Paprium: The Official Thread Mk 2

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Originally Posted by TulioAdriano

Here's the thing: Fonzie has outstanding skills in art and package. He works really hard to make any product look premium, complete and professional. You saw it on Pier Solar, all the color printed manuals, the flyers and posters, the book-like cardboard for the original release (which included even a magazine for posterity edition). You can count on a fantastic product release from the package perspective. All the materials that will be included, the quality, quantity, and the content will be excellent.

When it comes to the game itself, presentation will be great - graphics especially - and the music that GM303 made is outstanding. If it makes to the game on the same quality that it was sent to me, it will surely be a blast.

With all of that said, he could consciously sacrifice the gameplay polishing on the basis that it will be mostly forgiven due to the excellent package and presentation. Of course this is all speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me if it comes to pass as described.

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Everything that Tulio is saying here is true. let me clear a few things.

First, allot of care, time and $ has been spent on all aspect's of presentation for PAPRIUM, I know allot about it. I helped with ideas. Some are so far ahead in Fonzie wanting to accomplish that I wont even dare to spoil it this time.

Second just like Music, graphics and presentation have always been center stage something I poured allot of care and so did Fonzie.

And lastly, my only concern is gameplay...I have always asked for builds to test, played and sent feedback to Fonzie on how to improve gameplay and flow. I've played so many beat em Up's if not almost all in past years, doing research and wanting it to be tight and responsive. Now, did Fonzie fallow through on those ? Past December I was asked to help and polishing the game's gameplay, I sent him a reply and then, nothing. Haven't heard from him since? My only hope, because I care for what I helped create, is that he doesn't screw it up.

Project Y does not need to be a "SOR2 killer" to be worth risking the lifespan of your system
for a few hours (Assuming Fonzie didn't learn his lesson about proper voltage translation).

My minimum requirement would be to have it play better than Final Fight and at least parallel
the aforementioned Sonic Blastman II for the SNES. The latter is a worthy game with acceptable
gameplay, that's all I ask from Paprium.

Sonic Blastman 2 seems pretty bad from the few casual attempts I gave it. Or maybe not bad, but so mediocre.

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Originally Posted by XGoldenboyX

Everything that Tulio is saying here is true. let me clear a few things.

First, allot of care, time and $ has been spent on all aspect's of presentation for PAPRIUM, I know allot about it. I helped with ideas. Some are so far ahead in Fonzie wanting to accomplish that I wont even dare to spoil it this time.

Second just like Music, graphics and presentation have always been center stage something I poured allot of care and so did Fonzie.

And lastly, my only concern is gameplay...I have always asked for builds to test, played and sent feedback to Fonzie on how to improve gameplay and flow. I've played so many beat em Up's if not almost all in past years, doing research and wanting it to be tight and responsive. Now, did Fonzie fallow through on those ? Past December I was asked to help and polishing the game's gameplay, I sent him a reply and then, nothing. Haven't heard from him since? My only hope, because I care for what I helped create, is that he doesn't screw it up.

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Are you de facto play the game at least one time?

Can tell us, how you feel about the gameplay?

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Originally Posted by EPSYLON EAGLE

Are you de facto play the game at least one time?

Can tell us, how you feel about the gameplay?

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It was responsive, only issue I had at the time was the jump/ hit. Run/ jump/hit was a bit floaty and asked Fonzie if he could tighten it up so it feels like FF or Cadilac's and Dinausaurs. As far as combos and animations, hit detection goes , it seemed to be working well and he was adamant in making it as tight as possible. What was shown in the trailer is how I remember play testing it. My main concern was the flow and enemy waves.. I was told that it was being addressed. Everything else including special moves worked just fine. Will see how it ends up!

If work on Paprium had begun at the launch of the Mega Drive in Japan, we'd already be enjoying the Sega Saturn by now and losing interest in last generation's games.

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Originally Posted by XGoldenboyX

It was responsive, only issue I had at the time was the jump/ hit. Run/ jump/hit was a bit floaty and asked Fonzie if he could tighten it up so it feels like FF or Cadilac's and Dinausaurs. As far as combos and animations, hit detection goes , it seemed to be working well and he was adamant in making it as tight as possible. What was shown in the trailer is how I remember play testing it. My main concern was the flow and enemy waves.. I was told that it was being addressed. Everything else including special moves worked just fine. Will see how it ends up!

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Thanks!

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Originally Posted by stika

Yesterday I interviewed Lion.

Hoping to get Luis and Groovemaster soon.

Sadly, I can't seem to get in touch with the project N programmer. All I have is his skype. I don't know how else to contact him.

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I have to say, I don't really like the idea of you doing an exposé on the developer nor the company. Especially when the game is still in development. It's a little underhanded. Yes, investors and stakeholders would have appreciated more info about the development of the game but two wrongs do not make a right. A second misdeed does not cancel the first. I really can't support your approach to the situation.

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Originally Posted by TulioAdriano

... The thing is, Fonzie knows, maybe 40% or even 50% of people who buy the game never play it. ...

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From the point of view of a developer this must be terrible! You work so hard in something who most of the people will never see. At this point why don't make just the package, the cartridge and the manual. Is definitely more simple to be a company who sell game box instead of a real game.

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Originally Posted by TulioAdriano

Those damn sealed blisters were a great idea for the premium feel of an original product, etc, but then a ton of people never open the thing so that it "doesn't lose its value". I'll confess that was the greatest disappointment I had after Pier Solar's release.

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I really don't get this "collector", "sealed" or "in the original box", people. Buy something and don't use it, for me, is exactly how to don't have it.
For who get things only thinking about the money, there is the numismatics, that is more coherent, because it always involve money.

