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Originally Posted by BonusKun

I'm going to take the trekkies route and ask you what is it Trump has done to you personally to make you hate someone you've never even met?

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For the sake of my own mental stability and trying to retain what little if any status I have earned on this forum I rather not on a web forum with strangers. I already said too much as I could not help myself. Also, I'm not sure people here would understand the point of view I have as I have yet to see someone I recognize with similar mental issues to understand. That sounds vague I know and it's not that I don't think anyone here isn't intelligent but I have gone all my life with people just not understanding because they don't have these issues to see what I see and how it affects me as a person and my perception.So I rather just talk about video games. They make me happy. I rather be happy.

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Originally Posted by Ecco

So while hate speech is not illegal, speech promoting violence is, and I think he was on the blurry line, at best, even if it was all just jokes.

Plus I could never understand how people think it's funny in any way, to joke about the Holocaust etc. Like what kind of sick mind finds humor in that lol.

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See that's the thing, Who's decision is it to say this was promoting violence? A video of a dumb dog doing paw gestures is now violence? Nobody even cared about it much less knew about Count Dankula and yet now it's in the forefront of a lot of people's minds because of the double standard that's happening. Think about that Trump Balloon being in the air and what people are saying about how's he's the worst human being ever.

I know for a fact that if given a chance a lot of those people would love to attack him verbally & physically. If that happened and he was assaulted so many people would take personal pleasure in it even tho he'd never done anything to them personally. That's the main reason why I see the balloon as a dumb thing promoting hate towards Trump & I know some people won't like this but even tho I didn't vote for him, He's still the president of the U.S. and the U.S. is still one of the Brittan's biggest allies.

There's a huge pushback coming I've begun to see because a lot of people who claim they're for free speech and intolerance are the 1st ones in line to try and shut your mouth if you say or do something that might even be deemed slightly offensive. :|

@Segata, That's fine and I respect your choice.

@Matthews, From what I understand this crap was actually happening when Bill Clinton was president and still nobody cared when he was doing the same thing. Trump is doing it and now omg he's an evil human being separating their kids from their parents. Here's the thing which actually makes me wonder what the hell people are thinking.

These people are attempting to cross into the United States illegally and got caught. What do you expect the border patrols do to when they catch them with kids? Let them pass and say "Oh you have a kid, sorry you can go thru." Clinton & Obama were doing what Trump was doing and yet here we are with people being told he's a monster so much that *I hate this term* fake news from even Time Magazine was printed where someone took a picture of a little girl crying who was "supposedly" taken from her parents where it was later 100% proven it was a lie that even Time Magazine retracted what they said without so much as an apology.

Recently in a part of California it seems there's a law being pushed that would allows non-citizens of the United States to be allowed to vote because why?

Also fuck the term "Undocumented Immigrant" it's a soft way of someone is in another country illegally.

And again, thank you guys for being really mature about this thread. Hell myself I usually lock threads like this because some people get pissed off or enraged.

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Originally Posted by Mega Drive Bowlsey

He does give a reason for his actions, repeatedly, especially in Mein Kampf. In his mind he was attempting to save the white race from extinction by destroying the Jewish conspiracy that he believed controls so many countries and financial institutions. He believed that the best way to confront the Jews was to attack them directly and tell them that he knew all about them and that he would, to use his own words, purge German soil of their poison. He called the conspiracy 'international Jewry' and believed that they were also behind communism, hence his hatred for the Soviet Union. I'm just pointing out that he did have reasons for what he did, even if those reasons are hard to understand and stomach for the average person.

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Theres tons of people of colour countries that don't speak positively about Jews and discriminate them

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Originally Posted by Ecco

I only just heard of it. My first response is that I understand why people would be worried about him committing violence. Sure maybe he didn't mean that, but I think it's a reasonable concern for someone making videos joking about murdering people, which is what it was, even though it was about a pug lol.

So while hate speech is not illegal, speech promoting violence is, and I think he was on the blurry line, at best, even if it was all just jokes.

Plus I could never understand how people think it's funny in any way, to joke about the Holocaust etc. Like what kind of sick mind finds humor in that lol.

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Dude, its all about context. Thats what BonusKun meant in his post, make the dog do something evil and vulgar and the owner was aware thats what it was

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

Are you by chance referring to the stuff happening on the Mexican border? You know, that thing that was happening under Obama’s watch, also?

News report from 2014, indicating that the kids had absolutely caught Obama’s attention:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.91fcaa4aa145

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And we don't wanna dare mention that Obama gave some of those separated kids to child traffickers thinking they were their parents

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Originally Posted by BonusKun

@Segata, That's fine and I respect your choice.

@Matthews, From what I understand this crap was actually happening when Bill Clinton was president and still nobody cared when he was doing the same thing. Trump is doing it and now omg he's an evil human being separating their kids from their parents. Here's the thing which actually makes me wonder what the hell people are thinking.

These people are attempting to cross into the United States illegally and got caught. What do you expect the border patrols do to when they catch them with kids? Let them pass and say "Oh you have a kid, sorry you can go thru." Clinton & Obama were doing what Trump was doing and yet here we are with people being told he's a monster so much that *I hate this term* fake news from even Time Magazine was printed where someone took a picture of a little girl crying who was "supposedly" taken from her parents where it was later 100% proven it was a lie that even Time Magazine retracted what they said without so much as an apology.

