The U.S. Election

The American individual's living standard has been cut by 60% since the death of JFK. Lets sacrifice even more. No more food. No more jobs. Tent Cities and Mad Max.

God forbid we blame the multinational corporations that hide sustainable technology and market giant wasteful practices and products to the american population. Its not the souless corporate borg Noooo its the American People they are the cause of it all. Most of them cant find the US on the map but NOOOO its the Americans peoples faults for everything.

That sounds like the poor people being blamed for this world economic depression because they were fooled into signing predatory mortgages. Instead of blaming the Banks for loan sharking practices they blame minimum wage earning workers.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...I5ZGgD9398LEG0

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5126


Ron Paul smacks down Obama

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5133

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

Is that the Change we can believe in? Can' t eat as much as we want? Can't Heat my Home?

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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. That's what he was talking about. By all means, heat your home. But do you really need to keep it at 72 degrees? I think Carter was right, actually. Wear a fucking sweater.

So the unwashed peasants should wear a sweater while Wall Street Monarchs and Corporate Royalty drive around in diesel powered hummers limos, live in mansions where it costs $30,000 dollars a year to heat their houses, and wear blood diamonds from africa?

Where does this hatred come from?

Who are we kidding here.

Tell the Aristocracy to wear a sweater first before you scream at poor and middle class families because thats what Carter and his clone Obama is calling for.

As you can see in the above quote its not austerity for the rich but austerity for YOU.

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

So the unwashed peasants should wear a sweater while Wall Street Monarchs and Corporate Royalty drive around in diesel powered hummers limos, live in mansions where it costs $30,000 dollars a year to heat their houses, and wear blood diamonds from africa?

Where does this hatred come from?

Who are we kidding here.

Tell the Aristocracy to wear a sweater first before you scream at poor and middle class families because thats what Carter and his clone Obama is calling for.

As you can see in the above quote its not austerity for the rich but austerity for YOU.

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When did Obama or Carter tell the poor to wear sweaters but not the rich? He's commenting that we can all do a little to serve the overall good.

I'm sorry Edge, but my whole life revolves around studying political systems and politicians, and I just think you're being waaaay too cynical. I see the faults in the American political system - namely the corruption in Washington through lobbyists - but to accuse Obama of half the things you do is just kind of wacky.

You guys cant be serious, any literate person can read the quotes and links and come to the same conclusion.

I'm done. Good Debate. Guess I'm "wacky"

Merchant Girolamo Priuli Quote

"There were still many who did not wish to believe it, even when the aforesaid caravels had arrived....because they did not wish it to be"

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

You guys cant be serious, any literate person can read the quotes and links and come to the same conclusion.

I'm done. Good Debate. Guess I'm "wacky"

Merchant Girolamo Priuli Quote

"There were still many who did not wish to believe it, even when the aforesaid caravels had arrived....because they did not wish it to be"

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I didn't intend to come off as an ass with the "wacky" remark, I apologize for that.

One thing I think you guys are missing is that its completely misleading to just make a judgment based on one vote on a particular bill when you have no idea what a particular bill actually does.

"so and so voted against healthcare for babies!"

what they don't tell you is 50 congressmen/20 senators attached 30 different riders/amendments to that bill to also fund bridge building projects etc. Not every bill that goes over the floor of congress is an up or down vote, but goes through amendment after amendment and many times congressmen attach these amendments to edge out funding for their own states for unrelated projects knowing that no sane person would vote against healtcare for babies.

So just saying "hey he voted against such and such" is probably not only over-simplified, but just misleading. Dollars to donuts says you have no idea what else was riding on such and such bill and therefor he/she may have had a damn good reason to vote against it.

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

So the unwashed peasants should wear a sweater while Wall Street Monarchs and Corporate Royalty drive around in diesel powered hummers limos, live in mansions where it costs $30,000 dollars a year to heat their houses, and wear blood diamonds from africa?

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Uh, exactly the opposite. They were speaking against that sort of excess.

Didn't your mother ever tell you, "waste not, want not"? Reducing consumption is a no-brainer. It baffles me that anyone would react negatively to such a suggestion.