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Originally Posted by TulioAdriano

Those who open, it's hard to know how many people will actually have the time to play the game ...

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Retrogamers are very patient people, don't worry if they took, even years, for end the game.

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Originally Posted by SEGA.GENESIS1989

I have to say, I don't really like the idea of you doing an exposé on the developer nor the company. Especially when the game is still in development. It's a little underhanded. Yes, investors and stakeholders would have appreciated more info about the development of the game but two wrongs do not make a right. A second misdeed does not cancel the first. I really can't support your approach to the situation.

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I get where you're coming from, but I have to say I don't agree. The first is that I don't agree that is is a misdeed or even underhanded. There are a lot of youtube videos and projects focusing on Kickstarter projects that never delivered, most of which never announced the end of the project, they simply updated their backers less and less.

Now, you could say that this isn't a kickstarter and therefore it should be held to a different standard. However, Paprium has had investors and pre-orders, all of which were first available... what? 4 years ago? I myself have a pre-order made that at this point I've given up all hope.

It's not uncommon for gaming websites and youtubers to do reports on games that are well past the point of delay. How many reports and videos were made on Duke Nukem Forever before the game was launched?

Despite all of this, I likely would have ignored all of this drama had it not been for one thing: The people who worked on Pier Solar, Pier Solar HD, Paprium, Project N and Watermelon in general feel cheated. If this were the case of one or two disgruntled employees I would have ignored it, but no, that's not what's happening, this is a widespread case of everyone who worked or volunteered for Watermelon being disgruntled and the fanbase at large being at a wits end.

With all of this said, is the video a hitpiece on Fonzie? No, this isn't what I'm aiming at. I'm aiming at a documentary at Watermelon in general. Yes, some interviews I've had were very hard on Fonzie, others were more calm and levelhead, but I had no influence in that. When it came to Fonzie and Watermelon, I asked everyone the same questions, using the same tone.

Finally, I do plan on contacting Fonzie and hopefully get his side of the story.

Do I think this underhanded or incorrect? I'm sorry, but I absolutely don't. People have invested money, have made pre-orders, developers, artists, coders and content creators have invested months, even years into Watermelon and I think everyone has a right to know what is the current status of the project, not just those who visit sega-16.

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Originally Posted by XGoldenboyX

It was responsive, only issue I had at the time was the jump/ hit. Run/ jump/hit was a bit floaty and asked Fonzie if he could tighten it up so it feels like FF or Cadilac's and Dinausaurs. As far as combos and animations, hit detection goes , it seemed to be working well and he was adamant in making it as tight as possible. What was shown in the trailer is how I remember play testing it. My main concern was the flow and enemy waves.. I was told that it was being addressed. Everything else including special moves worked just fine. Will see how it ends up!

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Thanks for the comforting information... Paprium was already at an advanced stage... :)

@ stika & XGoldenboyX : do you have a transcript of your podcast interview ?

I had sent (a positive) email to Fonzie 2 months ago but mailbox was full or not operational/disabled (several error feedback messages).
Please if you get any sign of life from him, let us know ^^

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Originally Posted by tbp

I had sent (a positive) email to Fonzie 2 months ago but mailbox was full or not operational/disabled (several error feedback messages).
Please if you get any sign of life from him, let us know ^^

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tbp, you can send all the positive emails you want to Fonzie.... he wont reply.

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Originally Posted by SEGA.GENESIS1989

I have to say, I don't really like the idea of you doing an exposé on the developer nor the company. Especially when the game is still in development. It's a little underhanded. Yes, investors and stakeholders would have appreciated more info about the development of the game but two wrongs do not make a right. A second misdeed does not cancel the first. I really can't support your approach to the situation.

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Great, it means he's in the right path then.

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Originally Posted by stika

I get where you're coming from, but I have to say I don't agree. The first is that I don't agree that is is a misdeed or even underhanded. There are a lot of youtube videos and projects focusing on Kickstarter projects that never delivered, most of which never announced the end of the project, they simply updated their backers less and less.

Now, you could say that this isn't a kickstarter and therefore it should be held to a different standard. However, Paprium has had investors and pre-orders, all of which were first available... what? 4 years ago? I myself have a pre-order made that at this point I've given up all hope.

It's not uncommon for gaming websites and youtubers to do reports on games that are well past the point of delay. How many reports and videos were made on Duke Nukem Forever before the game was launched?

Despite all of this, I likely would have ignored all of this drama had it not been for one thing: The people who worked on Pier Solar, Pier Solar HD, Paprium, Project N and Watermelon in general feel cheated. If this were the case of one or two disgruntled employees I would have ignored it, but no, that's not what's happening, this is a widespread case of everyone who worked or volunteered for Watermelon being disgruntled and the fanbase at large being at a wits end.

With all of this said, is the video a hitpiece on Fonzie? No, this isn't what I'm aiming at. I'm aiming at a documentary at Watermelon in general. Yes, some interviews I've had were very hard on Fonzie, others were more calm and levelhead, but I had no influence in that. When it came to Fonzie and Watermelon, I asked everyone the same questions, using the same tone.

Finally, I do plan on contacting Fonzie and hopefully get his side of the story.

Do I think this underhanded or incorrect? I'm sorry, but I absolutely don't. People have invested money, have made pre-orders, developers, artists, coders and content creators have invested months, even years into Watermelon and I think everyone has a right to know what is the current status of the project, not just those who visit sega-16.

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Anyone who has the foggiest idea of what you usually do knows you're not doing anything wrong nor is your intention to be malicious.

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Originally Posted by tbp

@ stika & XGoldenboyX : do you have a transcript of your podcast interview ?

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Sadly I don't. I can try to see if I can download the auto-captions, but those are usually very flawed.