Top 100 Mega Drive Games

After spending weeks working on this I've finally got it up and running, it took long enough just to make the list but then my PC got a virus and I had to format my harddrive and start it again, anyway I'm not massively happy with the way it turned out at the moment but I've decided that I want to update my lists on a yearly basis so I'm hoping that by the time of my next list some of my opinions will have polarised somewhat.

here is the list http://retro-sanctuary.com/TOP%20100...0page%201.html

Please keep criticism friendly i'm not in the mood for it right now, i'm fine with "so and so should've placed higher lower" or "this game should've made the list" as that'll help me when I get around to revising it, just don't post insults ok :)

I love this list, Sonic 3 is on top :D

Ristar deserves a higher place though...

At the moment I just hoping it's better than the Screw Atack one :D

Also I started to make a Honourable mentions section but I mucked up the page and decided not to bother, if anyone interested it's buggy but it's herehttp://retro-sanctuary.com/Hournable...a%20Drive.html(this doesn't join to my website in any way at the moment and can only be found through this link)

Some excellent choices there. :)


There are entries that I wouldn't put on a Top 100, but hey, it's your list.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Some excellent choices there. :)


There are entries that I wouldn't put on a Top 100, but hey, it's your list.

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Dude I'm fine with, tell me which games, the more opinions the more helpfull at this stage.

Yeah, I meant to do that, but it would have taken time I didn't have. I will post my opinion later. Overall that's some damn fine work. Kudos for including Wonderboy in Monsterworld into the Top-20! :)

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Yeah, I meant to do that, but it would have taken time I didn't have. I will post my opinion later. Overall that's some damn fine work. Kudos for including Wonderboy in Monsterworld into the Top-20! :)

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At the moment I'm thinking that my Top 100 Master System games will end up being Wonder Boy heaven (when I get around to making it, gonna rest for a bit at the mo)

You have done a bloody good job, I`m happy where my favourite games have placed like Dune 2 and Mortal Kombat 2 and not to mention Sonic!!!

I like the list (Phantasy Star IV is #2) :). I would have put Panorama Cotton and Puyo Puyo Tsuu somewhere on it.

I liked it, was good fun reading all the comments and you covered most of my faves as well as some overlooked titles.

I think some of the comments could be longer, sometimes you seemed more excited about a 70-90 range game than a top 30 one, or didn't say too much about the game itself (landstalker or ps2 for example).

And do you really like Wonder Boy? Because I didn't see Monster World IV on the list. ^^

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I liked it, was good fun reading all the comments and you covered most of my faves as well as some overlooked titles.

I think some of the comments could be longer, sometimes you seemed more excited about a 70-90 range game than a top 30 one, or didn't say too much about the game itself (landstalker or ps2 for example).

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Yeah I know I'm quite bad for this I think it's the rooting for the underdog part of me, I like to give credit to the lesser known games and a lot of the time when writing for the top 30 I found myself thinking "everybody already knows about this game anyway"

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And do you really like Wonder Boy? Because I didn't see Monster World IV on the list. ^^

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I kept wondering what I should do with imports, I know a lot of people don't like to use emulators and stuff so that just left playing it with Japanese text on real machines, a lot of other imports went in due to their accessible self explanatory nature

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Yeah I know I'm quite bad for this I think it's the rooting for the underdog part of me, I like to give credit to the lesser known games and a lot of the time when writing for the top 30 I found myself thinking "everybody already knows about this game anyway"

I kept wondering what I should do with imports, I know a lot of people don't like to use emulators and stuff so that just left playing it with Japanese text on real machines, a lot of other imports went in due to their accessible self explanatory nature

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Fair enough, I'm really the same anyway. I guess for the popular games you have to go at it from a different angle, give your personal take on the game or dive into unknown facts about it.

Yeah I personally don't mind emulation, it's accurate enough and I even prefer it with some games. Didn't realize you own all those imports though, rethpect :)

I liked the nes list too! Great comment on Little Nemo.

