How has the 8th gen of systems been for you?

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10-19-2018, 01:30 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by zyrobs

The 2080 rtx has a 545mm2 die so I imagine they don't have really high yields for it. Plus it was paper launched, so of course it "sold out" before being even available. The 8700k was also paper launched to combat Ryzen.

Short supply doesn't always mean high demand, sometimes it just means a really short supply.

The 8700k has been in short supply for about 4 months now. It was the top selling CPU for nearly a year, but since Intel is revving up production of the Coffee Lake i9, i7 and i5, production of the 8700k has gone way down.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccftec...july-2018/amp/

The RTX 2080 Ti and 2080 were being pre-sold directly from Nvidia. They’d sold out about as quickly as they were being offered. Like the GTX 1080 Ti, getting either of those cards in the next several months is going to be very difficult.
10-19-2018, 01:51 PM
Team Andromeda

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Originally Posted by SegataS

Thought I was a Nintendo fanboy. Now I'm a Steam Fanboy (who almost never uses it and never bought a Steam game...all mine were free) ....oh wait maybe he means this shit game!

Its not all about you, you know and we all know you Love Nintendo anyway ;) . It was just a general witty comment and I'm guessing, not meant for anyone in-particular
10-19-2018, 02:29 PM
Leynos

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Originally Posted by gamevet

The 8700k has been in short supply for about 4 months now. It was the top selling CPU for nearly a year, but since Intel is revving up production of the Coffee Lake i9, i7 and i5, production of the 8700k has gone way down.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccftec...july-2018/amp/

The RTX 2080 Ti and 2080 were being pre-sold directly from Nvidia. They’d sold out about as quickly as they were being offered. Like the GTX 1080 Ti, getting either of those cards in the next several months is going to be very difficult.

My Laptop has a GTX 1060 6GB and an I7-7700. Nothing groundbreaking but it plays about anything modern I've thrown at it. I played some Killer Instinct, Re-Core(Xbox One game), and Warframe + more and all run really nicely. Warframe esp as it seems rock solid even with multiple people in Co-op. Not sure I have much of a point but I don't think most people even need a $1000 card to play modern games decently. In fact, this Laptop was $1049 before tax. So PC gaming and anyone with a semi-decent PC within the last 5 years can play most games. That is neat to me. It's more accessible than ever. Everyone has a PC but not everyone has a gaming console.
10-19-2018, 05:09 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by SegataS

My Laptop has a GTX 1060 6GB and an I7-7700. Nothing groundbreaking but it plays about anything modern I've thrown at it. I played some Killer Instinct, Re-Core(Xbox One game), and Warframe + more and all run really nicely. Warframe esp as it seems rock solid even with multiple people in Co-op. Not sure I have much of a point but I don't think most people even need a $1000 card to play modern games decently. In fact, this Laptop was $1049 before tax. So PC gaming and anyone with a semi-decent PC within the last 5 years can play most games. That is neat to me. It's more accessible than ever. Everyone has a PC but not everyone has a gaming console.

Your laptop is more powerful than an Xbox One X. I know of several people on these forums, including TA, that have more than capable gaming PC setups.

My old living room PC has an i5-2500k from 2011 and a GTX 780 Classified from 2013. It’s still a decent games PC, that’ll run every game better than the launch Xbox One and PS4.
10-19-2018, 05:11 PM
Leynos

It is? I thought 1060 can't do 4K.
10-19-2018, 05:33 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by SegataS

It is? I thought 1060 can't do 4K.

It’ll handle it about as well as the RX580 in the Xbox One X. They would have to turn down AA (really don’t need it for 4K) and some settings to medium/high.
10-19-2018, 08:20 PM
The Jackal

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Originally Posted by SegataS

MS Store (which is hot garbage)

Yep, it is.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

God grow up and stop acting like a fanboy and have a look at most minimum spec's of PC games, even ones on Steam and you'll need 2 things, in 99% of cases. A version of Windows and a GFX Card with Direct-X. Remind me again who owns and makes Windows and Direct X?; That may explain why MS makes more money in a Quarter than Nvidia will make in a whole year.
BTW MS also owns the 2nd best selling game of all time too.

Now who's sounding like the fanboy here? Not sure why you're taking offence to Segata pointing out a fact; the MS Store is widely mocked and UWP apps have not been adopted by the mainstream, regardless of how hard MS is trying to push it. It's been a massive flop for them and for good reason: no one wants MS to greenwall the PC market and monopolize it with their shitty DRM.

Fuck 'em. And that's coming from someone who loved their Xbox brand to the point I would say I am a fanboy of it.
10-19-2018, 08:43 PM
MrMatthews

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Originally Posted by SegataS

Thought I was a Nintendo fanboy. Now I'm a Steam Fanboy (who almost never uses it and never bought a Steam game...all mine were free) ....oh wait maybe he means this shit game!

https://i.imgur.com/7REqlLc.jpg

Easy there, Hoss.

I'm an Intelligent Systems fanboy.
10-19-2018, 09:09 PM
Leynos

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

Easy there, Hoss.

I'm an Intelligent Systems fanboy.

Lol I enjoy Fire Emblem (Shining Force is better :P ) But that game was pretty bad and it to me felt like a really bad wannabe Valkyria Chronicles. I bought and enjoyed what I played of VC4 and I'm sure to enjoy FE 3 houses next year.

@Jackal can't rep but would if I could.
10-20-2018, 03:06 AM
Team Andromeda

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Your laptop is more powerful than an Xbox One X. I know of several people on these forums, including TA, that have more than capable gaming PC setups.

My PC in 2000 was more powerful than my DC, but then it cost a hell of a lot more and the playing setup wasn't anywhere near as good or as easy and I really didn't care if House of the Dead II run in a Higher Res. With the OG XBox, I again had a better and more powerful PC set up, but I liked the console setup better and really didn't care or mind if HALO, Fable came to the PC. I never saw the PC and console as rivals. It's far more a bigger deal when a console title that is exclusive. And I never understand why so many PlayStation fanboys on the likes of Restetera had the little dig of well 'its out on PC', these are the same fanboys that no doubt rubbed Saturn owners faces in FF 7, Tomb Raider 2, MGS wasn't out on the Saturn (never mind they were out on the PC) or better yet, think they are being clever by getting the PC version and also have no issues that most PC games are only on Steam these days (but had issues over the XBox needing to log in online every week) .Any PC game in the 5 years or so we've had the One and PS4, will need a version of Windows and every game and GFX card will need Direct-X, which means billions for MS in fee's, never mind how MS also own a ton of middleware tools like Simplygon and the like. So MS not only have the console market, but they also have the PC gamer market and make plenty of money off both, even you gamevet.

In the end, I think the Switch is pretty poor, I really like and enjoy my PS Pro, love my PSVR and One X also think Gamepass and EA Access offers incredible value for gaming. I haven't enjoyed a gaming period, so much since the OG XBox and PS2 era
10-20-2018, 10:26 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

I'm not just on about the XBox, but consoles which include the PS4.

You say the PC gaming market is bigger, I just like to know why EA, Ubisoft, Take-Two, Activision main AAA games sell better on the consoles than PC if that was the case; Given these aren't exclusive games?

PC gamers don't like EA (Origin), and they most certainly don't like Ubisoft's Uplay service. They also prefer Battlefield to the more console friendly Call of Duty franchise, even if Battlefield is an EA franchise. The PC community also will rebel against any title that is borked by console settings, like locked 30fps, see Assassin's Creed: Black Flag and Batman: Arkham Knight.

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You are being very misleading there, Pubg sold over 3 million copies on the X Bone One alone in the 1st month and that was for a Beta version, the 50 million sales include sales of the Android version too, which one could really say is the biggest gaming platform of all and far bigger than the PC's and consoles . So Those sales are hardly exclusive to the PC and Pubg is hardly sold better than any console game to date, GTA 5 has sold more on the consoles alone.
So I just like to know why after all you say Doom, Battlefield, Far Cry, Fifa, Resident Evil , Monster World, COD and most of the big AAA games from the 3rd parties this gen, sell better on the console compared to the PC versions of the same games?

Not in the slightest. The sales numbers came right from the horses mouth.

https://www.pcgamer.com/for-the-firs...sale-on-steam/

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In the sale announcement post, PUBG Corp says that the game's combined Xbox and PC sales now total "over 50 million units worldwide." Include mobile players, and "over 87 million people play PUBG every day," it added.

That's 37 million mobile players vs. 50 Million PC and Xbox One players. The PC owns the lion's share of that PC/Xbox One user-base.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

My PC in 2000 was more powerful than my DC, but then it cost a hell of a lot more and the playing setup wasn't anywhere near as good or as easy and I really didn't care if House of the Dead II run in a Higher Res. With the OG XBox, I again had a better and more powerful PC set up, but I liked the console setup better and really didn't care or mind if HALO, Fable came to the PC. I never saw the PC and console as rivals. It's far more a bigger deal when a console title that is exclusive.

I highly doubt that your PC in 2001 had a GeForce 3 level graphics card. I'd call you a fool for spending thousands of dollars on a PC, to just turn around and play most of your games on an original XBox, if you had that sort of setup. My PC in 2003 was slightly more powerful than the original Xbox, but it still wouldn't run Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic at a decent frame-rate and would occasionally crash. It ran Halo fine and had DX9 lighting. I ended up getting the original Xbox in 2004, because it would run KOTOR better than my PC and it had exclusive titles like Panzer Dragoon Orta, Outrun 2, Project Gotham Racing and Forza.

There's a big difference between the old console market, and the current market that is pretty much a PC in a box. Controller support for PCs was crap back then, and so were many of the drivers. Some PC configurations wouldn't run as well as other configurations and vice versa. PC gaming really became more mainstream around 2010, when gamers could use Xbox 360 and other controllers with ease on the PC.

