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You think GTA would be possible on the Genesis? I mean, after all, Nintendo managed to port it to the vastly inferior GBC, so I don't see why a Genesis port couldn't be made. Using the 3D effects from Red Zone* you apparently could make 3D buildings, but it would likely severely impact the speed of the game. I'd like to know if anyone is interested in this, I'd damn sure buy it if someone started selling it as a repro.
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~4:25-6:55 for 3D effect
Hehe, I once stated in some thread that my personal wish candidates for a MD-port would be GTA, Shenmue and Metal Gear Solid.^^
Actually, I also believe that GTA is easily manageable on MD. Personally I would scrap the 3d-buildings and just keep it 2D. The size of the city and the speed is more important than some 3D-effect.
Of course everything would need to be a bit reduced compared to the PlayStation-original; but for the gameplay I am sure it could be kept pretty much intact.
The only problem is that I cannot coda a game like that myself yet, and neither Fonzie nor Tiido have the time or wish to do one of those games from my wishlist^^
I think the first two games could have been done, but no way could the Genesis or even 32X have handled part three.
One game I've been thinking that could have worked on the Genesis would have been Guitar Hero. Sure, the background would have been black or with some visualizer images, but the gameplay could have been easily done.
Ya I've always thought this myself, I can think of countless times that I've thought back on my fond memories of that classic thinking it was a megadrive game for a few seconds only to shake my head and go "jesus" that thing was on the psone
Already working on Commodore 64 with shredz64...Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52gcC3Sn-Gw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyCMM6e1Lbo
Surely someone could do a Genesis port & hardware :D
I don't see why not. Some ego-stroking do-nothing was making a GTA copy for NES, but fell off the internet.
Those videos are awesome. That's some pretty nifty programming there.
The only problem with the original GTA & GTA2 is that they were very much average games that sold, back in the day, on their shock value. Grand Theft Auto is certainly the Mortal Kombat of the Playstation.
I didn't think the series got any good until 3....
Actually, I do think that parts 1 and 2 were pretty fun.
I second that thought! I actually quite loved part 1, and a Genesis-version would really be sweet!
And yeah, scratch the 3d-buildings for that, because it's all about the speed, baby...
GTA is the most horrible franchise ever. I'd much rather walk around in the Valley of Doom slashing my sword and be called a moron by an old lady, than drive over citizens in Liberty City and go to shows to see polygonal titties. Whoever ports this game to the Mega Drive will NOT receive any appreciation from me, that's for sure!
I tend to agree with Zebbe... GTA is sooo meh to me... there's nothing interesting about the game, for me....
I was thinking about this one too, except for the Sega CD so you could play the songs in their full glory. Of course I don't imagine you could fit too much of a set-list on the disc and it would look very basic, but I think it could work. GTA could also be done but like others here I really wouldn't care for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
Guitar Hero is like a FMV game with a plastic gimmick that should have been a real guitar, so that the game could have been more than crap you get tired of after five minutes in the video game store, but isn't. Why make something sophisticated and learning when there is useless tosh like Guitar Hero to enjoy?
You're one of the few that doesn't appreciate Guitar Hero. The industry needs more games that break away from the norm.
Red Zone looked awesome on the Genesis (that isn't a doctored video anyone, that is actually red zone...) but it was a horrible, horrible game...
That may have been true for some, but for me the selling point was that you could do anything however, whenever. I had the demo with the "no timer" hack and would just drive around for hours going "OMG, look! a better car!" then find a gun and shoot at the cops and see how long I could avoid them. Up until that point there was really no game that allowed that much freedom. Sure, some might say "you could go anywhere you wanted in Zelda!", but I'm not interested in prancing about with a sword like an ass loving fairy. I recently purchased the PSX version and was really impressed at how well I still enjoy its gameplay without actually doing any missions. Even with its faults, I absolutely love playing that game, and if you can't enjoy it, then you don't know the value of being able to create your own fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Smith
I totally agree, Fisher Price released a much better version in a TV plug n play that actually had a button for each fret and string (at least 50 buttons probably, not to mention actual metal strings to strum) and actually taught you proper fingering as you played. Granted it was marketed to young kids, but an adult targeted version would be much better than Guitar Hero IMO. I mean, whats the point? "look at me, I can mash buttons in rythm with the music!" but at the end of the day, you still can't play a real guitar. I agree 100% about the FMV thing too, the gameplay is exactly the same as games like Road Avenger, Time Gal, and Power Rangers that everyone complained were pointless, yet everyone seems to just want to praise guitar hero for its awesomeness. Yeah, you do feel like you're rocking out for about 10 minutes, but once you realize you're not even coming close to playing a real guitar you just feel stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
Its not that bad, it was just more realistic than the infinite bullet streams of contra. This game was more about strategic use of ammo and weapons. Granted, I think it would've been more fun if it had been a banzai free for all, but as it is its pretty fun if you give it a chance. At any rate, I find its definitely better than the Strike series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanegashima
The GTA series is garbage. I'd much rather see Sammy Lightfoot on the Genesis than any GTA game.