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Originally Posted by jesus.arnold

After spending weeks working on this I've finally got it up and running, it took long enough just to make the list but then my PC got a virus and I had to format my harddrive and start it again, anyway I'm not massively happy with the way it turned out at the moment but I've decided that I want to update my lists on a yearly basis so I'm hoping that by the time of my next list some of my opinions will have polarised somewhat.

here is the list http://retro-sanctuary.com/TOP%20100...0page%201.html

Please keep criticism friendly i'm not in the mood for it right now, i'm fine with "so and so should've placed higher lower" or "this game should've made the list" as that'll help me when I get around to revising it, just don't post insults ok :)

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I have to say that this is a very well rounded Top 100 and I have no complaints about it what so ever. It brings the best of both worlds to the table. The well known favorites mixed in with some obscure ones that we should not overlook.

Good Job!

1 Question: For Street Fighter 2 are you lumping all the SF's into one catagory because so many came out on the MegaDrive / Genesis?

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Yeah I personally don't mind emulation, it's accurate enough and I even prefer it with some games. Didn't realize you own all those imports though, rethpect :)

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Nah I don't own every single game unfortunately, but I do own a large part of the list, I don't have a problem with emulation myself, but many peple do, and also I think that when talking about retro games it should be primarily about the real hardware.

Someone already brought up the fact that Alien Soldier wasn't released in the US and so shouldn't be on the list on another forum.

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1 Question: For Street Fighter 2 are you lumping all the SF's into one catagory because so many came out on the MegaDrive / Genesis?

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There were 2 street fighter 2s for the MD, Super was probably the best but tbh they're still the same game Super just has more options and characters. I'll write Super on it later when I get around to it I guess.

Good list, not the order I would have put some of my favorites, but a very good list! Good work! Oh and you misspelled rabbits on Wiz N' Liz.

Good list, but I don't like them being numbered like that. And OT, but is anyone else miffed about the fact IGN's top 100 of all time includes only a handful of Sega titles? Most of the game are Nintendo titles. IGN's lists are ridiculously biased.

I like 97% of your list, but I'm not happy with Shining in the Darkness being ranked below Phantasy Star III.

I've already stated my opinion of Virtua Racing on the Genny; It doesn't deserve a spot in the top 25 by any means.

Rep +1 for a very respectable list.

Well, about Street Fighter....there opinions vary greatly. I absolutely prefer the SCE from Super, because Super really fucked up a lot of graphics.

And please, Monster World IV just belongs in there. It would definately range in my top 3! :D

Overall such a list is very hard to do...but it baffles me that you would put Sonic 2 on 70, behind stuff like Wiz´n Liz...just like Revenge of Shinobi, having it not in the top 10 is a crime!

I canno9t agree with all your entries in the NES top 100 either...^^
I must say that I do not know many of the games especially from 50 - 100, but placing Dragon Warrior IV and Final Fantasy I so damn low is a punch in my face. Both of them should be definately in the top 20, with DW IV being the best NES-RPG, even outclassing early MD RPGs.
Also SMB 1 is still top, I must say that the controls are still better than most 16-Bit Jump´n Runs, and while the graphics are blocky the soundtrack is one of the best and most memorable ones ever. It was incredible, I was at work and had a website open with some pic of Mario, and immediately another guy started humming the underground theme^^ HE is not a videogame freak and hasn´t played since the SNES days and only vaguely remembers the games, but this track immediately sprang to mind! :D

Well, overall it is much a matter of personal taste, and if I were to make a list there would definately be some radical changes. But I do see the effort you put in it, it is extremely hard to compile such a list. Hell, I even have problems to order my top 10! You know, sometimes you think, "of course, game X has to be higher on the list than game y", but then you notice that the game after y is better than x but worse than y in a way...don´t know if you understand what I mean. Maybe I should try to make such a list too, without text....hmh....

