Release for both ProjectY and ProjectN has been delayed due to lack of pixel artists. You guys should have received the newsletter already.
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Release for both ProjectY and ProjectN has been delayed due to lack of pixel artists. You guys should have received the newsletter already.
Yup. I didn't know WMG lacked in-house pixel artists. Was that the case for Pier Solar? Surely not?
Their pixel artist leaving (and not allowing them to use the art he had already made) was the reason for Pier Solar's delay actually. Seems like pixel artists are a dying breed these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genesis Knight
The general lack of communication and updates once they finished with the polls is slightly unfortunate, considering they wanted people involved it seems once they got the money to make project y everything else was kept 'in-house'
Daniel who did a lot of pixel art in Pier Solar left long ago, Fonzie did a lot too but focuses mostly on programming and other things now. The rest was mostly made by Chinese, and they aren't up to the quality level we seek for Project Y/N.
There are lots of communication and updates on the Project Y board.
You guys still waited way too long to say anything about the delay IMO. It's July already...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
Also, any sort of demo would be cool. All we have is a short video from several months ago showing some CPS sprites running in a blank screen.
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Originally Posted by megadrivemania
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Originally Posted by Barone
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Originally Posted by megadrivemania
I will buy this. But like most indie distribution, fans who knew of it first and paid get more for same price then people who catch on to project later. Maybe it's not like this for py, but it happened to me in past from others and it's unfair imo. I get a shit reused case and game while others get fresh big boxed deluxe editions with game, retail looking cds, stickers, posters, and a twin of game not be opened and just for collecting for same price. Once in a while you'll get people who can't conduct business for shit "no tracking number but if you don't get by Monday you are fucked please no emails". I'm glad you guys aren't like that, but give out prompt updates (on all places email newsletters, FORUM posts, youtube updates, more) because we put the $ in your pocket$ to achieve your dream of game. Yes you are making it for U$, but we funded the Project Yes ?
People here at Sega-16 been burned from people taking their $ from non kickstarter but forum funding "retro magazines" (that guy just made a youtube video why haven't you got your money back yet, don't put up with that SHIT) to "kickstarters". Once the date get's past, explain the delay that day or before and make sure the people who "pledged" or "donated" get their explanation that they are due. Don't wait too long to post a demo on youtube, I hear the pitchforks rattling around from people grabbing them in shed. Listen to the people$. Did just fans cover the cost of project or was 75% donated by fans but 25% by the team before deadline, or like most things secretly 50/50 like it was started and bigger studio was from Pier Solar $ but to cover some costs you made a project y pledge page anyway ?
One more thing, I will buy Pier Solar for dc, for one reason, I find it a SUPREB IDEA you used the gen + sega cd to sync to play cart and play audio cd and I wanted it for that console but find it bad business to charge Pier Solar md + cd but get original not good synced cd when you and fans made not 1 but 2 update cds that are better. Those should be sent out in 2013 repacks, not original cd. Post 1 and 5.
http://www.piersolar.com/board/viewt...hp?t=1541&f=28
And before somebody says I don't know much about business, I ran a retro store with blog fans could check and still run a indie record label from reggae to metal and everyone who paid for something always got their stuff on due date. No excuses. Either sending out cd's online after bad stuff like computers crashing, $100,000 boards needing repair, switching engineers, lost files, artists replacements, or importing games then or collaborating with rivivedc online, whatever in both cases they got their game/projects on time or cd's on time. And when revisions were made, both initial and later costumers got updated package. And announcements were honest and constant, in most cases free merchandise was given out as I made more than planned profit. I kept some profits for ME and to future projects, and let them know that.
The main thing is to keep your brand strong (by releasing things in good quality and on time) and keep fans happy and aware. However I have seen the decline in online efficiency lately. I seen people revise cheetahmenII carts from a free rom by someone else but then pressed BEFORE kickstarter of it was made just to cover some more pressing/shipping and make $ which can be proved, I saw projects funded by owners first then pledged by their fans to make it look good, I saw team and fans pledge to projects and saw fans fund everything. So I have a good idea on how business works. And the rise of scams went threw the roof, although I blame the people who got ripped off but lack the balls to do something as well. I know this isn't a scam, but felt the need to post this.
There's no way they can show a demo if the game does not yet have any graphics. I guess Project N has placeholder graphics. What they should do is send color palettes to their pixel artists. Then instruct them that they may chose their colors from this palette and that palette. This object may only use this palette. This other object can use this or that palette. But I guess people are just doing pixels in Photoshop choosing from billions of random colors and expecting it to work because they don't know any better.
A demo (if you mean a playable one like Pier Solar had), will just delay the game even more.
In case anyone is wondering, here is the notice posted by the WaterMelon team for a sprite pixel-artist and a background pixel-artist:
http://www.watermelon-corp.com/data/careers_memo.pdf
Joe, maybe you should submit your resumé! :p
Considering up until very recently the release date was supposed to be next month i think WM left it extremely late to announce a release delay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
Yeah, it was late. Sorry about that.
