Sega Collection 3D rendered?

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Originally Posted by Melf

Am I the only one who remembers the deluge of me-too beat-'em-ups and cutesy mascot platformers that dominated the 16-bit era? Or the tons of SFII wannabees?

Did I miss something?

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Woah there, Ken. Are you suggesting that game developers of the early 90's were just as lazy, money-grubbing, and opportunistic as they are today?? Poppy cock! The very notion would imply that my rose-hued visions of those games from my pre-teens are somewhat skewed!

You are so right, Melf. Today people have the tendency to look at old times with a very nostalgic view; but man, even back then there were many games that were just crappy or average. I´d even go as far as to say that overall the 16-Bit age was not a too innovative era, with fighting games and platformers dominating, stuff you could have played on former gen consoles too.

Every generation has it´s share of innovation and quality. Seeing the old times as the times when all was better is a sign of your fond memories; children are not as critical as grown-ups, and I believe that quite a few titles you look back at with fond memories would not live up to expectations if you could have an unbiased view on them.

There have always been and will always be developers walking on well-known paths to get a share of the latest hype; today it´s the many FPS, back then it was all the fluffy J´n´R mascots or fighters.

And actually I like cutscenes very much, and hunting for useless trinkets, doing stuff on the side; that is a great value for me.

On the other hand in many 16-Bit games you would have to memorize enemy-positions and movement schemes, and start over and over again doing the same levels many times until you someday finish the game. Is that any more motivating?

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

Which is worse; numerous cutscenes and backtracking or a relentless brutal, throwing-your-controller-against-the-wall difficulty to artificially extend the life of a game?

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Individually, the difficulty may seem worse, but IMO, in aggregate, I prefer the difficulty.

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Originally Posted by Melf

Am I the only one who remembers the deluge of me-too beat-'em-ups and cutesy mascot platformers that dominated the 16-bit era? Or the tons of SFII wannabees?

Did I miss something?

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I remember those, but I would say that on average I enjoyed the beat 'em ups, cutesy mascot platformers, and SFII wannabes more than this generation's equivalents. The "me-too" games are more annoying when you don't even like the game they're copying. I like 2d platformers a lot, so I even enjoy many of the more derivative ones. I never liked anything resembling "brain training" to begin with, so there's about a hundred games I automatically don't like.

I was pissed that Sega did not include the 3D remake of After Burner II (its Japan only) on the Sega Classics Collection.

It could've happened since Sega Ages 2500 Vol. 10 (ABII) was released in Japan, early 2004, well before Sega Classics Collection came out (2005) in the U.S.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

All of those elements that are apparently missing from current games are purely subjective. Granted, I purchase games very carefully, so it may only be because of this that I have been completely satisfied with each game's presentation. Why don't you give me a handful of examples of games from the past that met all your standards and compare them against a handful of current games that did not.

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Sorry, I am way too lazy to create a list of modern games that I feel are bad. The only thing that I will say to conclude my argument is that I have played well made modern games ranging from the Dreamcast - PS2 - and even PS3 BUT many (not all) cannot hold a candle to even the most simplest arcade classics regarding issues ranging from difficulty to gameplay.

Hence why Sega-16 is for me.

Yeah, I realized how vague that question was after I posted it. I was just curious how our definitions differed. We'll just agree to disagree