Your website is pretty cool btw! ;)

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And please, Monster World IV just belongs in there. It would definately range in my top 3! :D

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I know it's a shame that it's not included but I want the whole list to be real games, and the real MWIV isn't exactly accesible written entirely in Japanese

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Overall such a list is very hard to do...but it baffles me that you would put Sonic 2 on 70, behind stuff like Wiz´n Liz...

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It's in 70 because I have a low opinion of it, and have no idea why anyone would think otherwise other than nostalgia, it's worse than Sonic 1 and 3 in every single respect.

not only that but there's another thing thats a bit harder to explain, I wouldn't recommend someone playing three sonic games before they get to Wiz N Liz which is a completely different experience, Play Sonic 3, and maybe Sonic 1 and then move onto other things as a priority, Sonic 2 is behind a lot of other, more unique games because it's gameplay is already found in the rest of it's series.

There's actually another reason too, I don't want people to check out the list and find loads of Sonic games in the top 30 as this would indicate a large dependance on the character that I don't feel that the Mega Drive has.

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Originally Posted by 108 Stars

just like Revenge of Shinobi, having it not in the top 10 is a crime!

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I dunno with this one, to me pushing out one of the top 10 to fit in two shinobi games would've been more of a crime.

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I cannot agree with all your entries in the NES top 100 either...^^
I must say that I do not know many of the games especially from 50 - 100, but placing Dragon Warrior IV and Final Fantasy I so damn low is a punch in my face. Both of them should be definately in the top 20, with DW IV being the best NES-RPG, even outclassing early MD RPGs.

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You might be right, maybe I was a bit harsh on them, It's just that I feel that presentation has a lot of importance where it comes to RPG's, I never thought that 8-bit's did a particularly good job with them a lot of the time, maybe when I update the list next year I might rethink their placings.

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Also SMB 1 is still top, I must say that the controls are still better than most 16-Bit Jump´n Runs, and while the graphics are blocky the soundtrack is one of the best and most memorable ones ever.

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Whenever I play the first Super Mario Bros now the first thing that strikes me is how basic it is, how little there is to the gameplay and how barren the graphics are, I really wouldn't say the controls are particularly good either especially not compared to other NES platformers.

The thing with the NES is that there are masses and masses of games on it that all rip off Super Mario Bros, but at the same time add their own little touches and update the graphics, so it's my opinion that it was left behind somewhat, if the list was based on importance then Super Mario Bros would've reached the top 3 easily.

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You know, sometimes you think, "of course, game X has to be higher on the list than game y", but then you notice that the game after y is better than x but worse than y in a way...don´t know if you understand what I mean. Maybe I should try to make such a list too, without text....hmh....

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Yeah I was constantly having this problem, it's also very difficult to compare games of different genres.

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Your website is pretty cool btw! ;)

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Thanks :)

I don't necessarily agree with every last detail (I thought Battletoads was better for the Genesis than it was for the NES, and I really didn't like Kirby's Adventure) but I really like both your Top 100 lists!

I even got a couple of new ideas for which games to get next :)

I've been sitting here playing Puggsy and thinking, the Mega Drive was probably one of the first consoles with a universal game library, it had loads of games made from every part of the world, before that Europe was obsessed with computers, and the Japanese never made games for non-Japanese machines anyway.

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I've been sitting here playing Puggsy and thinking, the Mega Drive was probably one of the first consoles with a universal game library, it had loads of games made from every part of the world, before that Europe was obsessed with computers, and the Japanese never made games for non-Japanese machines anyway.

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That's not entirely true.

Sega published games on the Amiga and C-64 computers. Capcom released Bionic Commando on the C-64 and the Amiga. And Konami brought Super-C to the Amiga computer and Salamander to the C-64.

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That's not entirely true.

Sega published games on the Amiga and C-64 computers. Capcom released Bionic Commando on the C-64 and the Amiga. And Konami brought Super-C to the Amiga computer and Salamander to the C-64.

