I really want to take the bait on that last comment but I don't even care anymore. This thread is even boring me now. More video games less politics. Joe please close this thing.
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I really want to take the bait on that last comment but I don't even care anymore. This thread is even boring me now. More video games less politics. Joe please close this thing.
God they both suck, they are both boring, they are both windbags!!!!
This election is boring, if our entire futures weren't at stake, I wouldn't even vote.
I'm writing in the sage: http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages...lder.large.jpg
He will fix america man...he will...
I'll be writing in Lyndon LaRouche, as I always do.
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Originally Posted by Benjamin
I'm sorry but I am niether a Conspiracy person nor an extremist.
Obamacrimes.com is a real web site RUN BY A DEMOCRAT and challenges that Obama is not a legal citizen. This in my opinion is the least of all the accusations about him.
1. Creature of the Ford Foundation
2. Involved with Gangster Tony Rezko
3. Involved with Bill Ayres and Bernadine Dorhn (Weathermen Terrorist Bombers)
4. Owned lock stock and barrel by Wallstreet (Mainly Goldman Sachs)
5. Voted against Low income Heating for Maine
6. Voted for the FISA (Destroy the 4th Amendment) Bill
7. Voted and lobbied for the WALLSTREET - GOLDMAN SACHS BAILOUT and the looting of the American treasury for bankrupt and worthless gambling paper debts of these investment banks, not tax payers, WALLSTREET.
8. Wants the continue the wars and START new wars with Pakistan which he said last night in the debate.
Come on, He is not your savior.
McCain sucks but at least he will be a lame duck the minute he gets in.
I'll ignore the first four accusations since they are laughably ignorant and conspiracy minded. Having a person state they will vote for you is not the same as being in cahoots with him, though you're welcome to tow the nutcase line. :p
Funny, because Michigan already has low income assistance for utility bills including to help shore the fueling price increases of this year. Obama has such a commanding lead in Michigan that McCain has resigned the state. Yep, that sure sounds like the work of something increasing prices on a state's residents since we know people vote with their wallet.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheEdge
FISA was passed in 1978. Ah, is there any truth and history crackpot ignorance can't distort?Quote:
6. Voted for the FISA (Destroy the 4th Amendment) Bill
If you kept up with the real world instead of Internet conspiracy sites, then you'd know THE ENTIRE WORLD is engaged in bailout packages to assist struggling banks as they deal with the sub-prime mortage mess. MCCAIN AGREES AND HAS VOTED FOR THIS SAME BAILOUT.Quote:
7. Voted and lobbied for the WALLSTREET - GOLDMAN SACHS BAILOUT and the looting of the American treasury for bankrupt and worthless gambling paper debts of these investment banks, not tax payers, WALLSTREET.
He said he will pursue Osama Bin Laden if he were to flee to Pakistan (it's assumed he's there already). McCain just doesn't know what to do about Osama Bin Laden and never has. I love how McCain and his supporters equate getting shot out of a plane several times as foreign policy experience. I suppose it's better than Palin's "Gosh, Alaska is kinda close to Russia, so I got experience, too!" though it's not saying much.Quote:
8. Wants the continue the wars and START new wars with Pakistan which he said last night in the debate.
Who said he's a savior? He's just the best choice of the two. Reagan won the 1980 election encouraging voters stating: "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" It's an interesting parallel, as gas prices and shortages soared during Carter's administration, and, as stated earlier, people voted with their wallet. Will it be enough to quell the racists and crackpots out there? That's to be seen, but polls have been encouraging, and McCain and Palin look to be out of touch and just plain sack of bricks dumb with each interview and day that marches toward the election.Quote:
Come on, He is not your savior.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t...egislatio.htmlQuote:
FISA was passed in 1978. Ah, is there any truth and history crackpot ignorance can't distort?
"Obama Supports FISA Legislation, Angering Left"
It wasnt Michigan it was Maine my bad, and Obama said DROP DEAD to all those poor people in Maine, Ready for the facts?Quote:
Funny, because Michigan already has low income assistance for utility bills including to help shore the fueling price increases of this year. Obama has such a commanding lead in Michigan that McCain has resigned the state. Yep, that sure sounds like the work of something increasing prices on a state's residents since we know people vote with their wallet.
Obama To Maine - 'Drop Dead'
Blocked Emergency LIHEAP Money For Maine This Winter
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AUGUSTA -- Barack Obama's chief economics adviser Austan Goolsbee today boasted that the Obama campaign had helped to prevent emergency heating assistance for low-income families from being included in the just-approved economic stimulus package which is now on its way to President Bush's desk for signature. An increase in federal low-income heating assistance (known as LIHEAP), Goolsbee pointed out, had been championed by Obama's opponent, New York Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton. Goolsbee's remarks came in an interview this morning with Carl Quintanilla of CNBC business news television.