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Tell the Aristocracy to wear a sweater first before you scream at poor and middle class families because thats what Carter and his clone Obama is calling for.

As you can see in the above quote its not austerity for the rich but austerity for YOU.

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I don't subscribe to the Marxist idea of class warfare, or that every issue boils down to the proles versus the bourgeoisie. Nobody's screaming. Conservation has nothing to do with the aristocracy specifically. It's something we all should do. With the possible exception of nudists, nobody needs to keep their house at 72 degrees. Telling people to crank it down a notch is not an affront on the poor. It's common sense.

Check out these recommendations from California's Flex Your Power group:

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Dress appropriately to the weather. In summer, wear lighter clothing to reduce the need for air conditioning. In winter, put on a sweater before cranking up the heat.
During the summer, a 5°F higher setting on your air conditioning thermostat will save about 10% on cooling costs.
During the winter, set the thermostat to 68°F when you are home (health permitting) and lower when you are away. Lowering the temperature 3 to 5°F can save you up to 20% on heating costs.

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The above is not an attack on poor people. It's a list of practical suggestions.

The Edge is right. If Obama is elected our nation will turn EVIL! We are on the brink of destruction! Don't for Obama if you don't want the nation to die!!!!!!! Run!!! Flee!!! Say the moon landing is a conspiracy!!!!

PS - Poor people suck.

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Guess I'm "wacky"

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At least you admit it :D

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

That sounds like the poor people being blamed for this world economic depression because they were fooled into signing predatory mortgages. Instead of blaming the Banks for loan sharking practices they blame minimum wage earning workers.

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No, the banks *ARE* to blame for letting damn near anyone get loans. Banks brought this upon all of us.

But I don't understand how your rant I got that bit from has anything do using your brain and conserving. The point of conserving is to *SAVE* money from going into the pockets of big companies and big oil. You make it seem like its some terrible burden to recycle, ride a bike, or to not eat so much you turn into a lard ass.

"I shouldn't have to turn my temp up in the summer." "I shouldn't have to walk my kid to school, I should be able to drive him there every day."

It's *THAT* "I should be able to do what I want" attitude that is one of the problems with this country.

I thought Obama was to blame for our financial situation. Someone started a thread on that, didn't they? Obama is also responsible for the holocaust in WW2.

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

Obama is also responsible for the holocaust in WW2.

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I'm glad somebody finally said it. I saw Obama kick a puppy once, too.

Obama stole my lunch in Junior High.

I have a 32X game I wanted to make a thread about but I keep coming back here. Dammit.

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Uh, exactly the opposite. They were speaking against that sort of excess.

Didn't your mother ever tell you, "waste not, want not"? Reducing consumption is a no-brainer. It baffles me that anyone would react negatively to such a suggestion.

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So you think Goldman-Sachs wants their own people to start conserving? Goldman-Sachs are the highest contributors to the Obama campaign. You really believe that these wallstreet parasites have given Obama alll this money to restrict the very people that have been contributing to his campaign? and I'm not talking about the people at the bottom I'm talking about the CEO that get paid 98% more than the rest of their employee's and have 10 million dollar bonuses. I'm sorry but I guess I'm rusty at psychological gymnastics, I dont see your point.

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I don't subscribe to the Marxist idea of class warfare, or that every issue boils down to the proles versus the bourgeoisie. Nobody's screaming. Conservation has nothing to do with the aristocracy specifically. It's something we all should do. With the possible exception of nudists, nobody needs to keep their house at 72 degrees. Telling people to crank it down a notch is not an affront on the poor. It's common sense.

Check out these recommendations from California's Flex Your Power group:

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I wasn't advocating class warfare. What I was trying to tell you is that the government under Carter and Obama (Clone) will order you to sacrifice. You know, to save polar bears and snails and such. His contributors will sail around on golden diesel powered yachts but you my friends will have to put on sweaters and heat yourselves by flaming barrels underneath bridges. No jobs, No power, sorry you have to sacrifice. If people in Africa have no warm water you wont have it either. Nice change.

Please read my links from previous posts and break the Obama conditioning.

he will not save you.