Top five reasons why you dislike a particular console.

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

First off, why so negative towards another person's opinion? Now to directly respond to you:

1.The Xbox 360 didn't have good games for 2 years?!? Oh man, which cave were you living in? I've said it before and I'll say it again: I can't stand the 360 and all it's put me through (4 separate red light deaths and counting!), but honestly, the games have always been there.

2. I have to admit, logitech has a pretty sweet PS3 controller. The problem is, I only need one controller (multiplayer gaming on a single console has been replaced by online gaming - excluding the Wii), and I sure as hell am not going to pay an additional $40 to replace the in-box controller. For someone who always complains about the "additional costs" of the 360, I was a little surprised to read your solution to the PS3 controller problem.

3. Power consumption doesn't really bother me, I'm not a 2-hour a day gamer anyway. So no issue there.

4. See, Microsoft gave consumers an option! Remember when consoles were all about gaming? I sure do. It's kind of why I don't complain about Nintendo releasing another system without even audio cd capabilities. If I wanted a blu-ray player, I'd buy one, I didn't ask for one to be included in my gaming console. I sincerely appreciate Microsoft giving me an option to reduce cost.

5. You got me there :D

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Originally Posted by InternalPrimate

The 360 released in November of 2005, so I'll give you an example of the great games released in a two year time period:

CoD2 - launch
Project Gotham Racing 3 - launch
Elder Scrolls: Oblivion - March 2006
Dead Rising - August 2006
Gears of War - November 2006
Rainbow Six: Vegas - November 2006
Lost Planet - January 2007
Crackdown - February 2007
Bioshock - August 2007
Skate - September 2007
Eternal Sonata - September 2007
Halo 3 - September 2007
Orange Box - October 2007
Virtua Fighter 5 - October 2007
Guitar Hero III - October 2007
CoD 4: Modern Warfare - November 2007
Rock Band - November 2007
Mass Effect - November 2007

That's a pretty decent sized list, and I left of plenty of games which I found worthy. As you'll notice, I didn't once list a Madden or a Tiger Woods, both of which have had good showings on the Xbox. Also absent is a number of Xbox Live titles, most important of which is Geometry Wars, which in my opinion is one of the best overall titles for the console.

Even if you can dismiss an entire genre because it doesn't appeal to your own personal tastes, the console still has enough quality titles to support my argument. Say, for instance, you hate first person shooters. There's still guitar hero, dead rising, gears of war, eternal sonata, viva pinata, etc, etc, etc...

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out of all of those, Skate is the only one I would want to play. I'm basing that opinion on the fact that everyone I knew that bought a 360 at launch was considering selling their systems because there were no games they wanted to play.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

If you don't think a console has a good lineup of games, then why would you buy one in the first place?

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because you have an expectation that either a game already out will be good or that good games will come in time (thats what my case was with the Wii). Most people have a "shoot first, ask questions later" mindset when it comes to buying games and systems: they buy it on impulse because its new and then bitch later that the system is no good or the game sucks, then they try to trade it in and get even more had when they realize used game stores don't give you 90% of the retail value on trades.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

After Burner Complete = I'll give the nod to this one.

Blackthorne = Best version, but not enough of an upgrade to purchase a 32X for.

Corpse Killer = The game was also available on PC and 3DO. The game isn't even one of the better FMV titles of the time.

Cosmic Carnage = Cosmic crap http://www.sega-16.com/review_page.p...smic%20Carnage

Darxide = It's rare, but that doesn't equate to it being a solid title. I'd say this review is spot on. http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/32x/review/R105708.html



Doom = I'd give it .5 on the good chart, because it wasn't even the best version available at the time. The Jag version has more levels, full screen display and the option to have 2 players. The only thing lacking from the Jag version, was the music during playtime.
http://www.ataritimes.com/article.php?showarticle=216

Knuckles Chaotix = This game was in beta on the Genesis/Megadrive. Sega could have released it on the Genesis at the same time and I doubt you would have noticed much of a difference.