There are tons of pixel artists out there. http://www.pixeljoint.com/ The problem is they expect to be paid for the non-work, fun stuff they're doing. Silly artists, don't you know how this works? First you make everything we need for free, then maybe we'll toss a few bucks your way if we make a killing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Anyway, I'm just curios how you guys expected to make a game without a pixel artist? And in Japan the designer is the pixel artist. (That's probably a lie, but FTW I'm going with it.)
No, I just wanted to see a video showing a piece of whatever has been done until now. In December 2012 you guys released this video:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
It was very abstract but, still, it gave me some expectations about the size of the sprites and the animation quality of the game.
Seven months passed and not a single update about it...
Now, one month prior to the release date you come with the "news" about how difficult is to find a pixel artist to work with old hardware and thus the project release will be postponed... OK, but, as an investor, shouldn't I be concerned? What about this seven months between that video and this announcement???
Exactly
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Originally Posted by Barone
http://www.cel-ebration.com/SIMPSONS...ORCHES%20I.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by megadrivemania
We always hire pixel artists for our games, and since that video we've more pixel art for Project Y than there is in SoR3. We had the same problem with Pier Solar, but it got solved eventually. Nobody has any reason to be concerned, but if you still are you can get a refund for your investments in Project Y/N.
*sigh*. "Let's throw money at this and complain about how long it's taking". Rome wasn't built in a day people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
Zebbe, how can I pre-order this game. I don't give a damn about if it's delayed or not but I would like to preorder a copy though.
Go to this place: http://www.magicalgamefactory.com/en...ry/projecty_2/
Login if you are registered, otherwise register and then login.
Add 500 gems ($50) in the box right above "Add to cart". then press add to cart.
Then go to "My cart" and from there to checkout and pay.
Done.
Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks!
Thanks.
By the way, I hope WM gets to take as much time as it takes to get this modern beat-em up for Genesis working as well as possible. I just wouldn't mind more updates or at least some actual gameplay related comments so I can start thinking about what to expect. I mean, right now I don't know whether to expect Cyborg Justice or Streets of Rage 4.
Check the board on MGF, Fonzie posts there regularly.
If I order do I get a cardboard case and less items than people who initially ordered who get what plastic clamshell and poster or ? And why won't you repack Pier Solar with the 1 of 2 better updated sync cd's that came out later, why pack original cd in 2013 ? I asked Zeb this and posted direct links to what I mean 5 times already in this thread. An answer would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Pier Solar = rpg
PY = beu
PN = 1 vs 1 fighter ?
What else you guys do ?
Oh, really? I suppose I should keep my mouth shut for how many months you guys take to give us an update about the project or another estimation about the release date then... That's terrific. Really, it makes all the sense with this whole "magical" thing where you guys said we would be involved all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
And, no, I never said or thought anything about refund. I was just trying to know more about the status of the project after seven months of vacuum. However, since I'm not allowed to do so, I beg your pardon.
I'm realizing that I misunderstood the the concept of "being involved", it actually is more like "invest and shut the fuck up until we decide to talk about whatever we want, whenever we want; if we want to!".
It sounds good. I was just wanting to know something like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
Thanks, Zebbe.
Why not make a video showing it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
What type of box you'll get isn't decided yet, but yes, you won't get the Baptism of Fire, a bonus for people who invested before 28th of July last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
The CD was a bonus for people who pre-ordered the first edition only. We aren't packing any CD anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
Sorry, I never saw that. But it's much faster and easier to get answers from our official board and site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
I'm working on a secret project with Fonzie ;). When I was in USA and we had a Q&A on Facebook, I said this about it: "I can say the battles will be more complex than in Pier Solar. I'm doing various tasks: looking over the whole development with Fonzie, writing the manuscript for the story, designing levels/gameplay etc. and balancing it, as well as some other stuff I can talk about later."Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
Check the board, Fonzie posts plenty of updates there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barone
All the polls for the game have been respected and the game follows their results. The gameplay, setting etc. has been put together by a compilation of posts from members on the Project Y board. So the investors have been very involved, it's just that we can't keep the project 100% open anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barone
You can say whatever you want. But there hasn't been a vacuum. The game is being worked on everyday and there have been plentiful of updates on the site and the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barone
I don't recall we saying "shut the fuck up"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barone
You're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barone
Fonzie is the kind of guy who wants to show as little of any project as possible, to not spoil any surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Oh, c'mon! I check it every week (at least) and there's only a few very very tiny pieces of the pixel art here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
Those polls you're referring to ended in 2012 (though, Fonzie said it will be another one tonight). But I was clearly not referring to 2012 and I also never said WM was not respecting the polls or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
A vacuum of updates. Geez, it's so hard to understand what I just wrote? And, no, a half-dozen of 10x10 gifs aren't anything worth mentioning IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
I never said that nothing were being done; but nothing has been showed since the last year. Am I lying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
Care to share the links to these "plentiful of updates" you're repeatedly talking about? 'Cause I'm not talking about whatever little competitions or site/blog updates, I'm talking about updates regarding the Project Y development.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
I don't have time! I don't even have time (or the desire, really) to play through The Last of Us. I could do some VO work if they wanted but creating pixel art take a lot of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEGA.GENESIS1989
Okay, I can understand that, but I think it would be cool if people like me who are just buying soon get a plastic clamshell with art you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
Okay I can dig it. But wouldn't be cool in your 5th pack in of it (now right ?) you do include the updated cd as a bonus now ? I mean the sync of cd + cart is genuis. And I think you guys made update # 1 cd but fan made better update # 2 cd but it was on megaupload now gone. But getting that cd and including it in a new repack would get my business, I'd rather have that for md than DC, but if you guys won't pack in updated cd, I'll just buy DC one.Quote:
The CD was a bonus for people who pre-ordered the first edition only. We aren't packing any CD anymore.
