Nope. It has a convergence menu. Plus, DLPs as rear project TVs didn't show up until later? They were also thinner/lighter because they didn't need to house 3 CRTs like traditional RP HD sets.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
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Nope. It has a convergence menu. Plus, DLPs as rear project TVs didn't show up until later? They were also thinner/lighter because they didn't need to house 3 CRTs like traditional RP HD sets.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
3 CRTs? It was a giant red bulb, green bulb and blue bulb? I've always wondered how rear projection LCDs worked, because they looked alot like that set.
Hmmm? It is tubes. It seems like bulbs would have been just fine, to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear-p...ion_television
Rear projection CRT. I know it doesn't look like a CRT but that does appear to be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
So it seems in 1998, if you wanted a HDTV then the only option was rear projection TVs. Although I'm not too sure about HD CRTs, I can't find any 1998 models.
The reason I think this, is I'm looking at 1998 720p Plasmas, they would've costed a gargantuan $25,000. If you could afford that then it would've been worth it though, you could still literally be using those TVs 10 years later for PS3 and 360 games.
Tho component cables only I presume. Side note. Some already forgot this but how nuts is how 7th gen systems always came with composite cables. It took until Wii U to come with HDMI.
Well, I posted about those professional displays that Digital Convergence was using, on the (7h post) 1st page. It's been so long ago, that I don't remember what connections they were using beyond VGA.
Bulbs? What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
The issues with rear projection TVs (and front project that use CRTs as well), is that you need align them as they'll drift over time. It's done through a convergence setup (different types of grid system). The hitachi HD RP set I owned, had an auto-convergence button as well as a manual mode (all adjustments are still digital). PR sets also had different size CRTs. So while the res might be the same, the quality or crispness of the final projection depend on the size of the CRTs; 9", 10", 11", etc "cans" and size of the screen. RP CRT sets, SD or HD, were more susceptible to burnin because the CRTs had to run with a much brighter output. The hitachi HD set that I owned, could show 1080i in 4:3 mode, or 1080i in 16:9 mode with no resolution loss because the beam simply wouldn't start drawing at the very top or bottom (like adjusting v-size on an old CRT). Hitachi made some badass RP HD sets.
Theres some people that even wonder why the OG Xbox doesn't support HDMI, even though the reason is blatantly obvious, the HDMI format wasn't finalized until December 2002. So no TV older than the mid 2000s is gonna be supporting HDMI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leynos
Also Adam Koralik is constantly bashing Sony and Microsoft in his unboxing videos for including composite cables with the PS3 and 360.
HDTVs were new stuff for most of the 6th gen, so the majority of people did not have HDMI capable sets for so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leynos
The 360 didn't even have HDMI output on the first model. I remember big fuss being made about it.
It's like when the Saturn came out with SCART RGB cables in the UK, and the parents were bitching because they couldn't use the machine at all with their old telly. Some stores even made pack-in RF units as a selling point! Then by the time the majority of people had RGB SCART cables, in a classic SEGA move, they launched the Dreamcast with RF cables by default.
I was merely wondering why they had chose to use CRTs to project the image on screen. I remember seeing (late 70's) a projection setup at the local bowling alley, that used 3 different large colored bulbs (in a box) that would project an image onto a screen just 7 or 8 feet away, with an amazing image quality. My aunt and uncle had bought a used rear projection 4:3 big screen that had alignment issues that you are referring to. Why did the bulps go out of alignment, while the CRTs (supposedly) didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by turboxray
I have a Sony KV-32HS420 that came out in 2004. It has HDMI input, as well as component, S-video and Composite. I was using the original Xbox with Compontent for 480p gaming in late 2004.Quote:
Originally Posted by zyrobs
https://www.cnet.com/reviews/sony-kv-32hs420-review/
I'll assume you meant 7th gen.Quote:
Originally Posted by zyrobs
The best solution would've been to include component/composite hybrid cables with the PS3 and 360. I actually own some 1st-party ones for my 360. They were just trying to save manufacturing costs by including composite cables.
That must be one of the earliest TVs ever with HDMI.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Those "bulbs" are CRTs. A cathode ray tube doesn't mean it's specifically what you see as a "TV set".Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Having them as triplet set gives greater brightness (and throw) with three of them (and reduces the burnin or fading of the phosphors by 1/3). CRT rear (and front) projection SD and HD sets are the exact same thing as what you described in the bowling alley.
There isn't one single CRT "bulb" or tube in RP sets, that I've ever seen. It would be pretty weak.
A regular single CRT HD or SD set (not projection) doesn't drift out of alignment because all three "guns" are inside the tube (it's extremely stable). I mean, technically they could drift.. but it's more likely to be a problem in the circuitry than the guns themselves. But you'll know it when you see it because white letters will have blue and red pixel bleed on either edges of it. In the case of triplet CRTs, remember that even the tiniest movement is affected by the multiplication factor of the throw distance. And being mounted to wood/plastic/metal, is subject to distortion/movement compared to being all inside a single tube (which is why you should do your convergence of a RP set when it's warmed up).
Pretty sure some of the $3k+ 2003 models had it.Quote:
That must be one of the earliest TVs ever with HDMI.
I put a wiki article (about the 3 CRT setup) in that same post you had quoted, but you decided to focus on the bulb comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by turboxray
Basically, there are 3 CRTs inside of the cabinet, with each one representing a color of either red, green or blue. So, like the 3 colored bulbs in a regular RPTV, you have 3 CRTs that have to be perfectly aligned to create the full image you see on screen. To me, it seems that the same problems that are inherent with the bulb setup, could also happen with the CRTs.
I did some research last night, the first HMDI TVs came out in late 2003. Gamevet's TV must've been released in mid-2004 so thats pretty close.Quote:
Originally Posted by turboxray
I specifically know that 2006 was the big year for HDMI. You had TVs, Blu-Ray players, and PS3 all supporting HDMI. Anything before 2006 with HDMI is rare.
Yes, mine came out in 2004. Philips had a widescreen HD CRT around that time as well, but I seem to recall that it might not have had HDMI.