Paprium: The Official Thread Mk 2

What’s funny though is it always would have been more style than substance even after it came out. The appeal of the game was essentially that it was at heart like any other good beat ‘em up, but what distinguished it was it’s neo punknoir aesthetic. But rather than be satisfied with that being enough of a draw, Fonzie had to figure out every way he could bring something new to the table and cram it into this one game rather than distribute novel ideas across a number of games he would eventually develop.

5 important aspects to make me happy about Paprium and consider it well balanced between style and substance:
- need to exist
- graphics: aesthetically appealing style of game elements (sprites, backgrounds)- checked
- music: cool tracks which fit a tone of game- promising (based on sampler)
- sound: giving a proper feedback while executing moves and interacting with objects and enemies- not enough available data on this
- gameplay: moves, animation, pacing, etc.- promising (if Fonzie likes gameplay of BK3/SoR3 and GA3)

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Originally Posted by molasar

4 important aspects to make me happy about Paprium and consider it well balanced between style and substance:
- graphics: aesthetically appealing style of game elements (sprites, backgrounds)- checked
- music: cool tracks which fit a tone of game- promising (based on sampler)
- sound: giving proper feedback while executing moves and interacting with objects and enemies- not enough available data on this
- gameplay: moves, animation, pacing, etc.- promising (if Fonzie likes gameplay of BK3/SoR3 and GA3)

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Please don't forget at add 'needs to exist' to the Paprium wish list. I'd make that number 1.

Otherwise your list is great. And as I'm looking at it now I can see that Tanglewood totally nailed it!

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Originally Posted by thesegadude

Please don't forget at add 'need to exist' to the Paprium wish list. I'd make that number 1.

Otherwise your list is great. And as I'm looking at it now I can see that Tanglewood totally nailed it!

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Originally Posted by molasar

4 important aspects to make me happy about Paprium and consider it well balanced between style and substance:
- graphics: aesthetically appealing style of game elements (sprites, backgrounds)- checked
- music: cool tracks which fit a tone of game- promising (based on sampler)
- sound: giving proper feedback while executing moves and interacting with objects and enemies- not enough available data on this
- gameplay: moves, animation, pacing, etc.- promising (if Fonzie likes gameplay of BK3/SoR3 and GA3)

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You talk about balance between style and substance, yet 3 of those 4 points are style related (and arguable... the graphics do look good on still shots, but in action, the animation looks poor).
About the gameplay, I can't say a beat 'em up without enemies looks promising. Yes, you can apparently move and attack... Cool.

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Originally Posted by Stifu

You talk about balance between style and substance, yet 3 of those 4 points are style related (and arguable... the graphics do look good on still shots, but in action, the animation looks poor).
About the gameplay, I can't say a beat 'em up without enemies looks promising. Yes, you can apparently move and attack... Cool.

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Those are my personal, subjective criteria. Just an opinion. Where I expressed 'promising', it still can fail in the end and we do not know if we ever have an opportunity to give it a final verdict.

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Originally Posted by molasar

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Well done sir :cool:

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Originally Posted by molasar

Those are my personal, subjective criteria. Just an opinion. Where I expressed 'promising', it still can fail in the end and we do not know if we ever have an opportunity to give it a final verdict.

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I wasn't sure if some of your points were comments about the current (known) version or if it was just wishful thinking for an imaginary finished version. But the word "promising" doesn't come to my mind after having seen alpha footages after 6 years of development. Still, you're right, it's subjective.

^That footage wasn't even alpha. An alpha should be feature complete, but if you don't even show enemies, you aren't near the alpha stage.

By my count we have none of those so far:
-needs to exist - well it doesn't
-graphics - broken
-music - sounds great on YouTube but doesn't work in-game
-sound effects - can't even remember hearing many of these in the previews
-gameplay - doesn't exist, walking through empty levels is not a game

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Originally Posted by axel

By my count we have none of those so far:
-needs to exist - well it doesn't
-graphics - broken
-music - sounds great on YouTube but doesn't work in-game
-sound effects - can't even remember hearing many of these in the previews
-gameplay - doesn't exist, walking through empty levels is not a game

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We have some game assets working on customized console emulator and console technical demo if we can call it this way. It is a gray area here as I am not an insider and I want to avoid speculation as much as possible.
Coming back to my points:
- This point is actually correct. It does not exist as a Genesis/Mega Drive game that is why it needs to exist in the first place. A technical demo and emulated version do not count.
- Assets are not broken. They are finished, or need last touches (lack of information on this). A technical demo and emulated version do not count.
- See the first point. A technical demo and emulated version do not count.
- Another correct point. Not enough available data on this. A technical demo and emulated version do not count.
- Again, see the first point. A technical demo and emulated version do not count, but if Fonzie wants to bring an elaborated gameplay system similar to BK3/SoR3 and GA3, I am all for it.
The graphical assets were the first thing which appealed to me from seeing Paprium's screenshots, Tea Time footage and trailer, but with this kind of games I personally need to play it and feel its flow to like it as a whole. The same situation with SoR4. It does not appeal to me as much as Paprium, but I do not give up on it without trying it first when it is released.

The assets themselves are not broken, but the game can't display them properly (corrupt tiles etc). Hence the graphics are broken. Same kind of deal for the music.

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Originally Posted by Stifu

The assets themselves are not broken, but the game can't display them properly (corrupt tiles etc). Hence the graphics are broken. Same kind of deal for the music.

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If we call a technical demo from Paris party the game then yes, they do not work properly in it, but still my points are requirements for finished game.

It seems there is still no news from Fonzie since the infamous party. Should we expect a new update by the end of April after 6 months of silence?

On the other hand, would you be OK with that Fonzie gives up all Paprium's assets and rights under the condition that a new owner pays off all WaterMelon's debts regarding Paprium and finishes and releases the game one way or another on modern gaming platforms?

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Originally Posted by molasar

It seems there is still no news from Fonzie since the infamous party. Should we expect a new update by the end of April after 6 months of silence?

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Funny you say that I just got off the phone with Fonzie, he said Paprium has been slightly delayed because he is finalizing his port of Cuphead to the Game Gear, the game will feature an add-on hologram display that connects to the game cartridge via Bluetooth.

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Originally Posted by molasar

On the other hand, would you be OK with that Fonzie gives up all Paprium's assets and rights under the condition that a new owner pays off all WaterMelon's debts regarding Paprium and finishes and releases the game one way or another on modern gaming platforms?

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There is no way this is happening.