Nintendo Bashing

If you are like me, you are still bitter about Nintendo winning the 16-bit video game wars.

Nintendo bashing will take place here.

Point One: Sonic vs. Mario. I think a lot of retrogamers (even some Mario fans) will agree that Sonic could kick the ass of this obese plumber with relative ease. And even if Mario could get in a few cheap shots, as long as Sonic could recover at least one ring, he could battle on indefinitely.

Point Two: The consoles themselves. A Genesis next to a NES or SNES is like putting a sports car next to a Pinto. The sleek, black, curved surfaces of the Genesis seem to scream "I'm faster and better!" compared to the dorky raised surfaces of the SNES and awkward purple/gray color scheme. And as we all know, the Genesis has the power under the hood to back up the look.

Point Three: Add-ons. While one could alternately argue that these were part of Sega's eventual downfall, I think the add-ons in part made the Genesis what it was. While hardcore Nintendo kids waited and sat in the 16-bit era until the arrival of the N64, we Sega kids evolved, grew, and changed with time. I distinctly remember my Nintendo friends all coming over to my house to play Mortal Kombat because my version had blood and theirs didn't.

Discuss.

Sigh. I don't really care, personally.

One system owners were lame :p

Real/true gamers transcended the competing consoles, regions and languages even. I always found fanboys and blind loyalist lame, back in the 16bit wars. That's not to say you didn't have a fav console your collection. For the record, it seems there are more bitter fans (haters?)on the Sega side than the Nintendo side. That the system got a bad rap when the SNES came around. Funny 'cause two big magazines, EGM and GameFan, were big Genesis supports back in the day.

Most SNES fans could care less about the Genesis and its limit colors and palette and sound (seems how most SNES fans look at it), while the Genesis fans are always trying to compare the system's best games against the SNES, always trying to prove the Genesis is comparable/equal to the SNES when "programmed right", etc.

Who says Nintendo won the 16-bit war?

Sega had a far longer streak for their console than Nintendo did.

I wouldn't consider myself a console fanboy, but I didn't get a Nintendo until the N64. The Saturn just kind of had me feeling jaded on Sega at the time.

I would say Nintendo won because now Sonic is on Nintendo.

"Now" isn't the 16-bit war.

Obviously I'm massively biased towards the Mega Drive - but I know that competition is nothing but a good thing for people who play videogames. There was nothing like the rivalry of 1993/4 before, and I can't really think of anything comparable since. It meant that both companies turned out a lot of great stuff on their respective machines - and I'd argue that now Nintendo and Sega are chummy, both parties win out by co-operating.

What certainly does piss me off, however, is Sega fans who honestly think of themselves as still fighting on the 16-bit battlefields, like some lone fucking honourable warrior hero making a million-to-one Desperate Last Stand Against The Forces Of Darkness. Although I get the smug satisfaction of buying and enjoying a game, as opposed to bitching about it on an Internet echo chamber forum :)

I'll still bash for the sake of it, though; it's fun. Sonic vs. Mario? Please.

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Originally Posted by evildragon

Who says Nintendo won the 16-bit war?

Sega had a far longer streak for their console than Nintendo did.

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SNES was officially supported from 1990 (jap launch) to 1999 (end of production)

Mega Drive/Genesis 1988 (Jap Launch) to 1996 (SEGA dropping support)

I make that roughly 18 months to 2 years more the SNES had in the market place.

Sadly, the fact that the SNES sold 20+ million more consoles worldwide does actually make it a much bigger market success, despite how much more fonder it's SEGA rival is remembered.

However, as far as living on in the hearts of it's original gamers, and it's respect in the gaming community, I feel that the Mega Drive/Genesis wins hands down.

sega games are still being developed for today, be it with or without segas support. can the same be said for the snes?

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Originally Posted by evildragon

sega games are still being developed for today, be it with or without segas support. can the same be said for the snes?

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Sega Genesis game development is very, very, very low. There's a very small amount of homebrew and a trickle of demos. Compared to the Atari homebrew community or the Commodore 64 demo scene, current Genesis development is jack shit.

im comparing to the SNES, not atari or commodore..

I like all Nintendo systems (haven't really played a GC though). I only like the Genesis and DC for Sega. If it has good games I like it. If it doesn't I don't.

Back in the day im sure I ragged on Nintendo alot. THese days while my heart will always be with Sega i can't really bash Nintendo for much and now Sega is a publsher. I will say when I hear retards saying things like "The Snes owned the Genesis" it annoys the hell out of me. Any real gamer back then knew that both systems had awesome games. If you were really lucky you had both. In fact often my buddy would bring his Snes over to my house and I would bring over my Genesis to his house. So often I here people brush aside the Genesis like it was nothing. I hate it. Im sure what to call them but I guess ill settle on "Non gamer gamers". These are kids playing Madden every year and probable have never even played any Sega. But as far as bashing Nintendo itself honestly who cares. They are just another big faceless corporation just like Sega.

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Originally Posted by BlowMyCartridge

If you are like me, you are still bitter about Nintendo winning the 16-bit video game wars.

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Not really.

I played both systems during their heyday.


The only Nintendo system I truly hate is the N64. You remember that scene in "Jurassic Park" where they show that huge pile of shit? That is my mental image of the N64. It is also a system unfit to follow the SNES.

Nintendo *the company* I have many a issue with. But i'm tired of harping on those issues.


P.S. I'd also like to repeatedly punch whoever felt the need to give Mario such a goddamn annoying voice.

Nice Avatar Rusty

Oh hell yea, rusty needs to send me the whole vid ;)

It is great on so many levels.

People tend to like it for obvious reasons...I love it because it is from my favorite anime of all time "Excel Saga". If yous guys only knew what happens after the breast fondling!

