32X vs. 3DO vs. Jaguar

Now, I think that the 32X is great. There's not many games, but most of the games are good. Many people say that Doom on the 32X sucks and the Snes-port is 100 times better. No, the 32X-port is way, way better then the Snes-port. The 32X-port of Doom is not just better then the Snes-port, it's the best FPS on any console by Sega untill the Dreamcast. Yeah! The music isn't that bad, you get use to it actually and it's better then nothing. The sound effects are great. And the best is the gameplay. The control, the levels and everything else is just perfect! It's very easy to get use tothe controls and it's absolutley one of the best ports of Doom. The only bad thing I can say is just that five levels missing, but you have to live with that ;)

Put on your flame shield, Nissling... :P

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Originally Posted by nissling

The 32X-port of Doom is not just better then the Snes-port, it's the best FPS on any console by Sega untill the Dreamcast.

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Quake, Duke Nukem, Powerslave/Exhumed, all on the Saturn, all better than the 32X port of Doom, it's actually quite funny that you say that too as the FPS genre was one of the Saturn's few strengths, along with fighting games, and if you imported from Japan scrolling shooters.

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Originally Posted by jesus.arnold

Quake, Duke Nukem, Powerslave/Exhumed, all on the Saturn, all better than the 32X port of Doom, it's actually quite funny that you say that too as the FPS genre was one of the Saturn's few strengths, along with fighting games, and if you imported from Japan scrolling shooters.

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yeah, what about Alien trilogy and hexen??!! These were great FPSs and I'm not a huge FPS guy but these games rule.

One of the saturn's few strengths? It has some amazing 2-D platformers (Rayman...best version, Shinobi, Skeleton Warriors, Megaman games, NighTs,) and really cool shooters: In the Hunt, Darius Gaiden, and it also has the best versions of D, Mansion of Hidden souls and Sega Ralley Championship. It's got a great lineup, I'd say the FPSs can be skipped altogether and it's still not a weak system, even 3D wise. Resident Evil's graphics aren't quite as sharp on the Saturn but the differences are so insignificant that AFAIC it doesn't make a bit of difference.

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Originally Posted by Tanegashima

One of the saturn's few strengths? It has some amazing 2-D platformers (Rayman...best version, Shinobi, Skeleton Warriors, Megaman games, NighTs,) .

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The Saturn's 2D Platformer library is completely obliterated by the PS1's platformer library so it could be hardly called a strength of the system, Also Nights is not a platformer. The Saturn's architecture was much better suited to FPS games than the PS1 so all FPS games on the Saturn usually blew their ps1 equivalents away, which is why I would call it a strength.

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Originally Posted by Tanegashima

and really cool shooters: In the Hunt, Darius Gaiden, and it also has the best versions of D, Mansion of Hidden souls and Sega Ralley Championship. It's got a great lineup, I'd say the FPSs can be skipped altogether and it's still not a weak system, .

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now your just naming a few games here and there, yes, if you include imports then the Saturn also has a strength where it come to scrolling shoot-em-ups (as I said earlier), but just because the Saturn had a few good games of a certain genre here and there does not make it a strong point of the system.

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Originally Posted by Tanegashima

even 3D wise. Resident Evil's graphics aren't quite as sharp on the Saturn but the differences are so insignificant that AFAIC it doesn't make a bit of difference.

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Having a game that has been available for years on another system, and still isn't as good, as well as missing out on all said games sequels is far from being a strength of the system.

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Originally Posted by jesus.arnold

The Saturn's 2D Platformer library is completely obliterated by the PS1's platformer library

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Uh, what? All I can think of that Playstation has over Saturn would be Klonoa, Oddworld, and Adventures of Lomax. Good games, but that hardly "obliterates" Astal, Clockwork Knight, and Mr. Bones.

The only platformer I really like on the PSX is Heart of Darkness and it originally was going to be the launch title for the Saturn but was delayed I think until the last year/months of the saturn and was released on the PSX.

Mr. Bones is so amazingly jawausome that it alone blows PSX out of the water. Yes the import shooter library for the Saturn needs to be counted btw, in all fairness. Therefor the Saturn just kicks the shit out of the PSX (as it did in Japan, the Saturn way outsold sony in Japan and was supported longer too). The sheer number of arcade ports, the fact that Capcom actually put effort into all of it's Sega ports (all Sony capcom ports from this era really are lacking to say the least, especially megaman and street fighter).

Also, do you expect me to name every game released on the damn system, I can't even remember all the games I own for the saturn, those popped to mind first.

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Originally Posted by Tanegashima

Therefor the Saturn just kicks the shit out of the PSX (as it did in Japan, the Saturn way outsold sony in Japan and was supported longer too). The sheer number of arcade ports, the fact that Capcom actually put effort into all of it's Sega ports (all Sony capcom ports from this era really are lacking to say the least, especially megaman and street fighter).

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The Saturn's most succesful region was Japan, but it was nowhere near the 21 million Playstations sold in that country.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps_e.html

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

I admit I have also had problems with my 32X. It was bought used. There were roachers in the AC holes, so I figured the unit might be dirty as well. It was and I cleaned it. Most problems were gone, but it happened that it freezed occasionally and some sound channels "died" all of a sudden. Then I started cleaning my games. After that, I've never had any problems again. I use the first superior Mega Drive model by the way.

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I've cleaned the 32X and cartridges and didn't see much of an improvement. :(

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Originally Posted by gamevet

The Saturn's most succesful region was Japan, but it was nowhere near the 21 million Playstations sold in that country.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps_e.html

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The Saturn did outsell the Playstation in Japan for a time, though. The 21 million figure isn't really a relevant comparison, since the Saturn was discontinued in 1998 and they were selling PSOne's until, what, 2004?

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Originally Posted by j_factor

The Saturn did outsell the Playstation in Japan for a time, though. The 21 million figure isn't really a relevant comparison, since the Saturn was discontinued in 1998 and they were selling PSOne's until, what, 2004?

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You should check out the chart posted in that link. Sony shipped/sold near 3.5 million units in Japan in 1997, and the total was 10 million by the end of that year. They already had 6.5 million units shipped/sold by March of 1997.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

You should check out the chart posted in that link. Sony shipped/sold near 3.5 million units in Japan in 1997, and the total was 10 million by the end of that year. They already had 6.5 million units shipped/sold by March of 1997.

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First of all, that's shipped, not sold, so those numbers don't mean much. Secondly, I don't know why you're bringing up 1997. I said Saturn outsold Playstation for a time, and it did. Remember that the two systems launched in 1994. You know what happened in 1997? Final Fantasy VII. At that point Playstation pulled ahead. That's still a significant gap of time, though.

I guess Saturn never "way" outsold Playstation, but it was ahead for a while.

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Originally Posted by j_factor

but that hardly "obliterates" Astal, Clockwork Knight, and Mr. Bones.

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god it must've been worse than I thought, you couldn't even think of 3 stand-out games, I mean Clockwork Knight? seriously?, it's a good game but hardly anything worth writing home about, the same goes for Mr Bones which looked very impressive for the time but has aged terribly now.

Playstation doesn't have Shinobi X, case closed

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Originally Posted by Tanegashima

Therefore the Saturn just kicks the shit out of the PSX

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The only thing the Saturn "kicks the shit out of the PS1" in is fighting games, thats it.

In the beginning it "kicked the shit out of the ps1" in first person shooters, because in was technologically more geared to handling them, but eventually the PS1 managed to supercede it due to it's ease of programming. longer lifespan, and large amount of exclusives in that genre.