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no they didn't the ports of Bionic Commando were made by Software creations, Salamander was made by Imagine and released by Ocean, Super C on the Amiga was made by a canadian company called Unlimited Software.

I can't think of one C64 game made by Sega, I can however think of a good 10-20 Sega arcade ports programmed by Ocean.

The Japanese wouldn't touch the C64 or Amiga with a barge pole, 99% of the Japanese arcade games were ported by people from the UK, and the Japanese companies didn't seem to care how the ported versions turned out either.

I guess that you did still kinda' get the Japanese experience on the micros but only in a second hand way, which sometimes worked out and at other times was awful. You also need to remember that you'd only get Japanese arcade ports, no original software (most Japanese people probably hadn't even heard of a C64, they were too busy with the plethora of Japanese computers such as the MSX, Sharp, NEC PC or Fujitsu FM) this is why there are so few (if any) JRPG's on the C64.

The Amiga was even worse off than the 64' as it had very few North American developers working on it as well as no Japanese, most of it's software was created in Europe.

^ I vouch for everything you say.. which is why I was thankful I got an MSX and not a C64 (Penguin Adventure alone was more than worth it!). I wonder how many top programmers originating from the eastern bloc grew up with MSX computers? Likewise the Megadrive was more fun than the Amiga, and we did get watered-down ports from veteran Amiga devs like Sensible Software, Bitmap Brothers and Bullfrog.

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^ I vouch for everything you say.. which is why I was thankful I got an MSX and not a C64 (Penguin Adventure alone was more than worth it!).

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I think that most of the main 8-bit computers had their weaknesses really, the C64 had a very massive diverse library of software it was just lacking in Japanese development, but even then there were hoards of games ported by people in the UK which were very nice versions of Japanese arcade games, Rodland, Salamander, Bubble Bobble, Rainbow Islands, Green Beret they all managed to retain their Japanese feel.

As a kid I had a C64, but I could've been just as happy if I been bought an MSX instead (depending on what games I had access to) I probably would've just ended up playing loads of Paradius, Athletic Land, Magical Kid Wiz, Fairyland Story, the Gradius series, Super Laydock and Magical Tree instead.

To be honest though given a clear choice between the two I would take the C64 over the MSX, the MSX may have got a lot of the best Japanese software of the time but it was lacking in everything else, it got nothing from the US and most of it's European games were lazy thrown together Spectrum ports.

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I wonder how many top programmers originating from the eastern bloc grew up with MSX computers?

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I've heard from people that the ZX Spectrum was the most popular 8-bit micro in the Eastern Bloc, not sure how true it is but there's certainly a lot of supporting evidence on the net.

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no they didn't the ports of Bionic Commando were made by Software creations, Salamander was made by Imagine and released by Ocean, Super C on the Amiga was made by a canadian company called Unlimited Software.

I can't think of one C64 game made by Sega, I can however think of a good 10-20 Sega arcade ports programmed by Ocean.

The Japanese wouldn't touch the C64 or Amiga with a barge pole, 99% of the Japanese arcade games were ported by people from the UK, and the Japanese companies didn't seem to care how the ported versions turned out either.

I guess that you did still kinda' get the Japanese experience on the micros but only in a second hand way, which sometimes worked out and at other times was awful. You also need to remember that you'd only get Japanese arcade ports, no original software (most Japanese people probably hadn't even heard of a C64, they were too busy with the plethora of Japanese computers such as the MSX, Sharp, NEC PC or Fujitsu FM) this is why there are so few (if any) JRPG's on the C64.

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The Amiga version of Alien Syndrome was ported and published by Sega Enterprises. ;)

http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/alien-syndrome

The Amiga version of Commando was published by Capcom.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/commando

And yes, Konami was responsible for the Amiga version of Super C.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/super-c

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The Amiga was even worse off than the 64' as it had very few North American developers working on it as well as no Japanese, most of it's software was created in Europe.