Let's get Gordon Lightfoot in on that too...Quote:
Originally Posted by CMA Death Adder
Even if you don't like the GTA series, is 'hey that would still be an impressive feat for the Sega Mega Drive hardware!' still too nuanced an opinion for you to hold? Or are we more interested in sticking our fingers in our collective ears and going 'GTA BAD GTA BAD CAN'T HEAR YOU GTA BAD'?
as for Guitar Hero: The biggest hurdle would surely be the controller. flux managed to overlay visuals on top of the Mega-CD audio, so it is certainly possible to have a GH-like game on the Super Battleship console :)
An original concept would be more impressive. Let's not turn classic gaming into the modern gaming industry, where everything comes down to how many "me too" titles we can shove in front of the consumer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elusive
I dislike GTA, yet even if I loved it, I still wouldn't want to see it on the Genesis. It's silly. Don't try to take a PSX game and try to forcefully downgrade it to be shoehorned onto the Genesis! Come up with an original concept that is specially tailored to the Genesis hardware and control pad while still being innovative.
This discussion makes me laugh, because it reminds me of what the Commodore 64 people were saying in 1991, when Street Fighter II came out. "Give it to us!", they cried...
http://www.lemon64.com/games/screens...hter_ii_11.gif
...and got it they did. :(
I really can´t understand the negative thoughts on a port. I would highly appreciate such an effort. Games with simplistic, yet addictive gameplay like GTA or Metal Gear are very well suited for the MD; and they are games the system´s library is missing, meaning there is nothing comparable available.
Of course, new innovative ideas would be great on MD; but given the limits of the hardware many of the ideas one can think of nowadays (after over a decade having passed with many new ideas on superior systems) are impossible to do on the MD. So bringing well-developed ports of existing ideas to the system is good enough imho.
Now that you mention Street Fighter II on C64 I come to think that Street Fighter III would be a nice MD game as well....;)
It's nice fantasy, I suppose. Though honestly I don't see anyone ever trying to 'port' or otherwise program a game like GTA to the Genesis regardless of the potential responce. It would be a hugely time-consuming project that would have to, of course, go without a license (the copyright owners would never grant permission for a Genesis port to exist) and if sold, would run the risk of being pulled from sale and the developer(s) facing lawsuit. These facts alone would scare away most interested parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by 108 Stars
As a freeware release it'd be likely well-received but again -- it would be a huge undertaking with no support from the company and, considering it would most likely be in-development by a group of part-timers, would be a project spanning many years, and this, only if the team behind its development didn't get burnt out or just plain run out of free time to work on it.
As a legitimate clone of GTA? Same thing as the paragraph above.
I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just trying to be realistic. Though even through my realism, I'd be in support of the effort if anyone did try to bring a game like GTA to the Genesis. I'm in support of all new efforts for the Genesis.
Then, am I to believe that all remaining Genesis fans have absolutely no idea what their machine is capable of? And/or that they have no adaptable imagination? These are very disturbing thoughts to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 108 Stars
It's a start, I'll give it that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 108 Stars
Ehh... but how so, when they couldn't even get Street Fighter Alpha 3 done properly on the Gameboy Advance?! Resized (rather than properly redrawn) sprites, my ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by 108 Stars
I've never seen that Red Zone game before I must say it is quite impressive!
It looks amazing, but as I said, the game is balls...Quote:
Originally Posted by MN12BIRD
The GBC port of GTA was actually quite impressive, and contains the entirety of the original game (albeit a bit censored). If, in a hypothetical Genesis port, you're changing the graphics to be completely 2d, then you've basically got the GBC version with somewhat better graphics and sound and bad language intact. I have no doubt that the Genesis could do it, but... why? It's not even "interesting" on a technical level. I do understand the interest in hypothetical Genesis ports of miscellaneous and sundry games, but GTA doesn't sound to me like a particularly special case. There are many other hypothetical Genesis ports I would be more interested in.
But seriously, go buy or illegally download the GBC version of GTA if you haven't played it. Most of your curiosity about shrinking the game down to a cartridge and lesser hardware will be satisfied. In a way it's a rather impressive 8-bit game; the limited number of buttons on the GBC seems to be more of a hindrance than the low-powered hardware and cartridge size. If this game had come out in the 80s for Commodore 64 or NES it would've been just as popular as the series is today. GTA Advance is also kind of interesting, and a model for what a 16-bit version of the series might look like.
Dear god no. Please let games like that go away.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I'm suddenly aware how negative my first post sounds in regards to this idea. Playing GTA back in the day was a wonderful experience and I too was in awe of the sandbox ability and simply being able to drive round and explore every section of the city. In retrospect, just like Mortal Kombat, GTA feels to me like an average game that was sold mainly on the shock value of being able to mow down pedestrians with a machine gun. The gaming industry has moved on since, although it would be amazing to see the original GTA ported to the Mega Drive. :ok:
Wasn't there talk of a Payback port for MCD? Same thing, essentially.
Yes that was my topic yonks back...