Fair enough, one of the last times I asked and posted link besides now was on last page.Quote:
Sorry, I never saw that. But it's much faster and easier to get answers from our official board and site.
Very cool. Thank you for answering my questions.Quote:
I'm working on a secret project with Fonzie ;). When I was in USA and we had a Q&A on Facebook, I said this about it: "I can say the battles will be more complex than in Pier Solar. I'm doing various tasks: looking over the whole development with Fonzie, writing the manuscript for the story, designing levels/gameplay etc. and balancing it, as well as some other stuff I can talk about later."
There will be a plastic case version to buy for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
No, the CD won't be produced anymore. You can download the CD here: http://www.piersolar.com/tmp/DiscAlternate.zip . The update was in the soundtrack and it was because the original pressed disc had problems with Mega-CD units. But burning a disc of your own makes no difference, as burned discs use different technology and are easier to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
I see now. Again I apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
No problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
I like their business model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barone
Great news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
Okay I'll call that version 1.Quote:
No, the CD won't be produced anymore. You can download the CD here: http://www.piersolar.com/tmp/DiscAlternate.zip .
Okay I'll call that version 2, forum thread post 1 from link I posted.Quote:
The update was in the soundtrack and it was because the original pressed disc had problems with Mega-CD units.
But in post 5 a guy made another one but was on megaupload but now erased, so can you upload that version what I call soundtrack version 3 ?
Okay if version 3 was uploaded I would download cd and just buy cart. How much are Reissue # 5 (not sure how many times you guys had re releases) Pier Solar carts, and do those come in plastic clamshell as well ? Are they on kickstarter or just your site to pay with Paypal because I don't like Amazon pay (kickstarter) or ?Quote:
But burning a disc of your own makes no difference, as burned discs use different technology and are easier to read.
No problem.Quote:
I see now. Again I apologize.
Thank you.Quote:
No problem!
Project SF?Quote:
I'm working on a secret project with Fonzie . When I was in USA and we had a Q&A on Facebook, I said this about it: "I can say the battles will be more complex than in Pier Solar. I'm doing various tasks: looking over the whole development with Fonzie, writing the manuscript for the story, designing levels/gameplay etc. and balancing it, as well as some other stuff I can talk about later."
I can ask Fonz about that tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
The next reprint of Pier Solar will cost $59, will be in a plastic clamshell case and you can pre-order it on our site. You pay for it when it's shipped, with PayPal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
Barman: No, it's something else :P. Maybe Project X. Project SF is put on hold. Or maybe canned. I don't know :P.
Oh, come on, stop wasting your time digging up a stupid CD image some random dude posted on the old forums! - From what I can tell the ONLY difference to the official release is that the guy added a dummy file to the image. And I am not even sure he did it correctly seeing as it mostly likely was done in the typical Dreamcast manner (starting with "0xxxxx" to move the data to the outer areas of the CD). - Doesn't the Sega CD load data faster from the inner areas ? So unless I am not mistaken this image actually has the opposite effect of what the original uloader intended!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
Point is: Who cares? The official CD is fine and that is what is still available. Now stop wasting your time and get back to work. I want my dystopian sci-fi brawler with huge sprites ! (no, not that one :p)
You're a standup guy, Zebbe. I think Chrisuserloeser has a point. Don't get too overwhelmed with nitpickers and "Princes-and-the-Pea"-type of demands. In all the Watermelon (and even SuperFighterTeam) threads, about less than 5% of complaints and/or demands have been warranted.
You keep doing what you're doing, buddy. And, on behalf of those of us who are actually patiently awaiting, thank you for all your efforts.
I believe all 1X CD-ROM drives are CLV so the data transfer speed is the same at the inside and outside of the disc. That said, the seek times are really bad on the Sega CD and since the TOC is going to be at the inside of the disc, you'll be adding a long seek between TOC read and starting playback if you push everything to the outside of the disc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser