Attention Dreamcast lovers! I have found evidence of sabotage!

I'm not an absolutionist. I can't say everything I see is right / wrong - Success / Failure.

All I can do is weigh the information and from what I see its far from a failure.

New games for DC

Wind and Water Puzzle Battle - Port from Arcade - Release Date October 2008 - This Month!


Wind and Water is a puzzle battle game originally released on GP2x and ported to Dreamcast.

It requires you to rotate tiles representing the elements of wood, earth, metal, fire, and metal; into a diamond shape of 4 or more matching blocks. There are also void and wind blocks which are used as special blocks with abilities to pull off special clears. In other difficulty settings they may appear as simply another element with no special capabilities.

The goal of the game is to keep the flow of blocks coming in order to prevent, or lower the press which will limit the amount of space you have to clear blocks unless you are able to clear them fast enough. The press will quicken in speed as the game goes on.

Featuring many characters, special moves including combos, chains, special clears, and seemingly endless variations on such abilities; the arcade mode features a very impressive amount of depth in it's arcade mode.

Along side arcade mode, there is a rather lengthy and impressive story mode where you play the role of Amy helping Yuan Hao and Hsi finish the game by attaining elements, finding contestants, and even forcing Yuan Hao and Hsi to get to work finishing the game by completing different tasks available in the game engine. (ex: do a full chain followed by a 2x elemental clear in under 30sec)

Puzzle mode offers many different puzzles where one most clear the screen of elements with a limited number of moves.

On top of all this, the game offers many different varieties of online rankings complete with custom sprite based on a picture of you, and an impressive amount of unlockables and minigames.


D.U.X. Release date November / December 2008

DUX is a new Dreamcast-exclusive horizontal shmup by René Hellwig of NG:DEV.TEAM, the graphic artist behind Last Hope, and Martin Konrad, the author of Emukon and GGT (which you can play on Dreamcast using SMSplusDC and this GGT demo version).

DUX runs in 640x480 and likely will be the very first hi-res 2D shmup released for a console. Like most other Dreamcast games, DUX of course also supports progressive scan at 480p60 when using a Dreamcast VGA box.

The game will be released on a professionally pressed region free game CD with offset printed full-color manual and inlay in a DVD case. You can pre-order the game for €20 + shipping at http://www.hucast.net/.

There is some awesome stuff for the Lynx coming out next year! So the system has not failed!

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There is some awesome stuff for the Lynx coming out next year! So the system has not failed!

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Its your opinion but all the facts speak for themselves.

You know guys, all this bickering is just ridiculous. I bet neither one of you can remember how this argument started in the first place!

It's friday night (for some of us). Let's all just crack open a nice frosty beer and sit down to some Skip-Bo, okay?

and oggle the girls in the victoria secret catalogue...sears catalogue

^LOL. Moe.

DUX? Awesome, Ill have to get that. Hi Res, even better.

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I love my ps3 it is by far the sexiest and most amazing machine but it can't seem to deliver in terms of graphics (identical games look better on 360) and in fact it doesn't have many games period. I'm installing linux on mine.

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That's because Sony accepted a midrange 2005 GPU that could be concidered by PC users to be low-end by the time PS3 launched in late 2006.

The RSX is a cut-down G7x / GeForce 7800 GTX. RSX has half the ROPs: 8 instead of 16, thus half the fillrate per clockcycle, and half the external bus width, 128-bit instead of 256-bit, thus it's got lower memory bandwidth, compared to the 7800 GTX for PCs.

The Xenos GPU in Xbox 360 is better in most aspects of computing & rendering graphics.

The PS3's CELL CPU can help the RSX out in some ways, but CELL cannot make up for all of RSX's shortcomings. CELL cannot make PS3 perform as if it had a full 7800 GTX GPU, much less something newer like the 8800.

Sony really dropped the ball when it comes to graphics on PS3. The PC and Xbox 360 in 2005 could already do the kind of graphics PS3 would do in 2006.
What most people don't remember is, the PS1 and PS2 both were well ahead of any PC or console during the first year of release as far as graphics rendering speed. There was nothing that could match the PS1 in 1994-1995
(not Saturn, not PC) and there was nothing that could match PS2 in 2000 (not Dreamcast, or PC w/ graphic card).

I think I would rather have a nice laptop thats dedicated to hardcore gaming than a ps3. Are pc games coming out that rival or better the consoles games graphically? I have really lost touch with the whole scene.

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What most people don't remember is, the PS1 and PS2 both were well ahead of any PC or console during the first year of release as far as graphics rendering speed. There was nothing that could match the PS1 in 1994-1995 (not Saturn, not PC) and there was nothing that could match PS2 in 2000 (not Dreamcast, or PC w/ graphic card).

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PCs could do SVGA/XGA/EVGA up to 1024x768p70 when PS1 came out - which uses 320x224. In 1993 (!) and 1994 I played 3D games like Doom, Terminal Velocity, or Descent on my 486 DX II 66, and the first Pentium model with 90Mhz was already becoming affordable for regular people.
Saturn could do 640x480 and even higher. While CPU intensive games like Panzer Dragoon Zwei used 640x224p, games like Virtua Fighter 2 ran at super high res modes like 720x576i.


When PS2 came out, it obviously couldn't do 640x480 while I've been playing games like Black & White in 1024x768 on PC.
Even today there are only a few PS2 games that use 640x480. Most do run at 320x480 or 640x224 - the lowest being 256x224.

