How has the 8th gen of systems been for you?

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Originally Posted by zyrobs

Nvidia and Intels earnings are high because they sell millions of chips for the datacentre, server, HPC and automotive industries. Intel chips are also used in NAS, IoT, as modems in phones, you could go on forever. Gaming hardware is a drop in the ocean.

A better comparison is AMD, who barely had competitive products before Zen; they instead supplied chips to four major consoles, and it was barely enough to keep them afloat.

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AMD sold those console chips with a very small profit margin. Their desktop CPUs were getting trounced by Intel for quite a long time, as well as their server CPUs. The introduction of the thread-ripper CPU has caused major ripples for Intel's server market, but Zen has also caused a major reaction from Intel in the consumer market, where they've reacted by releasing 10 different CPUs to combat AMD's higher core count (lower priced) CPUs.

Nvidia's value has skyrocketed because of their investment in deep learning, which is part of the automobile industry's smart/self driving cars. But, we are witnessing with their RTX graphics cards (gaming), they've sold out before they were even available for the consumer. They'd also had a supply shortage when their Pascal graphics cards were 1st introduced.

Intel's consumer grade CPU, the i7-8700k, has been in short supply for quite some time. That CPU is an enthusiast PC gaming product. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Prices....336474.0.html

Nvidia is back in the console side of things as well.

Nintendo Switch?

Yeah. Just stock X1's so not costing them much of anything.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

I, as a PC gamer, didn’t buy an Xbox One, because I have a PC in the living room that I game on like a console. .

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That's you, . I just asked you why is it that in Ubisoft, Activision, EA reports for sales in 2017 the console versions sold better to their PC versions ?. MS btw not only make money off the console gamer, but also off you, the PC gamer too.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

That's you, . I just asked you why is it that in Ubisoft, Activision, EA reports for sales in 2017 the console versions sold better to their PC versions ?. MS btw not only make money off the console gamer, but also off you, the PC gamer too.

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It's not just me. I'd bought an Xbox 360, because it had exclusives like Bioshock and Mass Effect that couldn't be played on any other platform at the time of their release. The Xbox 360 and PS3 were also significantly more powerful than the PC I could afford at the time of their release.

I've provided you with a source that shows PC gaming software sales are pretty much even with console software sales. How about you provide something to backs up the notion that those companies saw a significant profit margin for console, over the PC versions?

I'll help you out. PUBG was a much more popular title than Far Cry 5 on PC, and the way more popular than any console game ever produced, League of Legends was still sitting at #2.

https://www.tweaktown.com/image.php?...rimal_full.png

PUBG had sold 50 million copies on PC and Xbox One, yet the Xbox One version doesn't even appear on the console charts.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/19/17...ber-of-players

Isn't XBX selling at a loss? Their recent exclusives aside from Forza has not been setting the world on fire in sales or reception. MS won't comment on sales just hours played. When they do comment on something like Halo they just mention money like "best launch ever" in money made but don't take the context of inflation like Halo 3 in 2007 would easily beat out Halo 5. Xbox brand was never a massive money maker. 360 lost money first few years esp as Red Ring cost them a cool billion. OG Xbox lost them over 4 billion. I'm sure they made money at times esp on game sales during 360 era but overall it seems they lose more than they gain from gamers.

EDIT: Well if it's not selling at a loss it isn't making a profit. Phil has confirmed that much. https://www.businessinsider.com/xbox...ncer-e3-2017-6


Also, most PC gamers use Steam rather than MS Store (which is hot garbage)

So far so good, although since I only really bought the PS4 for STGs and other arcade-style JP stuff, I'm now getting a little envious of the Switch on account of the Psykyo collections and the upcoming Darius comp and Ninja Warriors game. I really didn't want to have to pick up a Switch as well but we'll see what happens I guess.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

It's not just me. I'd bought an Xbox 360, because it had exclusives like Bioshock and Mass Effect that couldn't be played on any other platform at the time of their release. The Xbox 360 and PS3 were also significantly more powerful than the PC I could afford at the time of their release.