Recently in a part of California it seems there's a law being pushed that would allows non-citizens of the United States to be allowed to vote because why?

Also fuck the term "Undocumented Immigrant" it's a soft way of someone is in another country illegally.

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Agreed. This is something presidents only seem to address when they get specifically called out on it. In actuality, I'm sure they are loathe to talk about it because the real situation is far beyond the understanding of the American populace.

Despite what the liberal propaganda machine would like the world to believe, Trump did not invent this problem with illegal Mexican immigrants. Every president has had to deal with the problems at the Mexican border. All these people calling Trump the next Hitler because families are getting torn apart? Jesus, there's enough actual things you can criticize about Trump, you don't need to make stuff up.

Coming to America illegally is illegal.

Living in America illegally is illegal.

I'm not saying I agree with every rule out there, particularly in regards to this issue, but the fact is, rules are rules.

All these people who are waving their signs on overpasses and protesting on social media need to shut their mouths if they aren't going to be part of the solution. And if they bothered doing any amount of research into the situation, they'd understand how complicated and tenebrous the solution is... which is why NO PRESIDENT HAS COME UP WITH IT.

It sounds stupid to say, but Trump's wall might be the best solution, particularly when you consider that Bush and Obama were just building a fence.




Or change the laws and remove all borders. I'm sure most Americans would be totally happy with how that turns out.

Sorry for the double post, I have one more point to make:

I would trade 2 million fat, complacent, lazy, entitled, whiny, superficial, self-centered Americans for 1 million Mexican refugees. All day long.

Just show me where to sign.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

It sounds stupid to say, but Trump's wall might be the best solution, particularly when you consider that Bush and Obama were just building a fence.

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That is only one part of a solution - while it would likely put a squeeze on the flow of drugs it would not solve the problem of visa overstays (all of the scum who took over the airplanes on 9/1/1 were visa overstays IIRC).

Some other things need to happen to seriously tighten things up:

Strengthen e-verify and mandate it for all employers (for present and future employees).

Actually punish the CEOs of companies caught knowingly hiring illegals (with a reasonable standard of what that is) - a perp walk
for a few of them might get the rest to get legal.

No social benefits - no free schools, no Wic benefits, no free medical care (if they show up in an emergency room, treat/stabilize them and send them home - if they need continued treatment that is up to their home countries).

Get the 14th amendment tested at the Supreme Court level - it was never intended to cover illegals (it was actually created specifically to give the former slaves after the Civil War a legal status). It has been tested to cover resident aliens who have children but not the status of illegals who have children in the U.S.

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Attached is a 2016 study on demographic votes. Maybe there could be a reason behind the importation or the discouragement thereof.

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Originally Posted by BonusKun

And again, thank you guys for being really mature about this thread. Hell myself I usually lock threads like this because some people get pissed off or enraged.

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Yeah, this is like an actual discussion.

I think all the nuclear guys already bounced.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

Yeah, this is like an actual discussion.

I think all the nuclear guys already bounced.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrbOVeRonQ

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

Sorry for the double post, I have one more point to make:

I would trade 2 million fat, complacent, lazy, entitled, whiny, superficial, self-centered Americans for 1 million Mexican refugees. All day long.

Just show me where to sign.

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I'd rather we just annex all of Mexico, feed the cartels to pigs, then slaughter the pigs and feed them to dogs, build a proper infrastructure across the entire country, with water treatment plants, and practice means of restoring the desert to green. Residents of the states of the former Mexico need not learn English, but it should be encouraged. Keep the culture, just eliminate the criminal chaff. When we have that success, we can then do the same to other dens of criminals like Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City, St. Louis, Atlanta, Miami, and others.
In fact, do it to the whole world. Then bring life, technology, and a future to all Earth-like worlds within the realm of visibility. We need technology sufficiently advanced to be able to send preserved cell cultures and/or DNA and RNA samples to other planets, and seed them with life, even if it's volcanic vent worms, bacteria, or algae. We cannot do this unless everyone is pushing in the same direction.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

Yeah, this is like an actual discussion.

I think all the nuclear guys already bounced.

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I think so too.

Going back to what Ecco said about some jokes about serious subject matters not being funny, well I agree, largely due to the fact that my great grandfather died at Auschwitz. He fell out of the guard tower...

I see what you did there.

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Originally Posted by Mega Drive Bowlsey

He fell out of the guard tower...

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That's not funny, man. My great, great uncle died when he was doing guard duty, when some idiot fell out of a guard tower and landed on him, breaking his neck.

I wasn't saying that you guys shouldn't joke about whatever topic you want to. I just wonder why genocide would be the topic to joke about. I guess it's like when I meet some white guy who doesn't seem to know any black people, but everything he says is dropping the N-word and insulting them. Like, what's the point. If he doesn't like blacks then why spend his free time thinking about them and talking about them. It's just a similar question why Holocaust would seem funny to people, of all topics in the world, and doesn't it imply veiled hatred and racism. *shrugs*