As I wrote in my previous posts in this thread, the Dreamcast renders all games in 640x480p60 in VGA mode (even Capcom's Super Street Fighter 2 X), but that it can also render in 800x600, which is what NAOMI ports like Ikaruga and other TATE mode shmups use to display the 640x480 3:4 image vertically on a 4:3 screen.

Uhm, I remember how PC users were looking at games like Resident Evil, and how a magazine from the UK stated that RE for PC would be a game only for rich kids because the needed gfx card was damn expensive.

The PlayStation was one hell of a 3D monster when it came out, and people where standing there with wide eyes watching those games. Really impressive stuff. Little to no people had PCs that could do what the PS1 did in the first 1-2 years.

The resolution is not THAT important anyway; even if VF2´s res is somewhat higher, Tekken 3 still looks better, and eventhough PS2 games might not run in 640 x 480, the games of the past years are far superior to anything seen on the Dreamcast.
The resolution is a rather minor thing; polygon count, light effects and texture quality are by far more important.

In the end, I don´t understand why people love to talk all day about technical superiority and bash one console or another; you cannot find an absolute conclusion x is better than y. The systems are different, have different strengths and weaknesses. PlayStation was a great machine for it´s time and impressed everyone, just like Dreamcast did a few years later. The PS2 did not impress much in the beginning, but showed it´s power in the long term. In the end bashing any of these systems is pretty pointless. They were all technically great for their time, and the PS3 is technically great for today. I believe just like with the PS2 the PS3´s graphics will one day do justice to it´s theoretical power, once developers get a hang on it and stop porting Xbox 360 games to PS3. The same naysayers were heard when the PS2 had it´s graphical problems in the beginning, today we have games on it like DQ VIII, God of War or FF XII. Just give it some time.

My favorite console is a Mega Drive (320x224, 0 polygons). - My post was a response to the following statement:

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Sony really dropped the ball when it comes to graphics on PS3. The PC and Xbox 360 in 2005 could already do the kind of graphics PS3 would do in 2006.

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Just like any console before it, the PS3 is not better than a modern PC. If you don't count in the needed monitor or TV, you can always purchase a fairly decent if not vastly superior PC for the same money you'd spend on a high end console like the PS3.

PS1 and PS2 were not "well ahead of any PC or console during the first year of release". Saturn and a 486 PC, or Dreamcast and a Pentium II/III were just as if not more powerful than a PS1 or PS2, but of course with entirely different bottle-necks or advantages.

When I first saw Virtua Fighter 3 on Dreamcast, I thought "well, Ocarina of Time / Quake looks better", and in a way that's certainly not wrong. So, it's easy to see why someone with a high end graphics card for their PC or a 2nd generation 360 game wouldn't be impressed by the PS3's graphics - but the same applied to PS1 or PS2 back in the day.

the thing is that it is impossible to compare data sheets from PC hardware to console hardware. Basically the specs of a PC always need to be much higher than those of a console to achieve the same visual results. Because the console is designed specifically for the task.

But when it comes to the quality of 3D games by the time of it´s release, the PS1 did leave everything known up to that point behind, and few people had the expensive hardware needed to get PlayStation-quality on their PCs; not to mention that the games were just not available. When the games were ported a year had passed, and still the hardware to play them was expensive and not the standard.

With Dreamcast it was similar: games like Shenmue, Soul Calibur or RE Code Veronica looked amazing and left the PC games of the time behind, eventhough the DC had inferior specs on paper.

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My favorite console is a Mega Drive (320x224, 0 polygons). - My post was a response to the following statement:

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my favorite console is Mega Drive / Genesis (Herzog Zwei)


Just like any console before it, the PS3 is not better than a modern PC. If you don't count in the needed monitor or TV, you can always purchase a fairly decent if not vastly superior PC for the same money you'd spend on a high end console like the PS3.

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PS1 and PS2 were not "well ahead of any PC or console during the first year of release". Saturn and a 486 PC, or Dreamcast and a Pentium II/III were just as if not more powerful than a PS1 or PS2, but of course with entirely different bottle-necks or advantages.

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I specifically meant in graphics rendering speed. certainly the PS1 and PS2 were well beyond PC and other consoles in that area (pixel fillrate, polygon rate, graphics bandwidth). Yeah PCs were better than PS1 & PS2 in other areas (general purpose computing performance) So was Dreamcast (i.e. image quality).

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When I first saw Virtua Fighter 3 on Dreamcast, I thought "well, Ocarina of Time / Quake looks better", and in a way that's certainly not wrong. So, it's easy to see why someone with a high end graphics card for their PC or a 2nd generation 360 game wouldn't be impressed by the PS3's graphics - but the same applied to PS1 or PS2 back in the day.

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I wasn't going on my opinion, or anyone else's opinion, just the graphics rendering speed of PS3 compared to PC/Xbox360, compared to how the PS1 and PS2 stacked up against PC/console when they launched.

When the PS3 launched (Nov 2006) the best video card on the PC was the Geforce 8800GTX (also, Nov 2006) and in many ways that card has more power than the PS3 GPU. Also 3-way SLi was a new option so the best PC platform at the time would have been 3x 8800GTX cards witch could spank a PS3 around in raw graphical power for fun no? In fact I believe the PS3's GPU is based off NVidia's Geforce 7 series. Even then I'm betting a single 7950 could best the PS3 in a good DX9 game like COD4.

PS2? Once again Q1 of 2000 the best PC card was the Geforce 2 GTS and if you compare games like Half Life, Quake4 and UT running on the PS2 to a top of the line PC of that time running on say a Coppermine based 800+ MHZ PIII with a Geforce 2 GTS you would see the PC actually had the upper hand!