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07-10-2018, 10:36 AM
Thief

I consider myself lucky to be an RPG fan.
07-10-2018, 11:27 AM
QuickSciFi

I consider myself lucky to be a gamer.
07-10-2018, 11:44 AM
Yharnamresident

I consider myself lucky to know that stuffed olives are one of the best things created by mankind.
07-10-2018, 11:47 AM
Leynos

RPGs are my fave genre and all the sub-genres in it. But I'm with Quick. Glad to be a gamer in general.
07-10-2018, 11:54 AM
Gryson

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Originally Posted by QuickSciFi

Landstalker is most definitely not an RPG. It is an action adventure game if there ever was any.

If we are going to go by armor or weapon upgrades, then let's start calling every God of War game RPGs (albeit the last one being very RPG element heavy). I am telling you, it's a slippery slope.

This is a more recent interpretation of "RPG" in video games: to be an RPG, a game must have experience points.

However, back in the day, the definition was more centered around the setting (fantasy), perspective (overhead view), and gameplay elements (exploration, dungeons, towns, etc.), although there was variation on the basic concept.

Landstalker was originally classified as an RPG (action RPG) by the developer (Climax), the publisher (Sega), and just about all of the gaming magazines from the time. I'll go with that classification.
07-10-2018, 12:01 PM
Mega Drive Bowlsey

Landstalker is an RPG and so is Alundra. It's complete bollocks to say that a game has to have experience points and turn based gameplay to qualify as an RPG. Sega and Climax themselves classed Landstalker as an RPG back in the day.
07-10-2018, 12:07 PM
QuickSciFi

They were all wrong. Not the first time that happened.
07-10-2018, 12:08 PM
BonusKun

Just an fyi guys, Gamestop is selling NES Classic controllers online. They're limiting it to one per person so if you didn't get one before and don't want to pay scalper prices, now's your chance.
07-10-2018, 12:11 PM
QuickSciFi

Yeah, I saw that. Thanks man. Was gonna get one this am, but then I checked and they seem to have them at my local GameStop. Plan to pass by there now. Mine came a little crushed in one corner.
07-10-2018, 12:31 PM
Mega Drive Bowlsey

What is this, game classification revision class?! Games like Landstalker and Alundra were ALWAYS classed as RPG's! This is the first time I've ever heard anybody refute that.
07-10-2018, 12:35 PM
Yharnamresident

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Originally Posted by Thierry Henry

This has to be Bubbles dad

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Originally Posted by SegataS

No sorry, that's wrong. Ys is an action RPG. Darksiders II is an ARPG where Darksiders 1 is an AA. Zelda is an action adventure. It uses no RPG elements. RPGs are heavy in stats. Zelda series traditionally have no armor system. No stats on character or weapons. You keep the same items the entire game. Not how it works. A lot of people do not know how battle systems are graded and think it's binary. Between a menu or pressing a button to swing a sword. Dragon Age Origins is a turn-based RPG even tho it does not play like Dragon Quest. (side note the west created turn-based RPGs and Japan created Action RPGs) Your stats in the game determine when you swing your sword. Xenoblade is turn-based for one simple reason. If an action does not take place immediately after pressing the button then your stats are determining the frames in which you take your turn against the enemy.

Only Botw and Zelda II use any stats or systems. Botw is borderline but still an AA. Having just elements does not make something an RPG. Certain systems must be in place to count as an actual RPG. Otherwise, we have to count Call of Duty. I had to shut my channel off to the public thanks to Ninja Warriors music copyright strike otherwise I'd post the video form a game designer explaining in more detail. RPGs are a bit more finicky when classifying a genre as most people don't understand it. Mass Effect 1 is an RPG. Mass Effect 3 is not. Some games have elements or teeter but many things people think is an RPG just because of X or Y are wrong. Just about every Zelda game has nearly none of the elements to classify it as an RPG. Like I said before it makes as much sense as saying Mario Kart is a racing sim because it has vehicles and racing. Zelda uses the rule of 3 to kill a boss. RPG it has a specific amount of health with a number determined by levels and each stat is a level in itself and in some RPGs not everything levels up. You choose which stats to improve or in the case of some games, the more you use a spell or skill that skill or spell levels up and nothing else. Doing 3 puzzle elements does not kill the enemy/boss in an RPG typically. You don't have to manage your character or a party or inventory or space in the inventory in Zelda apart from Botw. Zelda, you solve a puzzle dungeon with a puzzle boss with a specific item with no stats and keep items the rest of the game and nearly no management of stats or inventory. It's just a fact Zelda is not an RPG with the exception of Zelda II. Items in Zelda are situational not something you need to replace/repair or upgrade with something better or weak to this element or strong against that element or status.

Really? The reason Zelda games are mistaken to be RPGs is because they have huge RPG influence. Its ridiculous to say its the same as calling Mario Kart a racing simulator, if I can be honest. Zelda games are like 2 steps away from being true RPGs.

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Originally Posted by Gryson

However, back in the day, the definition was more centered around the setting (fantasy), perspective (overhead view), and gameplay elements (exploration, dungeons, towns, etc.), although there was variation on the basic concept.

Thats something Zelda games and true RPGs both have in common. Which explains their close relation. This was the definition of RPG I grew up with and its been tweaked to include character progression, which is fair enough.
07-10-2018, 12:41 PM
QuickSciFi

No need to get mad about this guys. We all feel just as strongly about the classifications we abide by. Do we agree on all points? Maybe not. Do we still enjoy these games just the same. I sure hope so.
07-10-2018, 12:46 PM
Gryson

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Originally Posted by Mega Drive Bowlsey

What is this, game classification revision class?! Games like Landstalker and Alundra were ALWAYS classed as RPG's! This is the first time I've ever heard anybody refute that.

There is a vocal minority who (arbitrarily?) decided that experience points are the defining characteristic of RPGs. That doesn't even hold up for pen-and-paper RPGs, since there are quite a few that don't use experience points.

I think the cause of it all is that some people like nice, clean divisions, and our more general understanding of RPG (fantasy, overhead view, exploration, etc.) doesn't satisfy that.
07-10-2018, 12:48 PM
Mega Drive Bowlsey

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Originally Posted by QuickSciFi

No need to get mad about this guys. We all feel just as strongly about the classifications we abide by. Do we agree on all points? Maybe not. Do we still enjoy these games just the same. I sure hope so.

Couldn't agree more. Don't know why it mattered so much to me lol. :p
07-10-2018, 12:59 PM
Yharnamresident

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Originally Posted by QuickSciFi

No need to get mad about this guys. We all feel just as strongly about the classifications we abide by. Do we agree on all points? Maybe not. Do we still enjoy these games just the same. I sure hope so.

If someone doesn't agree with me on the internet, then we debate until theres sweat, tears and blood!!!