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You're selling the Amiga short. It had North American companies like EA, Microprose(Sid Meier), Dynamix, SSI, Digital Leisure, Spectrum Holobyte, Take-Two Interactive, Distinctive Software (Canada), Lucasfilm games, Epyx, Broderbund Software and Accolade. The Test Drive franchise got its start on the Amiga.

Yes, the Amiga recieved a ton of support out of Europe, but so did the C-64 and Atari ST. Still, during that era of gaming, Western developers were making better games than what was being produced in Japan.

I wouldn´t trust Moby Games THAT much.

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I wouldn´t trust Moby Games THAT much.

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I do know that Super C was published by Konami. I have the Amiga game, and know it has their name on the cover. The game was ported by Unlimited Software Inc. (became Distinctive Software). I guess that would explain why the game had issues on some levels.

I'm sure with a little research, you'll find that a good portion of the games you thought were developed/ported by the parent company of the game, were not. It's the nature of the business.

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I do know that Super C was published by Konami. I have the Amiga game, and know it has their name on the cover.

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Means absolutely nothing.

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The Amiga version of Alien Syndrome was ported and published by Sega Enterprises. ;)

http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/alien-syndrome

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Alien Syndrome on the Amiga was ported by Softek international and published by ACE

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The Amiga version of Commando was published by Capcom.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/commando

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ported by martin K Ward (Japanese sounding name?) and published by Elite

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And yes, Konami was responsible for the Amiga version of Super C.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/super-c

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Already went through this, made by a canadian company

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You're selling the Amiga short. It had North American companies like EA, Microprose(Sid Meier), Dynamix, SSI, Digital Leisure, Spectrum Holobyte, Take-Two Interactive, Distinctive Software (Canada), Lucasfilm games, Epyx, Broderbund Software and Accolade. The Test Drive franchise got its start on the Amiga.

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I'm not selling it short, the Amiga was a great machine with masses of great European software on it, and yes it did have some US developers on board but very few, you just listed pretty much all of the major US developers there, and many of them weren't exactly prolific, making around 6 odd games

Also I just had a look at EA's softography and virtually every game on the list was easily recognisable as being made in Europe (Denaris, Theme Park, Powermonger, they didn't even bother making Jungle Strike themselves and outsourced it to Ocean), so for the most part it looks like they didn't make very many games for the Amiga themselves at all.

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Yes, the Amiga recieved a ton of support out of Europe, but so did the C-64 and Atari ST.

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Like I said the Amiga pretty much only recieved support from Europe, and from around 86' onwards the C64 only recieved support in Europe too. The thing that you have to take into account is that the Amiga was never a very succesful machine in North America, it's lifetime sales there were well under half of it's lifetime sales in the UK (a country much smaller with a hell of a lot less people) unless the US companies were exporting to Europe it probably wasn't a good idea to focus on a machine with such a small user base.

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Still, during that era of gaming, Western developers were making better games than what was being produced in Japan.

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I think this depends on what types of games you're talking about, I would say that Europe were making much more varied games whilst the Japanese at the time seemed to be focusing on Platformers, Shmups and RPG's, most of which were usually far ahead of the stuff coming from other places.

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Still, during that era of gaming, Western developers were making better games than what was being produced in Japan.

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No, absolutely not.

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Still, during that era of gaming, Western developers were making better games than what was being produced in Japan.

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I'm sure some western designers had some great ideas. Any well known titles I should check out?

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No, absolutely not.

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Another comment lacking any kind of manners and civility. Learn to communicate with people please.

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Another comment lacking any kind of manners and civility. Learn to communicate with people please.

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Urgh, and that coming from Edge? Not exactly the person to teach anyone about manners...are you drunk or something?

Read my lips: Even in the 80ies great games were made in Japan. Classics like Double Dragon, Shinobi, Contra, Super Mario Bros, Wonder Boy, Zelda were japanese titles and are games still dearly remembered today. And games not accessible to western audience due to the language barrier like Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy were awesome too.