I don't really care that the SNES sold millions more than the MD. But when people say the sound was far better on all points and that all SNES versions were better than their MD counterparts, it feels like history revision to me.

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Originally Posted by Iron Lizard

Nice Avatar Rusty

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She has no nipples, but it looks like she does have a single vampire fang.

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Originally Posted by evildragon

im comparing to the SNES, not atari or commodore..

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A console still having a large homebrew community does not make it any more successful on paper.

But as I did say in my original post, the Genesis/Mega Drive is more successful in terms of how fondly people remember and stick with the console.

Thank you Rusty, for honoring Sega-16 with this great avatar!

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

I don't really care that the SNES sold millions more than the MD. But when people say the sound was far better on all points and that all SNES versions were better than their MD counterparts, it feels like history revision to me.

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The SNES is far from infallible. I personally have some issues with explosion sounds with the SNES and there were games made on the SNES that looked (and played) like complete ass.

I think a lot of the "SNES luv" on the internet stems from some peoples overwhelming love for the RPG games released on the system.

Part of why I think I wanted N64 over Saturn was the simple fact that I liked cartridges better. Still do. Yes, I know that CDs are "better" because they're more efficient and cheaper to make. But cartridges possess a certain nostalgic quality that I truly love. I love cartridge games for the same ambiguous reasons that I love vinyl records over CDs.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Venture

I think a lot of the "SNES luv" on the internet stems from some peoples overwhelming love for the RPG games released on the system.

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Bingo.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Venture

I'd also like to repeatedly punch whoever felt the need to give Mario such a goddamn annoying voice.

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Really? I love Mario's italian-Mickey Mouse voice. I'm still waiting for the day when Mario starts speaking complete sentences.

Now Sonic on the other hand...

What's with Sonic ? Both SAs have nice voices and dialogues... I don't know about anything the newer Sonics....

I wouldn't say im bitter because to me Sega won that generation. Most of the people I know also had a genesis and my friends and I didn't see a lot of SNES' but the kids that had them were usually douchebags.

But yea still to this day whenever my friend and I are at a party and we see a SNES we make fun of it and usually the person who owns it, because those kids that were baby douchebags usually grew up to be big douchebags. My friend is wayyy more radical than I am and has tried to actually destroy a SNES one time he got so pissed when he saw it.

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Originally Posted by Earthworm_Jim_Fan

Really? I love Mario's italian-Mickey Mouse voice. I'm still waiting for the day when Mario starts speaking complete sentences.

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The idea of him speaking makes me wish he was real so I could kick him in the groin numerous times. While the kicking would only serve to make his voice higher, it would make up for that 5 minutes I spent playing the SMB2 GBA port.

Mario was better as a silent partner.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Venture

If yous guys only knew what happens after the breast fondling!

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:o I must know!

You really want to know?

She vomits blood then collapses.



Were you expecting something highly erotic?

Well.......yes.. I didn't expect that :daze:

Forget that then.

The avatar is more for love of "Excel Saga" than for the breast groping.

Trust me, if you see the show and manage to make it to the final episode (which is what that animation is from) then the blood vomiting makes complete sense.

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Originally Posted by AD2101

I wouldn't say im bitter

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But yea still to this day whenever my friend and I are at a party and we see a SNES we make fun of it and usually the person who owns it, because those kids that were baby douchebags usually grew up to be big douchebags. My friend is wayyy more radical than I am and has tried to actually destroy a SNES one time he got so pissed when he saw it.

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Hah! That puts you in the fanboy/hater category ;)

Don't know of any new Dev on the SNES (GBA is more popular for that sort of thing) other than a few old demos, but the SNES translation scene is enormous, not to mention the quality of care (coding/hacking/new VWF print routines) they put into them.

Oh Im definitely a fanboy and a hater i never denied that. I just dont toss and turn at night losing sleep at the fact that Nintendo moved more consoles so I wouldn't say bitter but biased. Like some people are ford people or chevy people Im a sega guy and damn proud of it!

In my opinion, the Genesis controller was much more comfortable than the SNES.

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Originally Posted by BlowMyCartridge

In my opinion, the Genesis controller was much more comfortable than the SNES.

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You mean the original 3 button Genesis controller? I wasn't too fond of it, but didn't have a choice until the 6 button pad came out. I thought the SNES pad was fine with its rounded top corners. A perfect place to rest your index fingers. I also have no problems with the original NES pad and the TG game pads. Well.. I did rig a SNES pad to a Duo controller once.

The SNES controller doesn't fit my hand as good as my 6-button MD pad. I also think the D-pad isn't as responsive, pressing two buttons on the same time is annoying and using those L and R buttons in fighting feels awkward.

The SNES controller is colourful, pretty and generally tosh. The Mega Drive was a black manly beast with grey and red thrown in. Mega Drive wins the controller debate at a canter.

I love both MD 3 and 6 button pads... I prefer 3 button pad though, big and very very comfortable. SNES pad is not very good... lame flat thing.

The MD 6-button-controller was utter tosh; too small, and the upper row of buttons was smaller than the lower one. The 3-button pad however was a masterpiece, seeing how unergonomic SMS- and NES-pads were before.

The SNES-6-button controller was okay, too flat and small for me, but thanks to the button layout with shoulder buttons I didn´t accidently push the wrong button like it happens with the MD-6-button-pad. I guess that´s why the idea of shoulder buttons has become a standard.

I am not a hater in 16-Bit-days; although I prefer the MD a little over SNES, the SNES RPGs make up for a lot. If it weren´t for those the SNES would be pretty boring for me.

I have never been a fanboy of any company either; but I HATED some companies in some times.
In the 32-/64-Bit-age I became a Sega hater, and in the 128-Bit age a Microsoft-hater.
I am not sure whom to hate now with the newest gen, for I find all three machines disappointing to this day.