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12-17-2019, 06:43 PM
Team Andromeda

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Originally Posted by Kaze Okami

Anyone else remember when Sony said the PS2 could render Toy Story in real time? What about when they said George Lucas claimed the PS3 could render the effects in Episode III but quickly removed the quote after he claimed he said no such thing?

They also said the PSX could handle 500,000 polygons LOL.
12-17-2019, 10:07 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by Yharnamresident

The first PS4 game I played was GTA V. Its a crappy pay-to-win game with tacked-on single player, but it showed a lot of the new graphical effects of 8th gen consoles. In January 2015, we got Wolfenstein: The New Order. That was the game that finally showed us what the PS4 is capable of, it ran at 1080P 60FPS with insane polycounts and effects. We were truly blown away.

GTA V has an awesome single player campaign. It's miles deeper than an GTA game before it, including IV. I liked it so much, I ended up trading in my PS3 copy for a PS4 version, after I got the PS4. I later got the game for the PC. I've never played the online part of GTA V.

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Originally Posted by Yharnamresident

I was serious, and I absolutely hate GTA V. Also its not the same situation. GTA V was designed solely as a PS3/360 game, they then remastered it for PS4/Xbone. Wolfenstein was developed in parallel for PS3/360 and PS4/Xbone.

It wasn't a simple remaster for the PS4 or Xbone. They redid graphics assests and added additional details that the PS3/360 hardware couldn't handle.
12-18-2019, 01:32 AM
zyrobs

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Originally Posted by SegataS

lol the PS2 68 Million polys was BS by Sony. Not a single PS2 game comes even remotely close to that. The 68 million PPS was fully untextured and no lighting. If we go by that Gamecube could likely do more and Xbox probably well over 100PPS with zero textures or effects of any kind. Nintendo said Gamecube could do 6-12 Million PPS with textures.lighting effects and such. You really think a system with a better GPU/CPU and more ram is really that much less powerful than PS2?

PS2 75 million number was a theoretical fillrate max, not something you'd ever see in game. But, the console is theoretically capable of it - the same way the PSX can theoretically do 1 million polygons per sec, the Saturn can do 500k, and so on.
12-18-2019, 01:37 AM
Leynos

I know. Just Sony at that time liked to brainwash people into thinking it would do that in-game. How they sold their shit. As mentioned they claimed it could do Toy Story. Also I pretty much said that in the post you quoted.
12-23-2019, 01:37 AM
Yharnamresident

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

It's not just SONY to be fair (they more take the mick for fake demo's). I can't think of any Dreamcast game that does 3 million polygons a sec (ok some get close) and at the start, SOJ said all DC games would run at 60 fps (when even Sonic Adv was running at 30 fps)
I seem to remember someone at Microsoft making out that 1) That Raven demo was real and only used 25% of the system power and 2) the Xbox could pump out over 150 million polygons per sec, never mind the clock speed of the GPU and the CPU was put back a little
I also seem to remember someone at Nintendo saying the N64 would support HDTV's in Japan LOL

I think all consoles manufacture love to use theoretical limits, rather than actual real-world limits :)

You've seen me do the research. The Dreamcast doing 3 million PPS is insanely accurate, in fact as early as mid-2001, Giga Wing 2 would max out at 3 million PPS. Its the same with the GameCube's 6-12 million PPS, we've seen games hit these numbers.

Sony deserved to win the 6th gen, but there were a few aspects where they didn't do things fair and square.

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They also said the PSX could handle 500,000 polygons LOL.

This is what the first Tokyo Xtreme Racer runs at. Its quite a bit different than any PS1 game I'd say.
12-23-2019, 01:50 AM
Yharnamresident

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Originally Posted by gamevet

GTA V has an awesome single player campaign. It's miles deeper than an GTA game before it, including IV. I liked it so much, I ended up trading in my PS3 copy for a PS4 version, after I got the PS4. I later got the game for the PC. I've never played the online part of GTA V.

I can't agree. The single player in GTA IV felt like it had so much more effort put into it, theres so much more tasks and activities to do. And with GTA V, it feels like you're playing a single player campaign in a game world designed for multiplayer. The game world feels like a GTA version of COD, this big circular map with a battle area and war bunkers in the countryside.
12-23-2019, 01:58 AM
zyrobs

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Originally Posted by SegataS

I know. Just Sony at that time liked to brainwash people into thinking it would do that in-game. How they sold their shit. As mentioned they claimed it could do Toy Story. Also I pretty much said that in the post you quoted.

It COULD do 75m polys in-game, though. But it wouldn't be a really good looking game since it would have nothing but, like, 4x4x4 opaque untextured triangles with no special effects involved. Maybe it could make for an interesting audio visualization program?

The toy story thing was just marketing bullshit, not any different from Blast Processing.
12-23-2019, 03:05 AM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by Yharnamresident

I can't agree. The single player in GTA IV felt like it had so much more effort put into it, theres so much more tasks and activities to do. And with GTA V, it feels like you're playing a single player campaign in a game world designed for multiplayer. The game world feels like a GTA version of COD, this big circular map with a battle area and war bunkers in the countryside.

Not at all. You could fly a helicopter anywhere over the massive map, or steal a jet fighter from an airbase. You also had a storyline for Franklin, Trevor or Micheal in V, while IV was all about Nico. Everything in IV was about driving cars, delivering packages and shooting people. It had very little beyond that, unless you wanted to play Virtual Pool, bowling or Darts. The online part if IV was all in self contained arenas as well.
12-23-2019, 03:16 AM
Yharnamresident

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Originally Posted by zyrobs

The toy story thing was just marketing bullshit, not any different from Blast Processing.

7.67 MHz. How the hell you gonna respond to something like that?

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Not at all. You could fly a helicopter anywhere over the massive map, or steal a jet fighter from an airbase. You also had a storyline for Franklin, Trevor or Micheal in V, while IV was all about Nico. Everything in IV was about driving cars, delivering packages and shooting people. It had very little beyond that, unless you wanted to play Virtual Pool, bowling or Darts. The online part if IV was all in self contained arenas as well.

I never played the online part of GTA IV, but if it wasn't impressive then this shows they did swap their priorities from single player to multiplayer.
12-23-2019, 04:25 AM
Team Andromeda

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Originally Posted by Yharnamresident

You've seen me do the research. The Dreamcast doing 3 million PPS is insanely accurate, in fact as early as mid-2001, Giga Wing 2 would max out at 3 million PPS. Its the same with the GameCube's 6-12 million PPS, we've seen games hit these numbers.

I've been gaming since 1984 and been so used to console makers hyping up their systems, using theoretical limits, rather than in-game limits with AI and player control Ect. My main issue with SONY is their fake demo's and how they seem to be able to get away with fake demo's, horrible systems to develop for, spin with regards to SONY PS2 Online plains. It's hard to beat SONY or 3DO for sheer spin and lies

But when you're number one, you can get away with it.
12-23-2019, 12:06 PM
Yharnamresident

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

I've been gaming since 1984 and been so used to console makers hyping up their systems, using theoretical limits, rather than in-game limits with AI and player control Ect. My main issue with SONY is their fake demo's and how they seem to be able to get away with fake demo's, horrible systems to develop for, spin with regards to SONY PS2 Online plains. It's hard to beat SONY or 3DO for sheer spin and lies

But when you're number one, you can get away with it.

Of course. If you guys wanna see bullshit marketing, why don't we post that 3D0 M2 gameplay footage?
12-23-2019, 01:42 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by Yharnamresident

I never played the online part of GTA IV, but if it wasn't impressive then this shows they did swap their priorities from single player to multiplayer.

The multiplayer was nothing more than team death match using various levels from the game. The coolest one was the airport, where you could have one person driving, while the other is shooting from the passenger seat. There were no online missions like V. Actually, I take it back that I didn’t play V online. I seem to remember someone chasing me and trying to blow up my car. I got out of my car and sniper shot them.

I think that the only difference between IV and V is that IV got single player DLC and V did not, but IV had a much smaller world to explore. And besides, the DLC for IV wasn’t all that great. I never did finish the Lost and Damned, because all of the missions were lame, and I never got to the Ballad of Gay Tony because of that. The team at GTA V obviously took a jab at Lost and Damned, when they made a mission where Trevor destroyed the trailer court that the gang was living in and Trevor stomped the head (killed) of the main character you played in that expansion.

Yeah, I hate Trevor’s character, because he was an all-around A-hole, but there were moments where he cracked me up. There was one moment (I’ve never been able to duplicate) where he stole a car and the radio was playing chick music. Trevor started cussing and change the radio to a hard rock station.
12-23-2019, 01:45 PM
Leynos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y00qtLfxqoI
12-23-2019, 02:23 PM
gamevet

That was spot on Trevor! 😂
12-23-2019, 03:09 PM
zyrobs

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Originally Posted by Yharnamresident

7.67 MHz. How the hell you gonna respond to something like that?

256 colour sprites, mode 7, hardware scaling, 64 bits, 75/150/250/500 million polygons, Emotion Engine, raytracing, how are you going to respond to something like that? eh? eh?

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