PC gaming is a hassle and don't know how people prefer it.

I get PC's are more powerful and all. That's nice but they are a bitch when it comes to getting games to run without problems. Yesterday I spent hours trying to get a bunch of games working for various reasons. Gears of War 4 is buggy on PC that for many won't get past the splash screen. I never did get it to work. Binary Domain control support is fucked so you have to edit its files directly and even that only stays temp. I can't turn off rumble either which for whatever reason forces the aiming to drift when it rumbles. Then I had Binary Domain tell me I had an invalid GPU. Well to fix that I have to manually select my GPU in the configure mode. Same issue with Gun Metal. Asphalt 9 would not get past the splash screen at one point. So I had to reset the app and even then despite calibrating the XBO pad it had major drift and in Killer Instinct the Dpad was going nuts. Gears so-called "fix" wanted me to edit shit in the registry. Like I said I eventually gave up trying to get Gears to work. I got Binary Domain to work until I closed the game and restarted and realized I have to go into the files and reset the controls every time I want to play it. Everything else I got working again. I have never been a serious PC gamer but have been playing on them since about 2004 and on Steam since 2008. Always had issues with PC game. In fact, not just me watching Nathan Barnatt on a steam one night trying to get Genesis roms to work with his capture devices was more entertaining than the games. He never did get it working and chat had a million suggestions.

How do people put up with PC gaming so much? Master Pain in the ass, not Master Race. When it works I like it but that's the problem. It rarely works as it should. That's a big factor that prevented me from being more into it. I will never forget my troubles getting PSO2 to work and now with a new PC, I just accepted I lost my PSO2 account as I do not want to set that all up again. I will remain console first because when I put my game in, it typically works as intended without the hassle. Lastly with the exception of a first-person game. I just find a controller as a better input device.

You act like this is new with PC gaming?! LOL it has always been this way. I can remember the fun we all had with Falcon 3.0 was released and required you to have over 600k of actual main memory available for use in order for it to run. We had to setup special boot floppies with special config.sys and autoexec.bat files to get that game to run. And this was in the early 90s on MsDOS?!

Then all the fun with IRQ conflicts and such when you had various PC boards installed, or when you had to install sound cards in specific PCI slots because of shared resources with the AGP slot right next to it. Ah..fun times...

This is one of the reasons why my gaming PCs have typically been middle of the road on the hardware side. Because most games are designed around the current middle tier hardware at the time the game was developed. Then again, aside from Fallout 4 and a few other games of about that same time era of release, I pretty much play older PC games and such through DOSBox mostly LOL!

My gaming PC has "mainstream" components and I haven't had any issues so far. Intel CPU, Asus Motherboard, NVidia graphics card. But yes all the different driver/hardware configs have always been a blessing and a curse when it comes to PC gaming.

I started with PC gaming in the Voodoo era and went to consoles and haven't looked back. PCs are no fun. I like the social aspect and 'cinema' experience with a TV/console.

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Originally Posted by SegataS

I get PC's are more powerful and all. That's nice but they are a bitch when it comes to getting games to run without problems. Yesterday I spent hours trying to get a bunch of games working for various reasons. Gears of War 4 is buggy on PC that for many won't get past the splash screen. I never did get it to work. Binary Domain control support is fucked so you have to edit its files directly and even that only stays temp. I can't turn off rumble either which for whatever reason forces the aiming to drift when it rumbles. Then I had Binary Domain tell me I had an invalid GPU. Well to fix that I have to manually select my GPU in the configure mode. Same issue with Gun Metal. Asphalt 9 would not get past the splash screen at one point. So I had to reset the app and even then despite calibrating the XBO pad it had major drift and in Killer Instinct the Dpad was going nuts. Gears so-called "fix" wanted me to edit shit in the registry. Like I said I eventually gave up trying to get Gears to work. I got Binary Domain to work until I closed the game and restarted and realized I have to go into the files and reset the controls every time I want to play it. Everything else I got working again. I have never been a serious PC gamer but have been playing on them since about 2004 and on Steam since 2008. Always had issues with PC game. In fact, not just me watching Nathan Barnatt on a steam one night trying to get Genesis roms to work with his capture devices was more entertaining than the games. He never did get it working and chat had a million suggestions.

How do people put up with PC gaming so much? Master Pain in the ass, not Master Race. When it works I like it but that's the problem. It rarely works as it should. That's a big factor that prevented me from being more into it. I will never forget my troubles getting PSO2 to work and now with a new PC, I just accepted I lost my PSO2 account as I do not want to set that all up again. I will remain console first because when I put my game in, it typically works as intended without the hassle. Lastly with the exception of a first-person game. I just find a controller as a better input device.

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The problem is that you're playing console ports on the PC. That never goes well.

I have played PC only games as well and many times the same thing.

I’d be more inclined to partake in PC gaming if it were as comfortable as playing video games from my couch, and if my monitor were as big as my TV

^ Steam link. Often goes on sale for $5.

I can't appreciate the OP's perspective. Working in IT I often use this loose analogy.... some tech is built to be easy to use, game consoles, Apple products, etc. Like giving someone one easy to use tool that requires little explanation. Say a hammer. But you can only do so much with that hammer. A PC is more like a tool box full of tools that require some training or experience to really use to their full potential. You can do a lot with a PC, but it requires patience and skill.

I think most PC gamers are people who feel more comfortable with PCs in general. For instance, I work as a technician supporting 1500 PCs at a college. So for me to use a PC to game on is no big deal. It's easy compared to some of the other stuff I do with PCs. Plus PC offer more flexibility and resources for games that can take advantage of it. For instance, applying game mods.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

I’d be more inclined to partake in PC gaming if it were as comfortable as playing video games from my couch, and if my monitor were as big as my TV

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You can hook up your PC to your TV. It's what I do. If you have a recent-ish laptop/pc, it should have HDMI output. Or just get a VGA to HDMI upscaler.

Ok, my pros and cons for PC gaming:

+ Mods. These range from silly stuff, to new levels, characters, and features, to even restoring removed elements or fixing the game. Games like Skyrim/Fallout NV have limitless replayabilty.
+ Biggest library of games, ranging from the late 80s to the modern era.
+ Cheapest platform to buy newer games for (most of the time).
+ Use practically any controller you want, provided you can hook it up and can find the drivers.
- Games are usually sloppy ported or lazily put together.
- Steam has no quality control - tons of shit games on their store
- Games break the older they get and need fixes to be applied to get working. Some don't even get that.
- Optimization is a rarity.
- DRM sucks on PC games; disc checks are one thing, as is "always online".

As a console gamer who only recently (like last five years-ish) made the jump to PC gaming, I can understand why many would not like it. It takes time, and effort to get a game working, but I like tinkering with stuff, so I'm okay with that. The payoffs are worth it for me, but it's not for everyone I guess.

- Expensive to setup

I was aiming to be done with consoles this generation, but with PC parts still being rather expensive thanks to cryptominers and getting tired of waiting for them to come down, I broke down an got an Xbox One X earlier this year. Considering the console can be had for less ($360-400 with eBay deals) than the equivalent or better GPU alone made it a no brainer. I'd definitely agree the PC games are cheaper most of the time, but I'm finding that to be less of a PC advantage this generation.

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- Expensive to setup

I was aiming to be done with consoles this generation, but with PC parts still being rather expensive thanks to cryptominers and getting tired of waiting for them to come down, I broke down an got an Xbox One X earlier this year. Considering the console can be had for less ($360-400 with eBay deals) than the equivalent or better GPU alone made it a no brainer. I'd definitely agree the PC games are cheaper most of the time, but I'm finding that to be less of a PC advantage this generation.

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Yeah, costs to build one is a major downside. You're better off going for a gaming laptop at this time in space if you want to get into PC gaming, not like that's cheap, but it's a little more affordable.

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

You can hook up your PC to your TV. It's what I do. If you have a recent-ish laptop/pc, it should have HDMI output.