Kolibri = Horrible game.

Metal Head = This game was slow and boring, much like Iron Soldier on the Jag. If you really want to see how a good mech game plays, try out the Mech Warrior series on the SNES, Genesis/Megadrive or PC, and Gun Griffon on the Saturn.

Mortal Kombat II (best port) = Irrelevent title by the time it came out on the 32X. It's better than the horrible Saturn port though.

NBA JAM TE (most arcade accurate, at least on a cartridge system) = NBA Jam was a tired series by the time TE came out.

Shadow Squadron = I agree, but I still prefer Starfox.

Space Harrier = Yeah

Star Wars Arcade = The main reason I'd bought a 32X, but I'd only paid $20 for the system.

Tempo = Not sure about this one.

Toughman Contest (basically the same as Genesis, but still a good game) = Like I said in my post. This game, like several others, doesn't do anything to show why the 32X was necessary.

Virtua Fighter = Yeah

Virtua Racing = I enjoyed the arcade game, because of its smooth frame-rate and excellent draw-in distance. Neither the Saturn or 32X versions offered this. It wasn't until I'd played the PS2's arcade perfect port of the game, that I'd enjoyed a home version of this game.

WWF Wrestlemania: Arcade = This game was released within the same year as the Playstation and Saturn versions. The Saturn version isn't all that great, while the PSX version is arcade perfect. I can't imagine how well this port turned out, but I doubt it was anywhere near as perfect as the PSX version.

Zaxxon's Motherbase 2000 = It's an okay game, but not exactly a great game by any means. http://www.sega-16.com/review_page.p...herbase%202000

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OK, you can go on all day saying game X could've been on *this* system or a better version was on *this* system, but all I'm saying is that those games I listed were unique or fun to play for alot of people. Could Chaotix have been on the Genesis? probably, but it wasn't. Guitar Hero III was on PS2, does that mean it was stupid to make it for PS3 with better graphics and additional features? I hear this bitching about the 32X port of doom all the time, but the fact is it was better than the unplayable (and EXPENSIVE) SNES port and was more accessible than the Jaguar and 3DO ports. Say what you will, but I don't have any problems with the 32X version. Most of the rest of the games you either dismiss because they were "tired" (OK, so what about Madden or Tony Hawk? people still like new versions) or like Kolibri you simply don't understand (I have never seen a game ANYTHING like it before) or like Metal Head the point was that it was state-of-the-art. Metal Head is probably the most technically advanced 32X game period and was competitive with even launch Playstation games in the graphics department. The gameplay wasn't the best, but it was serviceable. Nevertheless, at least half of the 32X lineup were good games and many were at least marginally better than what was available on the Genesis and SNES, and that is why it shouldn't be considered a piece of junk.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

3: Region lockouts. I wouldn't mind setting up a separate japanese console everytime I want to play an import, if it weren't for the sound issues.

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Hey d00d a region mod on your HD Genesis is super-easy to do. Now u can play teh Mega Drive gamez with da tr00 sound.

Virtual Boy

1)It ran off batteries but WASN'T a portable system in any way, shape or forum.

2)Red monochromatic LED display was not color.

3)Simply playing the system would damage your physical health and strain your eyes causing blindness.

4)Less than 15 games released in NA.

5)Ranked #5 in PC Worlds 2007 listing of "The Ugliest Products in Tech History"

Time and money spent on this could have gone towards an earlier release of a Color handheld. Nothing about the system felt "Nintendoish" whatsoever and you just knew it was going to fail the minute it hit store shelves.

Mattel Hyperscan

1-games all are jumpy, bad framerates in all of them
2-you have to have the cards to play the games and get anywhere
3-the USB on it does NOTHING
4-all the card packs have the same cards in them. most of the, anyway.
5-there was NO 3rd party support, it was a disaster of a console and nobody wanted any part of it so ALL the games ended up sucking compared to anything else EVER.

there are more points to not like, but I am limiting it to just those five.