Goolsbee stressed that the main difference between Obama and Clinton was that Obama was "more respectful of market forces." Goolsbee was adamant that Obama was opposed to expanding the stimulus package to include "money for low-income heating assistance through a bureaucratic program."
Goolsbee's statements came just one day after leaders of the Maine legislature had convened in Augusta to face the dire situation of low income families who cannot afford to heat their homes this winter, partly as a result of the sky-high price of heating oil. Some influential members of the Legislature spoke of taking money from Maine's Rainy Day reserves to help people who are running short of heating oil this winter. Supporters of the proposed move said the high price of heating oil is cutting into the size of deliveries to households receiving Low Income Home Energy Assistance (LIHEAP), with many low-income families not being able to afford a full tank. This puts many Maine residents in danger of going without heat, as House Speaker Glen Cummings of Portland noted.
Cummings and other Democratic and Republican lawmakers want to take $5 million from the state's reserve funds to make sure that LIHEAP deliveries fill the tank. "With Maine facing a large-scale budget crisis, this is money that we can ill afford to spend. We need help from the federal government to face the consequences of George Bush's obscene love affair with Big Oil," said independent US Senate candidate Laurie Dobson. "Mrs. Clinton wanted to send us some help right away, but Obama's circle of right-wing elitist economics professors stepped in to block that help. By bragging about this criminal swindle on CNBC to the Wall Street crowd, Obama's man Goolsbee is in effect saying to Mainers, 'Drop dead.' Many here will want use the Maine Democratic caucus on Sunday, Feb. 10 to send Obama and Goolsbee a message and tell them what they think of this chiseling. I understand that Goolsbee like Bush is a Skull and Bones member, and a follower of Milton Friedman's Chicago School, the ones who worked with Pinochet in Chile. If this is what Obama will do in the White House, we don't want any part of it," Dobson added.
Goolsbee also used his CNBC interview today to repeat that Obama is opposed to solving "the mortgage crisis by freezing interest rates," a freeze which Wall Street is lobbying against. Such a "teaser freezer" would prevent rapacious mortgage bankers from re-setting upward the interest rates on Adjustable Rate Mortgages which they sold to unsuspecting homeowners. If there is no such freeze, monthly mortgage payments will suddenly rise for millions of current homeowners, forcing many of them out on the street through foreclosure because of their inability to pay the new, higher rate. "Mrs. Clinton has proposed a five-year freeze on mortgage interest rates," commented Senate candidate Dobson, "but that seems to be a voluntary program so far. I am proposing a compulsory federal law to block interest rate hikes and outlaw all foreclosures for at least five years, or for as long as this depression lasts. Once again, Mrs. Clinton goes in the right direction, but Obama's right-wing economists are offering nothing to the hard-pressed homeowners of Maine. Paul Krugman, a real economist, is right: the choice between Clinton and Obama could not be clearer," she concluded.
For the proposal to dip into the Maine Rainy Day fund, see:
http://www.wmtw.com/politics/1524549...=port&psp=news
For the Goolsbee interview, see:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=643470081&play=1
The statement was that he voted for and lobbied for it.....and he did. Please wake up.Quote:
If you kept up with the real world instead of Internet conspiracy sites, then you'd know THE ENTIRE WORLD is engaged in bailout packages to assist struggling banks as they deal with the sub-prime mortage mess. MCCAIN AGREES AND HAS VOTED FOR THIS SAME BAILOUT.
The Wallstreet Billionaire Bailout Obama Vote - Yes
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/30/campaign.wrap/
Once again the Statement was that he wants to continue the war in Iraq and Start a new war in Pakistan WITHOUT asking the Pakistani government for authorization to drop bombs on their country. Open season on Pakistani'sQuote:
He said he will pursue Osama Bin Laden if he were to flee to Pakistan (it's assumed he's there already). McCain just doesn't know what to do about Osama Bin Laden and never has. I love how McCain and his supporters equate getting shot out of a plane several times as foreign policy experience. I suppose it's better than Palin's "Gosh, Alaska is kinda close to Russia, so I got experience, too!" though it's not saying much.
Wake up Please.
I guess everyone is a extremist or crackpot. You should apply for a job at Fox News you sound just like Bill O'Reilly. Any more vague generalizations and name calling>?
.....So you can't addressed these problems with your new Messiah?
Obamacrimes.com is a real web site RUN BY A DEMOCRAT and challenges that Obama is not a legal citizen. This in my opinion is the least of all the accusations about him.
