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I have to agree on this. There are a lot of different archetectures and things effecting the systems power besides the on paper specs.
Take for instance:
System A:
16-bit 16Mhz CPU
256 onscreen colors
320x192 resolution
System B:
16-bit 16Mhz CPU
256 onscreen colors
320x192 resolution
Both systems specs look identical. But what if System A had a sprite renderer, but System B only had a screen buffer? System A would be more powerful dispite having identical specs.
This blokes a nutter, oi nutter! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
this thread makes me laugh. i like how 17days answers. it is funny.
Red Zone looked good btw when I tried it.
No wonder you are the way you 17daysoldernes you want to be a lawyer. I guess you guys have to get off on an early start huh.
Reminds me of an old lawyer joke:
Dude walks into a bar and says to the bartender: "All lawyers are assholes!" drunk guy at the end of the bar says: "Hey, I resent that! I'm offended!"
The Dude asks: "You a lawyer?"
drunk guy responds: "No, I'm an asshole!"
Hehehe- man... I don't know what to say . Sooo many things wrong with that post :oQuote:
As for graphics, the SNES can have larger sprites on screen (though Streets of Rage managed somehow), but can't move them around as fast as the Genesis can. Therefore, at least in one aspect, the graphics are superior to the SNES. Maybe you would argue that's more in the realm of gameplay, but then, again, we've delved into opinion territory. Plus, what about games like "The Red Zone" that features 3D rendered environments with no additional chips or hardware? Does software 3D rendering count as graphics? Find a clip of "The Red Zone" and tell me you've seen anything like that on the SNES without a Super FX chip. And see, I have just now further proven how subjective graphics and sound can be, you can talk tech specs all day, but its up to the player to decide what is really better graphics. You need to think outside of the box and stop being a consumer whore.
And moving the sprites around onscreen is a task of the CPU, not the graphics processor. It's not even graphics related in the context of your argument. Red Zone is pseudo 3D, not real 3D. Clever tricks but that's the extent of it. For the record, the snes can do the 3D rotation MUCH better ('cause you know, it has hardware for it - higher res BG and more colors) and the other action stage just as easy (it's just two BG layers and dynamic line to create the illusion of 3D solid color walls).
I'm just going to put my 2 cents into this and separate fact from BS:
FACT: The Super NES' sound is, from a technical standpoint, superior to the Genesis. The Genesis makes use of 6 channels of FM synthesis, plus 3 channels of PSG with white noise, plus 1 PCM channel that's of very low quality(even on the TurboGrafx, PCM sounds better than the Genesis). The Super NES' sound processor, on the other hand, is entirely ADPCM-based, containing 8 ADPCM channels. This usually results in games having better sound, especially for speech. Liking the music/whatever from either system is a personal choice.
FACT: The Super NES did have a big edge over the Genesis graphics-wise, with a much larger color palette and dedicated hardware for Mode 7 scaling and rotation. The Genesis was incapable of Mode 7 scaling and rotation unless it was in a 32X game. This is why when you compare psuedo-3D games between the Genesis and the Super NES, the Genesis versions scale very badly, often being incredibly rough, while on the Super NES, the scaling doesn't have all of that roughness.
Flaming gets you no where. Turn the other cheek, brotha
Techincally, SNES sound is NOT superior to MD sound, FM synthesis is one of the most advanced ways of real time waveform generation, (AD)PCM is one of the simplest. Sample based system is easier to use though...
And the crappiness of samples on MD is caused solely by shitty sound code as the MD offers no HW help to play samples... I do think I have managed to get some fairly decent sound out of MD : http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/4/...HappyThing.ogg
I don't think either SNES or Genesis music is better than the other. The both sound really good, when done right. They both sound really bad when done wrong. You can state SNES is better if your comparing good music to a Genesis game that has scratchy sound. You can state Genesis is better if your comparing good music to an SNES game that sounds muffled.
Muffled and scratchy, the two main sound limitations the Snes and Genesis games had, wasn't appearant in every game. It's just a matter of how much effort was put into the game to make it sound right.
No offense y'all but this whole argument is utter bullstuff...
Both were great systems, both had great games and both have their detractors and fans. you are all debating what amounts to nothing when you consider the fact that a great game is a great game, even if it has some muffled sound or scratchy effects that you probably won't even notice while you're enjoying the game.
I'm not a fan of any of the nintendo franchises save megaman and therefor do not own an SNES nor do I have a desire to. It comes down to what you're a fan of and what sort of games you like. I grew up with the Genesis, I got my first one when i was three and still play it to death. I didn't give a fuck then and I don't now. I know I can't listen to Bach's 9th on the Genesis and I really don't care. What I can do is play Sonic the Hedgehog, Elemental Master, Comix Zone and Earthworm Jim which all have cool music and I love the way the Genesis makes those games sound. These are such minor things. So is mode 7, if I cared so much about mode 7 i'd only play sega CD games. I love my Sega CD and all, but for other reasons than clear stereo/mode 7. I didn't go out looking for a Sega CD or rent a Sega CD system every other week when I was a kid because I thought "ooooh mode 7 graphics, scaling, true stereo and cd quality sound!" I rented and now own a Sega CD because I could fucking play Sonic CD and Robo Aleste.
So do you people even play your systems? Or do you place them on little boxes, dress them in orange uniforms and judge them all day? Lecture them about how inferior they are to their competition and decide that yeah, you might own it, but damn it, it's sound quality is sure lacking.
"Damn you Genesis, you won't be played! The SNES is superior! But I'll keep you around to gloat over you while I enjoy clear voice samples from my SNES!! Hahahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!!!!"
You all just need to sit down, crack open a brew and fire up some Golden Axe or Sonic 2, take a deep breath and take in the greatness...
Or just shut the hell up and move on, it's up to you.
I love you guys and all, but this is getting re-god-damned-iculous
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I still love you...don't listen to them, for they know not what they say...you rule...
Turbo Duo> Genesis+SNES
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Originally Posted by Metal_Sonic
Metal Sonic, I'm so disappointed in you man...
How, how can you say that?...
Is there any admin around willin' to ban someone today?
Aye, I have more games I want to own or already own for that than the Super NES or Genesis combined.