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And I never understand why so many PlayStation fanboys on the likes of Restetera had the little dig of well 'its out on PC', these are the same fanboys that no doubt rubbed Saturn owners faces in FF 7, Tomb Raider 2, MGS wasn't out on the Saturn (never mind they were out on the PC) or better yet, think they are being clever by getting the PC version and also have no issues that most PC games are only on Steam these days (but had issues over the XBox needing to log in online every week) .Any PC game in the 5 years or so we've had the One and PS4, will need a version of Windows and every game and GFX card will need Direct-X, which means billions for MS in fee's, never mind how MS also own a ton of middleware tools like Simplygon and the like. So MS not only have the console market, but they also have the PC gamer market and make plenty of money off both, even you gamevet.

In the end, I think the Switch is pretty poor, I really like and enjoy my PS Pro, love my PSVR and One X also think Gamepass and EA Access offers incredible value for gaming. I haven't enjoyed a gaming period, so much since the OG XBox and PS2 era

I honestly don't know what this garbled mess is all about. I will respond to the part I've put in bold. PC developers (and consoles to some extent) are trying to move to other tools like Vulkan. Vulkan is way more efficient than DX12, with its bloated code. Even my GTX 780 and 1080 ran DOOM better with Vulkan, than with openGL. My current operating system on 2 PC (Windows 10) was given to me by MS, because they want everyone on-board with DX12 and their MS store. I could get a Windows 10 key code for $15, so that's not exactly lining MS's pockets either. And, as you are pointing out, MS gets more from licensing their middleware, than they actually get from the sales of their Xbox One console. The Xbox One X is a pittance to them. If they cared about sales, they would have secured more exclusive titles for the console on day one, and they barely even tried to do that.
10-20-2018, 11:27 PM
Leynos

Willing to bet PS5 uses Vulkan and OpenGL. The switch supports Vulkan and OpenGL. DX is lagging behind Vulkan. I want to see Vulkan become more widely adopted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpr556XU-K0&t=30s
10-21-2018, 09:18 AM
Team Andromeda

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Originally Posted by gamevet

PC gamers don't like EA (Origin), and they most certainly don't like Ubisoft's Uplay service. They also prefer Battlefield to the more console friendly Call of Duty franchise, even if Battlefield is an EA franchise. The PC community also will rebel against any title that is borked by console settings, like locked 30fps, see Assassin's Creed: Black Flag and Batman: Arkham Knight.

Not in the slightest. The sales numbers came right from the horses mouth.

https://www.pcgamer.com/for-the-firs...sale-on-steam/

That's 37 million mobile players vs. 50 Million PC and Xbox One players. The PC owns the lion's share of that PC/Xbox One user-base.

I highly doubt that your PC in 2001 had a GeForce 3 level graphics card. I'd call you a fool for spending thousands of dollars on a PC, to just turn around and play most of your games on an original XBox, if you had that sort of setup. My PC in 2003 was slightly more powerful than the original Xbox, but it still wouldn't run Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic at a decent frame-rate and would occasionally crash. It ran Halo fine and had DX9 lighting. I ended up getting the original Xbox in 2004, because it would run KOTOR better than my PC and it had exclusive titles like Panzer Dragoon Orta, Outrun 2, Project Gotham Racing and Forza.

There's a big difference between the old console market, and the current market that is pretty much a PC in a box. Controller support for PCs was crap back then, and so were many of the drivers. Some PC configurations wouldn't run as well as other configurations and vice versa. PC gaming really became more mainstream around 2010, when gamers could use Xbox 360 and other controllers with ease on the PC.

I honestly don't know what this garbled mess is all about. I will respond to the part I've put in bold. PC developers (and consoles to some extent) are trying to move to other tools like Vulkan. Vulkan is way more efficient than DX12, with its bloated code. Even my GTX 780 and 1080 ran DOOM better with Vulkan, than with openGL. My current operating system on 2 PC (Windows 10) was given to me by MS, because they want everyone on-board with DX12 and their MS store. I could get a Windows 10 key code for $15, so that's not exactly lining MS's pockets either. And, as you are pointing out, MS gets more from licensing their middleware, than they actually get from the sales of their Xbox One console. The Xbox One X is a pittance to them. If they cared about sales, they would have secured more exclusive titles for the console on day one, and they barely even tried to do that.

I simply asked why the likes of Cod, Battlefield, Resident Evil and the like sell better on the Consoles. My 2002 Pentium 4 PC was way more powerful than the OG XBox and the likes of Outrun 2 was hardly exclusivel on the OG.

Also you very helpfully listed all your PCs all are Windows and all have a direct X Compatible GFX card, so MS does very well off you and that's before we even look at games that supports Windows and Direct X. Also I can't think of a major GFX card that doesn't support Direct X, can you. Any card that support Direct X has to pay for that right.

SO MS does well off you PC gamers, and this gen has made billions off the XBox One, thanks in no small part to record Gold subscriptions the most profitable part of the XBox division.
10-21-2018, 11:06 AM
BonusKun

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

I simply asked why the likes of Cod, Battlefield, Resident Evil and the like sell better on the Consoles.

Because casual gamers don't want to fuck around with PCs, They want to have a disc, pop it in the system and play the game.
10-21-2018, 12:19 PM
StuOhQ

There's been some really good stuff, but I'm not sure this generation has a strong identity in the way that past gens have. I'm sure I'll look back more favorably once I'm able to gobble up a large collection of the titles from bargain bins.

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