1. Creature of the Ford Foundation
2. Involved with Gangster Tony Rezko
3. Involved with Bill Ayres and Bernadine Dorhn (Weathermen Terrorist Bombers)
4. Owned lock stock and barrel by Wallstreet (Mainly Goldman Sachs)
Its pretty clear that TheEdge needs to vote for Mr. Smith.
if Mr. Smith was on the ballot he would definitley have my vote.
Who gives a shit about Rezko and Ayers? What exactly did Obama do wrong with respect to those two individuals? Nobody has accused Obama of any specific wrongdoing. His "associations" with them are tenuous at best.
That article you quote on the heating oil thing is extremely misleading. Obama never said "Drop dead". Nobody connected with Obama said "Drop dead". Independent US Senate candidate Laurie Dobson, whoever the hell that is, inserted those words into the mouth of one of Obama's economic advisors.
And for what it's worth, I don't think low-income heating assistance should come from the federal government. That is the kind of thing that should be administered by the states. I don't think California and Florida should have to send money to Michigan and Maine for their heating bills. It's not like we get air conditioning assistance in return.
I will say that I disagreed with Obama on the recent FISA bill and the bailout. But that's not nearly enough for me to buy into any anti-Obama hysteria. And those two issues happen to be cases of Obama siding with the right, so it's not like McCain would be any better.
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Originally Posted by TheEdge
:roll: Come on man. Come. On. You're basing all of your arguments on either extreme websites or McCain talking points.
Obama isn't anyone's savior. He's a politician. We've seen a million of them before, and we'll see a million more. Obama just happens to be preaching policy change in a time when it's desperately needed. That's why people - like me - will be voting for him.
Do I expect the economy to pull a 180? No. Do I expect the US to seemlessly pull out of Iraq? Of course not. And do expect every child, man, and woman to have affordable health care when we're currently spending close to a trillion dollars on a wallstreet bailout? Nope. But in order to get to one's destination, one must start by traveling in the right direction.
I agree, but Obama is not the right direction. Obama is the continuation of the Jimmy Carter Policy. Obama's foriegn policy advisor Zbignew Brezenzski is a Cold War - War Hawk. Obama's economic advisor is a chicago school disciple / Skull and Bones Yale member. Scary stuff, Not the right direction.Quote:
Come on man. Come. On. You're basing all of your arguments on either extreme websites or McCain talking points.
Obama isn't anyone's savior. He's a politician. We've seen a million of them before, and we'll see a million more. Obama just happens to be preaching policy change in a time when it's desperately needed. That's why people - like me - will be voting for him.
Do I expect the economy to pull a 180? No. Do I expect the US to seemlessly pull out of Iraq? Of course not. And do expect every child, man, and woman to have affordable health care when we're currently spending close to a trillion dollars on a wallstreet bailout? Nope. But in order to get to one's destination, one must start by traveling in the right direction.
All I have been saying is that Obama is just as bad as McCain, In my opinion even worse.
I'm a life long Democrat, I'm for the working class but I am voting for McCain. When McCain gets into office he will be a lame duck president and won't have the pull Obama has to bomb 3rd world nations using the tattered American name (Pakistan). Obama has a scary backround and scary advisors and I don't trust him. Best thing to do is check out all the info with an opened mind and not play the Left / Right / Red / Blue controlled politics garbage.
It almost feels like I'm in a bizarro world. When did Obama become the warmonger over John McCain?!
He hasn't said he's going to bomb Pakistan. He even repeated that last night. Again, it's just a McCain fear tactic.
And if you're worried about Obama and Pakistan, how in the world aren't you worried about McCain and Iran and North Korea?
McCain does not have a mass movement of kool-aid cult members and drooling acolytes that will rally behind him because of the so called "Change". Is sacrificing living standards change? Check out this quote from Obama.
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According to Obama, America will have to “lead by example”:
"We can't drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we're living in the desert or we're living in the tundra, and then just expect every other country is going to say OK, you know, you guys go ahead keep on using 25 percent of the world's energy, even though you only account for 3 percent of the population, and we'll be fine. Don't worry about us. That's not leadership." Barack Obama
Obama’s rhetoric brings to mind former President Jimmy Carter’s ill-starred “malaise” speech. During the 1970s oil crisis Carter, clad in a cardigan, called on Americans to turn down the heat and start wearing sweaters. Carter’s speech conveyed a sense of helplessness and a lack of hope in America’s future, and some political observers have described it as the beginning of the end of his presidency.
Is that the Change we can believe in? Can' t eat as much as we want? Can't Heat my Home?
I understand about SUVs but come on...
I had to read that one in my history classes.
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Originally Posted by TheEdge
Sounds like he was saying that we shouldn't be the wasteful pigs we are.
Which I agree with.
This country is wasteful. Claiming "I can't do this or that" doesn't change the wasteful habits of this country, its just an excuse to continue wasting resources to keep yourself happy.