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Don't see the difference.
I do have a thing about beating old platformers via password save, though. I've always thought they were meant to be marathoned through the entire 30,45, or 60 minutes it took to beat them; while the passwords were just there to allow you to revisit a stage you enjoyed later on.
I’ll be specific:
Putting one’s nose to the grindstone and churning through OG Castlevania in one sitting, and watching the credits roll without regard to how many continues it took to get there.
Would we agree that this is a legitimate “win?”
Compare that to Super Ghouls N Ghosts on a certain diminutive console that was made available just recently. If you save after successfully getting through every tricky section, and reset back to the last save every time you died ... and then watching the credits roll after hundreds of deaths but no “Game Over” screen.
Same thing? Or dirty dirty cheating?
Practice runs, son. Practice runs.
I said oh lord Jesus it’s a fire. Then I ran out, I didn’t grab no shoes or nothin’ Jesus, I ran for my life.
Oh, yeah, nope. Not a legitimate win if you do so with save states on clone consoles or via unofficial emulation. It's the modern cheating alternative to the 90s Game Genie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
HOWEVER! If the games on said console (as well as the console) are officially released by the same company, then it is the intended nature of the game. A "new" version of the game in which save states are official. So, I'd be inclined to give that a pass.
One example could also be something like Sonic 3D Classics Collection on the 3DS. Totally legit wins.
Did you know Twin Galaxy does not accept SNES runs if the two plastic tabs inside cartridge slots are snapped off due to zero console modification rule.
I’m gonna double down on this one. What if I told you there was an official port of Super GnG that effectively gave you a “save anywhere” function. I used to own it (not sure why I got rid of it, TBH), and I remember getting to the end of the second run in just a few hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
Would that have changed your answer if you had leaned towards a solid no the first time?
What if I told you in the future gaming will consist of only one button. The I win button.
I honestly didn't give your question a thorough eval that first time around. But I, too, have pondered on this before. And my answer would've remained the same as it has since the 90s: As long as it is officially inside the game, no outside cheats or impossible-to-guess codes, then it's all fair game; including glitches and cheap boss kills.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
So retconning state saves to old videogames a la SNES & NES classic is completely legit as long as it's official. The developers of these games in the past were wrong.
Okay, then what about the GBA port of SGnG I mentioned up there. That was published by the original developer with save states.
No one is wrong.
Nah. Save stating will break those old games, just like credit feeding. It doesn't matter what a developer drops in post fact, if it wasn't intended by the original creator then it can't possibly count.
There are exceptions though of course and save stating is great for practice, most we could work with BITD was a level select if we were lucky.
I'll remember this once I get ready to add some more entries to the Winner thread. I still kinda/sorta count them as victories, but there's definitely an asterisk next to the game in my mind. I'll always know that I had the training wheels on.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
Which game is giving you trouble, MrMatthews.