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Funny you mention that. Just this morning, due in part to this thread, I was looking st the HDMI ports on my PC & laptop and wondering what they were for.

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Funny you mention that. Just this morning, due in part to this thread, I was looking st the HDMI ports on my PC & laptop and wondering what they were for.

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You can also set up Steam to use Big Picture mode - which allows you to browse it's menus' with a controller. Have that running at startup + use a wireless keyboard and mouse, and you can comfortably game from your couch. Basically the most console-like experience you can get on a PC.

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You can also set up Steam to use Big Picture mode - which allows you to browse it's menus' with a controller. Have that running at startup + use a wireless keyboard and mouse, and you can comfortably game from your couch. Basically the most console-like experience you can get on a PC.

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I have a pretty stout PC in my game room/office. I've used Steam to stream game play to the less powerful PC I have in the living room. I've never had to use the mouse and keyboard to play games in my living room from the couch with a PC.

Everytime I want to play a pc game, it will have issues. Nvidia drivers not updating correctly, controller not working or nit configurable, screen tearing, error launching, game crash, graphical glitches. While console are not as plug and play as they used to be, its still optimized for a single hardware cpu/gpu and works well most of the time.
Also the digital store sales for xbox and ps4 have gotten a lot better, same prices as steam and even better. Steam summer sales price since 2016 are not as good as before

Steam link when it goe son sale is like the size of an external HDD so if you want something smaller than a laptop. I have often hooked my PC via HDMI to my TV. Been a while since I have done that tho. My Monitor is using HDMI. Stopped using VGA some time ago and this new laptop doesn't even have VGA.

A modded saturn is all i need

PC are a hassle full stop. Never liked gaming on them and also liked the ease of use of the console

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I have a pretty stout PC in my game room/office. I've used Steam to stream game play to the less powerful PC I have in the living room. I've never had to use the mouse and keyboard to play games in my living room from the couch with a PC.

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The keyboard and mouse would be for doing other stuff, not for gaming. Always best to have a K+M on-hand in case something pops up on-screen (firewall, anti virus, an update from Windows, etc etc) and takes you away from the game or just want to surf the web, etc. Sorry should I have written that part better.

Btw steam link is crap, for it to work well both the pc and steam link need to be plugged directly with ethernet cables with your router, so this is stupid because if they are close to each other just plug a long hdmi cable to your tv! Wireless is laggy and picture quality is degraded. And dont get me started on the steam controller its f&@$” awful!!

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Btw steam link is crap, for it to work well both the pc and steam link need to be plugged directly with ethernet cables with your router, so this is stupid because if they are close to each other just plug a long hdmi cable to your tv! Wireless is laggy and picture quality is degraded. And dont get me started on the steam controller its f&@$” awful!!

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That’s nonsense. All of your stuff is connected to the same router, including your wireless devices. And why are you going on about the Steam controller? I use 360 pads with my PCs.

My 5th year into PC gaming and I'm liking it a lot so much so almost 2y ago I had to get my first video card. Ha-ha gamevet might remember how that went with bricking the last system and all trying to update the BIOS because needed UFEI support for the 1050 Ti but in the end really like this newer system much better.
I've had some problems along the way one notable would be Arkham Knight where it needed to be reinstall it plus all data needed to be found and deleted too (but the save file) because using the in game benchmark would corrupt it and this happen twice. Other smaller stuff like Bass Pro Shops: The Strike needed to be run in 640x480 than trying to figure out what resolution setting looks best on a 1080 monitor.
But for the most part it has gone well. However I do almost live to fix and tinker with things.

I will never use an Xbox gamepad but found the Logitech F710 be great also to SegataS it has a rumble on/off button on the face of it.

You can't turn it off in Binary Domain.

There are certain game genres that just play better on PC:

Strategy
4X
City building
Simulation
MMORPG
RTS
FPS

and probably more.

The reason is that for many games in those genres, you almost have to use a mouse/keyboard to play effectively. Of course, you can get by on a console, but it's a sacrifice. I know you can use a mouse/keyboard on modern consoles, but I've heard there are issues, and many games in the above genres are not available on console.