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I'm not just on about the XBox, but consoles which include the PS4.

You say the PC gaming market is bigger, I just like to know why EA, Ubisoft, Take-Two, Activision main AAA games sell better on the consoles than PC if that was the case; Given these aren't exclusive games?

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PUBG had sold 50 million copies on PC and Xbox One, yet the Xbox One version doesn't even appear on the console charts

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You are being very misleading there, Pubg sold over 3 million copies on the X Bone One alone in the 1st month and that was for a Beta version, the 50 million sales include sales of the Android version too, which one could really say is the biggest gaming platform of all and far bigger than the PC's and consoles . So Those sales are hardly exclusive to the PC and Pubg is hardly sold better than any console game to date, GTA 5 has sold more on the consoles alone.
So I just like to know why after all you say Doom, Battlefield, Far Cry, Fifa, Resident Evil , Monster World, COD and most of the big AAA games from the 3rd parties this gen, sell better on the console compared to the PC versions of the same games?

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Originally Posted by SegataS

Isn't XBX selling at a loss? Their recent exclusives aside from Forza has not been setting the world on fire in sales or reception.

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No, The XBox division hasn't posted a single loss this gen, and actually making more profits this gen. Forza 7, Forza Horizon 3 and 4 are multi-million sellers.

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Also, most PC gamers use Steam rather than MS Store

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God grow up and stop acting like a fanboy and have a look at most minimum spec's of PC games, even ones on Steam and you'll need 2 things, in 99% of cases. A version of Windows and a GFX Card with Direct-X. Remind me again who owns and makes Windows and Direct X?; That may explain why MS makes more money in a Quarter than Nvidia will make in a whole year.
BTW MS also owns the 2nd best selling game of all time too.

I wish someone would call me a Steam fanboy...

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Originally Posted by gamevet

But, we are witnessing with their RTX graphics cards (gaming), they've sold out before they were even available for the consumer. They'd also had a supply shortage when their Pascal graphics cards were 1st introduced.

Intel's consumer grade CPU, the i7-8700k, has been in short supply for quite some time. That CPU is an enthusiast PC gaming product. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Prices....336474.0.html

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The 2080 rtx has a 545mm2 die so I imagine they don't have really high yields for it. Plus it was paper launched, so of course it "sold out" before being even available. The 8700k was also paper launched to combat Ryzen.

Short supply doesn't always mean high demand, sometimes it just means a really short supply.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

I wish someone would call me a Steam fanboy...

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Tbh I'm just waiting for the Android fanboys to quite rightly point out that the Mobile phone and Android is the biggest gaming platform in the world.

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Originally Posted by SegataS

Yeah it's been hard to keep up. I have had to put many games I want on a wish list instead of buying them.Last year my PS4 I bought a new game for it seemed almost weekly on both 3rd party games and exclusives and this year my Switch took a turn and next year looks like both. My Wallet May Cry. January it's Travis Strikes again and then March hits with Left Alive and DMCV and so much more. I'm usually buying retro games but not had the money with all these new games.

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Yeah. I feel the same way this gen. It probably also has to do with the fact that it has greatly catered to that retro-esque market need with all the 2D titles, the Metroidvanias and compilations. I feel very satisfied to the point where I would just buy retro games for collecting purposes.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

I wish someone would call me a Steam fanboy...

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Thought I was a Nintendo fanboy. Now I'm a Steam Fanboy (who almost never uses it and never bought a Steam game...all mine were free) ....oh wait maybe he means this shit game!

https://i.imgur.com/7REqlLc.jpg


Ok, you found my secret my entire collection is 640 copies of this game alone! I run the fan club and we have petitioned to get it ported to Switch! There are dozens of us! DOZENS!


TA you're an idiot but that gave me a good laugh.