in PC world than 60Hz is, almost nothing runs at 60Hz by default on any of my computers, but either 72 or 75Hz.

I don't really follow the new game systems. Dreamcast was the last new system that had graphics that really impressed me. It's all just been refinement since then anyways.

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Originally Posted by TmEE

72Hz is much more common in PC world than 60Hz is, almost nothing runs at 60Hz by default on any of my computers, but either 72 or 75Hz.

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I don't recall 72Hz being that common, though 85Hz seemed to be the norm before everybody moved to LCD (which barely could keep up with 60Hz). It wasn't uncommon to switch video mode to 60Hz when playing a game though (so vsync could do its job properly instead of causing a jittery mess).

Either way, 144Hz seems pretty low to be the current demand :​v

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Originally Posted by Sik

I don't recall 72Hz being that common, though 85Hz seemed to be the norm before everybody moved to LCD (which barely could keep up with 60Hz). It wasn't uncommon to switch video mode to 60Hz when playing a game though (so vsync could do its job properly instead of causing a jittery mess).

Either way, 144Hz seems pretty low to be the current demand :​v

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They're already up to 240Hz on 1080 and 1440p PC displays. I'm fine with my 144Hz 1440p display.


My old IBM monitor (G35?) had a 75Hz mode.


Also, my 52" Samsung supports several different fequencies using the D-Sub connector.

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachm...4&d=1526952145

I'd like to see more character models move their head or eyes to acknowledge what they're looking at/fighting.

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Originally Posted by cabear

I'd like to see more character models move their head or eyes to acknowledge what they're looking at/fighting.

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It seems to me that eyes are the hardest thing to get right when creating a lifelike computer graphic generated 'human' in a game, no-matter how good the graphics engine used is. FIFA 18 is a good example of this but you could list any number of games. The bodies and likeness of real people have been replicated to the last detail but the eyes never look quite right. They look glazed over, glassy and dull like a dolls eyes. They look lifeless, because they are of course. Maybe that's why eyes, often referred to as the windows to the soul, are the hardest thing for us to replicate digitally.

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Originally Posted by Mega Drive Bowlsey

It seems to me that eyes are the hardest thing to get right when creating a lifelike computer graphic generated 'human' in a game, no-matter how good the graphics engine used is. FIFA 18 is a good example of this but you could list any number of games. The bodies and likeness of real people have been replicated to the last detail but the eyes never look quite right. They look glazed over, glassy and dull like a dolls eyes. They look lifeless, because they are of course. Maybe that's why eyes, often referred to as the windows to the soul, are the hardest thing for us to replicate digitally.

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LA Noire makes good use of eye movement and facial expressions during interviews. One of the key aspects of the interviews is when the person getting grilled won't look you in the eyes when they aren't telling the truth.

That's because it's just an FMV of someone's face basically. I don't mean to bring this game up again like I gush over it but I liked how expressive Link is in Wind Waker but obviously not going for realism. But his eyes would clue on something interesting. I think we are now at a point where we can do that without exaggerated cartoon art style. Injustice 2 hasjust as expressive faces as LA Niore and that one I believe is animated not filmed. Harley Quinn is esp great. Just watch any scene with her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0-TcB4zg4

LA Noire is not using FMV for those interviews. It is using the game's engine to generate those expressions.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

LA Noire is not using FMV for those interviews. It is using the game's engine to generate those expressions.

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lol, no dude. They filmed the actors and rotoscoped them essentially. They sat in a chair said their lines as a series of camera's filmed them form all sides. Just a 3D version of rotoscoping. Injustice 2 is just animated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY7RYCsE9KQ

I think the last time I was truly amazed at the graphics was Doom 3 2002 presentation. Since then, everything feels more like an evolution than revolution.
That being said, sometimes I'm in awe of how realistic mud puddles in Battlefield 1 look.