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Read my lips.

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I'm sure some western designers had some great ideas. Any well known titles I should check out?

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There are too many to mention, and that goes for every region.

I think that the main thing that the Japanese seemed to be better at during the early days was judging their difficulty curves, designers in the UK were quite bad at this and made their games too difficult a lot of the time, which made them less accessible, often you'd need to spend a few hours or even days to really learn a game (which most emulator whores can rarely be bothered to do) before you'd start enjoying yourself.

A game that I would consider an ultra classic from the UK during the 80s is the ZX Spectrum game called Head Over Heels, it was just so perfectly designed from start to finish, and is full of more ideas than 90% of the games that came out at the time. As I said before though very steep learning curve, but when you know what you're doing it's genius.

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Alien Syndrome on the Amiga was ported by Softek international and published by ACE

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I believe you're looking at the European published version. Us Yanks have never seen a title published by ACE.

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Konami of America ring a bell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami

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Konami of America Inc. was established in Torrance, California in 1982 but moved to Wood Dale, Illinois in 1984. Also in 1984, Konami expanded to the United Kingdom and established Konami Limited.

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I've never bought a title published by Elite in North Amerca.

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Already went through this, made by a canadian company

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Last time I checked the map, Canada was part of North America.

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I'm not selling it short, the Amiga was a great machine with masses of great European software on it, and yes it did have some US developers on board but very few, you just listed pretty much all of the major US developers there, and many of them weren't exactly prolific, making around 6 odd games

Also I just had a look at EA's softography and virtually every game on the list was easily recognisable as being made in Europe (Denaris, Theme Park, Powermonger, they didn't even bother making Jungle Strike themselves and outsourced it to Ocean), so for the most part it looks like they didn't make very many games for the Amiga themselves at all.

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F-15 Strike Eagle and a ton of flight combat games were developed and published by EA in North America. Chuck Yeager

EA also published a ton of games made by North American developer Interplay, including Battle Chess and the Bard's Tale.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d76/Gamevet/trip.jpg

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20...eming_01.shtml

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In the fall of 1984, Larry Probst joined the company as vice president of sales. Probst brought an unparalleled level of organization to EA's strategy of bypassing distributors and dealing directly with retailers, causing its already successful market presence to grow even further. With its increased sales potential, EA began to distribute games from other companies, including Lucasfilm Games, SSI, and Interplay.

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There's a lot of stuff that was released in Europe, that never came to North America and vice versa. We had received titles like Bad Dudes and such that were published by Ocean, and EA was another of the companies that brought European titles to North America, along with their own properties.

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No, absolutely not.

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During the early to mid 80's they defineatly were. It took a title like Super Mario Bros. to break the tight grip that Western developers had with the computer market.

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I'm sure some western designers had some great ideas. Any well known titles I should check out?

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Archon
Jumpman
Load Runner
Seven Cities of Gold
Boulder Dash
M.U.L.E
The Bard's Tale
Star Flight
Blue Max
Populous (Yes, Europe is considered a Western region)
Power Monger
The Immortal
Pirates!
F-15 Strike Eagle
Karateka
Bruce Lee
Montezuma's Revenge
Test Drive
Sky Fox
Impossible Mission
Beach Head
Beach Head 2
Raid Over Moscow
Space Panic (Also known as Apple Panic)
Battle Chess
Raid on Bungeling Bay
The Way of the Exploding Fist
Summer Games
Hero
Quasimodo
Zeppelin
Return to Zork
Deja Vu
Cauldron
Infiltrator
The Last Ninja
Maniac Mansion
Phantasie
Wizardry
Spellbound Dizzy
Rescue on Fractalus


I can't think of the name of this C-64 title, but it was pretty much a blue-print for Metroid.

Would you be thinking of Turrican?

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Would you be thinking of Turrican?

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No. Turrican came out in the 90s.

I'd dig through my C-64 collection to find it, but that would be over 500 titles.