If you're only interested in action games and such (and don't mind aim-assist in FPSs), then stick with a console.

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Originally Posted by SegataS

You can't turn it off in Binary Domain.

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That maybe the case but the Logitech F710 has a physical button on the face of the gamepad just for turning on and off such function or better yet the wired version F310 doesn't even have motors in it.

Edit: Also would like to add they both have a switch on them for DirectInput and XInput that's handy.

I can't play games with a keyboard and mouse.

Edit2: Binary Domain is a very nice game I must say. I have it for PS3.

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Originally Posted by EyeDeeNo76

I can't play games with a keyboard and mouse.

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Then I'm afraid you can never join the Master Race. :love:

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Originally Posted by Gryson

Then I'm afraid you can never join the Master Race. :love:

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That's okay I make my own path through life as a nonconformist. :D

Yeah, I beat it on PS3 but would have been nice to play it with better performance. I hope for a remaster along with VanQuish this gen but not looking likely.

Did you play it using vice commands? That was a neat idea but most of the time I played without it.

Have this remaster VanQuish on Steam but still think Binary Domain is better though.

The reason VanQuish remastered happened is it was never on PC before and given that fact I doubt Sega would ever give Binary Domain remastered treatment.


Edit: At Gryson, I always sought in the options of every PlayStation FPS or any shooter at that mater how to turn off aim-assist and turned it off whenever possible.

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Originally Posted by EyeDeeNo76

My 5th year into PC gaming and I'm liking it a lot so much so almost 2y ago I had to get my first video card. Ha-ha gamevet might remember how that went with bricking the last system and all trying to update the BIOS because needed UFEI support for the 1050 Ti but in the end really like this newer system much better.
I've had some problems along the way one notable would be Arkham Knight where it needed to be reinstall it plus all data needed to be found and deleted too (but the save file) because using the in game benchmark would corrupt it and this happen twice. Other smaller stuff like Bass Pro Shops: The Strike needed to be run in 640x480 than trying to figure out what resolution setting looks best on a 1080 monitor.
But for the most part it has gone well. However I do almost live to fix and tinker with things.

I will never use an Xbox gamepad but found the Logitech F710 be great also to SegataS it has a rumble on/off button on the face of it.

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I made the mistake of buying a AGP graphics card, for a PC that only had PCI slots. I didn't know that not all PCs had an AGP slot.

I think my 1st build was in 2010. I started out with baby steps on learning how to build my own PC. The 1st step was replacing the Pentium E6300 (Core2duo) with a Q9650 (Core2quad) in my HP media PC from 2009. A year later I bought an Nforce SLI motherboard, moved the Q9650 over to it and added a second GTX 460 for SLI. A couple of years later I put together the 2500K rig I have in the living room and then in 2014 I put together my i7-4790K rig that I have in my Game Room/office. I'm hoping I can get at least another 3 or 4 years out of my 4790k rig. The motherboard it has is one of the best I've ever seen, outside on the expensive enthusiast CPU (X99 etc) boards

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachm...7&d=1534706627

My current issues are with every time that Windows 10 updates. I have to redirect the PC sound back to my sound card and tell the PC where to find the drivers for my game pad. PC gaming is not noob friendly.

What's that Creative Labs? My Realtek onboard audio will sometimes switch to NVIDIA HD audio after a NVIDIA driver update and I guess is common occurrence.
Where's the PSU? You have a spinner where the PSU should be.

Just for a ha ha here's my bland stock-ish system.