Who says that playing Guitar Hero with a real Guitar wasn't possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
That video's a fake, btw :p
Just make the on foot action sequences in an isometric point of view (i.e. Landstalker) and the driving scenes in an over head view (i.e. Monaco GP). The nudie women can be represented by flat digitized low rez photos, add high quality sounds and music from CD and viola! Now if only I could code such a game!
I'd thought the same thing, when everyone was releasing platformers and shooters for the 16-bit consoles. A little variety goes a long ways, while the same old, same old makes things stagnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Lizard
Guitar HeroQuote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
Guitar Hero 2
Guitar Hero Rocks the 80s
Guitar Hero III
Guitar Hero: Aerosmith
You call this variety?
Why does it have to be a real guitar simulator? The point is having the fun of playing guitar without having to actually go and learn guitar, because, you know, I can't just pick one up and start playing instantly. If I'm actually going to have to learn to play the thing, I'm going to take a class with an actual musician, not boot up my Playstation in my living room.Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
Eh, I don't know how much you could directly compare them to FMV games, as the notes change depending on the difficulty, and there's so much more variety. Hell, go play drums in Rock Band on hard or expert and tell me that it's like playing Time Gal.Quote:
I agree 100% about the FMV thing too, the gameplay is exactly the same as games like Road Avenger, Time Gal, and Power Rangers that everyone complained were pointless, yet everyone seems to just want to praise guitar hero for its awesomeness. Yeah, you do feel like you're rocking out for about 10 minutes, but once you realize you're not even coming close to playing a real guitar you just feel stupid.
Wow, five games for a half dozen consoles in three years. What a glut. Compare that to the amount of FPS, RTS, or 3rd-person shooters released since 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
Rock Band is much better anyway.
Rock Band and Guitar Hero were really awesome initially, but I'm really getting burnt out on the whole genre now. GH: Aerosmith was a leap in the wrong direction, and following it up with a near rip-off of Rock Band this fall are not the kinds of moves that I would consider "unique" or "innovative."
If you thought the music simulator genre was bad now just wait until fall when the whole genre is upgraded to complete band kits instead of just guitars. Don't forget that Konami is also throwing a band kit out there too, in case this market didn't seem crowded enough already.
First of all, its not a PSX game, the PSX port isn't even that great (very choppy once you get in a car), its a DOS game, a DOS game with an 8-bit mode in fact, so surely it could be done perhaps sans 3D. When I played the original back in the 90's I wondered why there wasn't a Super NES port of it (now that I think of it a giant scrolling mode 7 graphic could cover all the roads etc) because the graphics were so simple. I always thought of the original GTA as more of a SNES or Genesis quality game than a PSX game.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMA Death Adder
And as for the SF II comment, I remember desperately wishing for an NES Mortal Kombat and years later when I saw the pirate I was like "I would've been happy with that." When you're a kid and you're limited by your parents whim to buy new consoles, you are very happy to suffice with a stripped down port.
The violence part of Mortal Kombat was never really the part that appealed to me, I just liked the gameplay overall. In fact, my favorite home port is the SNES version which lacks blood and most of the violence (I also own the Genesis and Sega CD versions). I hate when people dumb down great games and label them as "shock value" titles, maybe it was shocking to you, it was just fun to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Smith
The way the Fisher Price guitar handles it (from what I saw in 2 minutes at a wall mart demo unit) is that you start off more or less just strumming any/all of the strings and playing a very simple and dumbed down version of the song (like easy mode on guitar hero). As you progress, notes and specific strings are added until you fully play the song. That way, what was only an amusing game at first has evolved into a full guitar playing experience that you can take and perform on a real guitar, IMO a much better step up for expert players. Think about it, with that type of game you could walk up to a real guitar and start jammin out or even start a real band if you wanted to, to me that is much more satisfying than saying "look how fast I can mash 5 colored buttons!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
To the rest: Guitar Hero could easily have been on the Sega CD: play some generic rock video in the background (hair band or grunge band just jammin) with sprite-based notes superimposed over it and use a 6-button controller and hook it up to a guitar hero controller so that ABCXY is the 5 fret buttons and Z is the strum bar while Start is simply start.
'Modern gaming', you say? Off the top of my head: Bubsy Bobcat. Awesome Possum. Rise of the Robots. Great Giana Sisters. Primal Rage. Sonic Spinball.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMA Death Adder
You're confusing 'poor game' with 'poor port'. As for 'original concepts!!' - yeah, I'd like that too. But I can get that from the games I already have! Why should I assume that homebrew titles are somehow 'worth' more than ports or retail games?Quote:
I dislike GTA, yet even if I loved it, I still wouldn't want to see it on the Genesis. It's silly. Don't try to take a PSX game and try to forcefully downgrade it to be shoehorned onto the Genesis! Come up with an original concept that is specially tailored to the Genesis hardware and control pad while still being innovative.
Touché.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elusive
Although, your lumping of the Great Giana Sisters in with those stinkers makes me cringe, because it's such a wonderful game which (at the time) finally filled the "Mario void" for computer owners without a console. But it can still be correctly referred to as a "me too" game, even if the thought damn near brings a tear to my eye.
(I'm sorry, Giana.)