They do, but they require the Genesis, just like Light Phaser games have their own games but require the Master System (same could be said of NES Zapper games). It really is the same difference. Game A requires peripheral B to play. It doesn't matter that peripheral B has a CPU in it or not, it is still a peripheral.
The CDX is a console, yes, but it is not its own console with its own library. It is just a version of the Genesis and Sega CD.
well here's another interesting way to think of it: Doom. The SNES version of doom uses a Super FX chip whereas the Genesis must have a 32X to play doom. Obviously you can't say "oh the SNES is so awesome it can play doom" because it can't without the expensive built in Super FX chip, which is like a built in mini-32X. At the same time, if someone asked if you can play Doom on the Genesis most likely you would say something like "no, it was for the 32X." No one ever seems to think of the 32X like a RAM expansion pak for the N64 or a Super FX chip for the SNES, it always gets labeled as its own system. Its really a grey area because if the 32X was only like $50 no one would call it its own system, it would just be the "32X Genesis enhancer," but since it was MORE than a base Genesis, its different. Imagine if you could but some crazy add on that would let you play PS2 games on your Genesis and cost $100 (say it was a current day development), would you still really be able to say "Genesis can play PS2 games" when the Genesis was $20 and the add on was $100 and made in 2008 and the Genesis did basically none of the processing?
This reminds me of what often happens on car forums: no matter what car you're talking about, all that seems to matter is how much boost/horsepower the motor can handle on stock internals. It doesn't matter if the full turbo setup costs more than the car (or substantially more), as long as the internals can handle it without being replaced its TeH BeST cAR eVAr!!!1!11! So to put it into the terms of this discussion: is the more expensive SNES better because it can handle Doom on "stock internals" or is it no different from the 32X's modified internals as long as the same end result is achieved for somewhat of a similar price (assuming SNES is more expensive than Genesis and you buy enough games to negate the initial price of the 32X vs. the expensive Super FX games)
I think one thing that would've helped the 32X is if it somehow enhanced existing Genesis games like the PS2 slightly enhances PS1 graphics (if you turn the option on) or an emulator enhances a regular Genesis game.
PS2 would still be its own system since it wasn't originally conceived as a peripheral. The 32X does enhance the composite video quality of the Genesis (no more vertical rainbows), but of course that was never advertised and noticed only by a few sharp-eyed individuals. Sega of America probably didn't even know about the better video for normal Genesis games.Quote:
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Sounds very farfetched to me when the 32X was about the same price as the MD was at launch, was released only 6 years later and when the MD was used A LOT in 32X games (especially sound, but graphics also as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
I thought the picture was slightly more clear with the 32X, but I wasn't 100% sure if it was my imagination. Too bad I can't fit the 32X in my entertainment center because of clearance issues :( . I bet if they would've advertised it as a graphics enhancing device (a la "hi res" mode on N64 games with the RAM expansion) I bet it would've improved public perception of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Redifer
It makes you wonder if the CDX could have become something like that of the Turbo-Duo, if it had the same length of time on the marketplace? I could imagine that the system would have benefitted from RAM upgrades though the cartridge port, much like the Duo did with the Super-CD card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Redifer
Just to be technical, the Duo has the Super-CD card built in. Both the normal PC Engine and the Duo could be benefited in the same way by the Arcade Card, however.
I don't own the Duo, so I'm not up to date on what was the last card released for it. I'd thought that there were some games that couldn't run on the Turbo-CD, or that the Duo could run imports, while the add-on could not.
*Edit* Here's the Super System card Ver.3, that basically allows a Turbo-CD to play the same games as the Duo.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Super-System-Car...3286.m14.l1318
They probably just do it so they can say SEGA has four failed consoles to promote their idea that the SNES is actually Jesus reborn.
Yeah, it's just a Nintendo conspiracy.:bull:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kogen
lol! On that note, this (and a couple other threads as well as youtube comments) have inspired me to make a "bonus feature" to my Genesis Does video where I'm going to compare the best games of the SNES and Genesis (with and without add ons) with emphasis on graphical and sound capabilities. I've actually been quite impressed with what programmers were able to do with the Genesis from late 94 onward, check out The Adventures of Batman and Robin, The Red Zone, and Exo Squad. All three of those games put the SNES to shame with smooth scrolling and scaling, real 3D effects (red zone), and some Sega CD quality cutscenes (Exo Squad).Quote:
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B&R was great (I don't care for the rest), but putting the snes to shame is just a bit over doing it. Actually, B&R is has a little too much eye candy. It's like one long demo showcase, instead of an actual game. Gunstar Heroes was a better balance between the two. I still like B&R though.
It's not the special effects that makes Genesis games comparable to SNES games or vice verse. It's the high production value of the games themselves. A good 2D game doesn't need constant over the top effects.
I disagree, what makes a game good or not is at least 50% personal preference (i.e. RPGs are completely gay to me so I would rather play Sonic than Final Fantasy whereas others would disagree) so the only way you can compare the two systems somewhat objectively is the kind of graphics and sound the systems produced. Many people seem to think the Genesis was inferior hardware and that the graphics sucked and all the games sound crappy, but this video would be out to disprove all of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomaitheous
And for all it's superior hardware, it didn't necessarily make the games better. Most of the time it didn't. Well, except for making them look pretty. But take all the games that are considered great on the SNES and put them on the Genesis - sans the SNES only special effects. Would the games be worst or any less fun to play? I really doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
Putting up a video that shows some off the clever tricks of the programmers is great. Nothing wrong with that. If it were pertaining to opening people's minds to the Genesis, I'd rather be showing off some of it's great gems - hidden or otherwise. Many, many Genesis games had high production value. I'd be showing off that. But if this is for snerds (snes nerds), you won't be impressing them much.
I don't see what you mean. What games are you referring to as having "high production values"? Generally great graphics and sound are the definition of high production values. There is no doubt I would also include games that are simply unique and fun in spite of not having anything graphically impressive about them (Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine for one), but I don't quite see what you're talking about. People insist the SNES is better because they believe it was superior hardware and capable of things the Genesis wasn't, well that and for whatever reason the best Genesis games often were cast aside in favor of some of its worst titles that took the spotlight instead (thanks Sega marketing!). Are you implying that the games I listed (B&R, Exo Squad, and the Red Zone) aren't good games? You said you like B&R (even if it is a bastard in terms of difficulty), but I think you need to take another look at Exo Squad beyond just 2 seconds of the first level (which I have a feeling is what most people do), you'll find it is actually quite a well made and unique game (you know there are three different play formats right?). The Red Zone is somewhat clunky no doubt because of render speed limitations to preserve the 30 fps frame rate, but it still is pretty solid and surpasses the Strike series and definitely tops the helicopter missions in Pilotwings on the SNES both graphically and in terms of gameplay depth.Quote:
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