Well now you are just making up words let alone facts. ROFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
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Well now you are just making up words let alone facts. ROFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
He's a proven lair and we now grasping at straws; Its ok for Tom to recall what he did at SOA over 25 years ok, but not for Sato-san the man was the boss of SEGA R&D and designed every SEGA console ever made. Sato would know more than any when it comes to hardware. And in his interviews he conducts himself so much better, doesn't look to blame others, to scapegoat SOA or make up stories on how he and Ken had dinner and he could have had the PS or PS2. All in stark contrast, to utter crap that comes from a Tom interviews when he looks backQuote:
Originally Posted by Gryson
All we know is that SOA suggested the 68020 at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
We don't know if they were aggressively pushing it, we don't know if they suggested it before or after the SH2 was selected, we don't know anything other than that they suggested it at some point.
But, you said that they were pushing for a 68020 even after the SH2 was chosen. That's bullshit you made up.
I'm honestly surprised that TA isn't on everyone's ignore list by now.
Ideally he should've been banned years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
^Along with Thief and a couple of other trolls.
I never said SOA were pushing for the 68020 after the SH-2.In the interview when Sato-san was looking at the SH-2 he said SEGA America was pushing for the 68020 and while it was a risk to go with Hitachi he felt it would be a bigger jump, so we know the time line.Quote:
Originally Posted by zyrobs
I know Tom K is worshipped like a cult leader to some.. But the man has not told the truth over Sega America and Sega Japan working relationship, told bare faced lies over how happy he was with the Saturn spec, talked utter tosh over having access or looking to work with Sony Hardware and as looked to blame staff and scapegoat SOJ.
You know, looking at those magazine scans:
Hitachi? Highly customized? What are the odds that the magazine misguessed the CPU (bad rumors?) and this was actually related to the SH-2?Quote:
this machine is presently expected to be based on a new Sega/Hitachi highly customized 68030 processor
What I imagine the journalists did, was combine two rumours:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sik
- it uses a 68020
- it uses a highly customized chip by Hitachi (no cpu model given!).
Hence, a 68020 highly customized by Hitachi.
Keep in mind that these journalists were not experts in semiconductor processes & companies, and they didn't have a wealth of information ready to be dissected online in minutes. They had no way of knowing that the two rumours talk of different chips - they reported the info they had.
Also note: Hitachi did release their own 68k that was special in that it used the least amount of power, a necessary point for the Nomad. One could call it a chip "highly customized" by Hitachi, in a way.
I wouldn't put much faith in those old EGM articles. They were really half-assing it. This one references the 1994 Winter CES (held in January, 1994), and says:Quote:
Originally Posted by parallaxscroll
And that concept art they seem so proud of is a direct copy of the one that Beep! MD published, minus the cartridge slot.Quote:
The main processor of the Saturn is a customized 68030 unit developed by Sega and Hitachi...
Here's the source, from the Nov. 1993 issue of Beep! MD:
http://u.cubeupload.com/gryson/BeepMDNov93.jpg
And that article clearly states that the CPU is Hitachi's SH chip. Literally all EGM had to do was subscribe to Beep! MD and find a translator and they'd be a step up from where they were.
True, but the Hitachi-Sega deal and subsequently the name of the chip were all reported in Japanese newspapers in Sept 1993 (it was big news). EGM was still saying that the chip was a 68030 into 1994. You'd think that a major gaming magazine would have at least some ability to access the Japanese media.Quote:
Originally Posted by zyrobs
Yes or but like SEGA Mag UK, CVG, EDGE, Super Play and had a staff member based in Japan to report back all the latest news. But this was before the days of google and google translate and so sometimes the news would get miss translated; I remember CVG getting a fax with news on Slipheed on the Mega CD and in their rush to translation the news, they had it down as the game needed to extra cartridge to run, which they speculated on how it was needed to handle the GFX, Its turned out, that they missread the news of the game supporting the Japanese Mega CD Back Up Ram cart for saving lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gryson
But yes in mid 1993 it was wildy reported that the Saturn was using a Hitachi CPU and should have been clear to all. SEGA Japan even held a press conference to announce the news.
Diehard GameFan of all magazines in the U.S., actually had more accurate Saturn info than EGM in their early coverage (aside from the mention of a quad-speed CD-ROM drive).
From Volume 1 issue 12 (November 1993)
https://i.imgur.com/D39gSAq.jpg
Most of the points in that table there are a literal translation of the table from Beep! a couple of posts earlier. Yes, even the rewriteable CD part.
Also I could imagine Sega actually considering 4x at that point but for some reason didn't end up panning out.
Bring back mrsegaQuote:
Originally Posted by zyrobs
By the way, I don't know if people know this but this man has cataloged images and notes on every revision of the Sega Saturn that ever existed. The details are far more specific than the ones on Sega Retro and shows that some of the notes on Retro are wrong (such as the DAC differences between VA2 and VA4). Bing translate does a pretty good job with his notes.
https://www9.atwiki.jp/nannansei/pages/14.html
https://www9.atwiki.jp/nannansei/pages/15.html