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Lenovo 710-25ISH IdeaCentre with a i5-6400 Skylake ~ Win10 H 64 1803
Lenovo 3642 Motherboard Intel H170 ~ BIOS FWKT91A 6/28/2018
FSP Group FSP250-30AGBAA 250w 80 Plus Bronze
EVGA 04G-P4-6251-KR GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Gaming ~ Precision XOC 6.0.9
G.SKILL F4-2400C15Q-4GNT Value DDR4 4x4GB Kit (Running 2133 as can't XMP on H170)
Seagate ST1000DX001-SSHD-8GB Hybrid Drive 1TB + Seagate ST31000524AS Barracuda HDD 1TB
Pioneer BDR-209M Blu-ray Burner

AOC E2475SWQE 23.6'' 1ms TN 1080p 60Hz Monitor via Athena CLH-DP0612MM28 DP + Samsung UN32J5500AF 31.5'' TV via Belkin F8V3311B15 HDMI
Creative GigaWorks T20 Series II

If we were still in the DOS era I could understand the issue, but we're not. PC Gaming is easier than ever to get set up and going on even the weakest of boxes these days thanks to Steam, Origin, Windows Marketplace, etc. The only time I've run into issues these days is trying to run something really old from the Windows 95 days.

I have issues trying to get Knights of the Old Republic to work with Windows 7 Trekkies.

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What's that Creative Labs? My Realtek onboard audio will sometimes switch to NVIDIA HD audio after a NVIDIA driver update and I guess is common occurrence.
Where's the PSU? You have a spinner where the PSU should be.

Just for a ha ha here's my bland stock-ish system.

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Hey, it gets the job done!

The PSU and my SSDs are on the back side of the case. It's a Corsair Air 540. It's like a reverse mullet, with the party in the front and business in the back. The sound card is a Creative Labs 3D Recon - Fatality Edition. I have a Turtle Beach DSS connected to it using a TOS and I sometimes use Turtle Beach X12 headphones for surround sound.


http://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachm...9&d=1534727908


http://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachm...0&d=1534727917


Windows 10 64 bit

i7-4790K @4.7Ghz
Corsair H110 Closed loop CPU cooler
Asus Z87-WS motherboard (I got it for $85, it retailed for $325)
16GB DDR3-2133 Kingston HyperX Savage memory
EVGA GTX 1080 Classified
Crucial MX300 500 GB SSD (Boot)
Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD
OCZ Agility 250 GB SSD
Samsung 850 Evo 500 GB
Crucial MX300 750 GB SSD (pretty much for Steam)
Corsair AX-860 860 Watt 80+Platinum PSU (Paid less than $100 for it)
Corsair Air 540 case
$20 DVD burner
27.5" Dell 1440p/144Hz G-Sync (TN)Monitor
Creative Labs 3D Recon - Fataliity Edition Sound card
Turtle Beach DSS Surround Sound processor for headphones.

10 years ago I was all into the million blue LED's and lights and shit. Now I think I would want something that was sleek and simple with no windows or LED. I do like backlit keyboards since I am awake all night tho.

Consoles are a pain for my own cramped living circumstances. Needing different machines for different games, and then there's the whole fragmentation issue and...

By this point, I've just stopped caring. If there's anything that aint coming out on PC*, I guess I'll just never play it. :)

*Of course, the Mega Drive and Master System are forever hooked up!

yeah i've never had near the amount of issues playing on PC, hell GOG and Steam make playing a breeze. maybe if you're using pirated stuff yeah it takes a little longer to setup but shit's so cheap nowadays it's almost not worth it. consoles are cool, but i can't even remember when i turned on my ps4, yet today i was rocking doom 2016, wolfenstein 2, cuphead and arma 3 on my tv using my nvidia shield. plenty of options out there, though it does cost more.

^ Never pirated a game. Always have bought them.

Btw for those with soundcards. Why?! Not much point anymore. The early 00s..sure I guess. In 2018..seems like it would be for placebo effect and kinda shocked they still make sound cards.

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^ Never pirated a game. Always have bought them.

Btw for those with soundcards. Why?! Not much point anymore. The early 00s..sure I guess. In 2018..seems like it would be for placebo effect and kinda shocked they still make sound cards.

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You'll get better signal to noise ratio with a sound card, unless you buy a really high end motherboard. Creative Sound cards support the Dolby Digital Live license, while you'll have to pay for the license for most onboard sound chips. You also have support for features like Scout Mode, where you can hear the footsteps of an enemy approaching you from behind.

I was wondering why this thing came with Dolby stickers. Just thought it was one of those made with such and such sound.