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

out of all of those, Skate is the only one I would want to play. I'm basing that opinion on the fact that everyone I knew that bought a 360 at launch was considering selling their systems because there were no games they wanted to play.

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Are these the same friends that don't like playing online with the 360? :lol:

Seriously, Bioshock was a Game of the Year contender and it was GOTY for several publications. The same for Oblivion.

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OK, you can go on all day saying game X could've been on *this* system or a better version was on *this* system, but all I'm saying is that those games I listed were unique or fun to play for alot of people.

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No, most of those game Xs were on another system and more than likely played by people with other consoles. Toughman Contest, Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game, Doom, B.C. Racers and MKII were all playable on other systems, at the same time and more often before the 32X. Why would anyone drop an additional $50, for a game they've already played or owned?

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Could Chaotix have been on the Genesis? probably, but it wasn't.

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Still doesn't change the fact that the game could/should have been on the Genesis/MD and the power of the 32X did nothing to improve that game over what was developed as a Genesis title. Genesis/MD owners got screwed out of a game that shouldn't have been on the 32X to begin with.

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Guitar Hero III was on PS2, does that mean it was stupid to make it for PS3 with better graphics and additional features?

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Guitar Hero III was developed by Red Octane for the 360 and PS3. The PS2 and Wii versions were ported by outside developers. The advantages of the game on the 360 and PS3, go beyond graphics. You can't download any songs for the Wii or PS2 versions, so owning it on the PS3 is a big plus.

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I hear this bitching about the 32X port of doom all the time, but the fact is it was better than the unplayable (and EXPENSIVE) SNES port and was more accessible than the Jaguar and 3DO ports.

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Would you honestly purchase a 32X to play Doom, if you already owned a PC? Castle Wolfenstein 3-D came out for the Jag, was better than most PCs could run, but it wasn't the reason why people were buying Jags.

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Say what you will, but I don't have any problems with the 32X version. Most of the rest of the games you either dismiss because they were "tired" (OK, so what about Madden or Tony Hawk? people still like new versions)

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The Tony Hawk franchise is pretty much dead. Proving Grounds hit the bargain bin within months of its release. NBA Jam was pretty much the same deal.

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or like Kolibri you simply don't understand (I have never seen a game ANYTHING like it before)

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I've never seen a game like Stretch Panic either, but it's still a crappy game. I couldn't even sell the game $8.

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or like Metal Head the point was that it was state-of-the-art. Metal Head is probably the most technically advanced 32X game period and was competitive with even launch Playstation games in the graphics department. The gameplay wasn't the best, but it was serviceable.

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There was nothing State-of-the-art about Metal Head. The gameplay was slow and the levels weren't anything to be that excited about. Like I said before, neither Metal Head or Iron Soldier were that great as games.

The Playstation launch lineup wasn't all that great, but even the pitiful Kileak: The DNA Imperative was better looking. Oh and Ridge Racer!

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Nevertheless, at least half of the 32X lineup were good games and many were at least marginally better than what was available on the Genesis and SNES, and that is why it shouldn't be considered a piece of junk.

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It's a piece of junk. I'd say 99.9% of the gaming public agreed, since the system sold about as well as the pitiful Jag. People don't buy consoles, or hardware for slight upgrades to existing games. They want games that can't be done on their older hardware. The upgraded ports are just the cherry on a well frosted cake, though sometimes the cherry gets tossed aside.

now matter how you spin it, the 32X was still an ADD ON that made games possible that weren't possible otherwise. Most people bought it at $99 or less and that was the cost of Virtua Racing with the SVP chip. No one goes around slamming the N64 for the RAM expansion pack, and all that did was make textures a little less blurry and nothing more. Most of the games for 32X were games that arcade fans were dying for a good home version of, and they got it. Even Sega called the 32X an "arcade" add on for the Genesis. It may have been short lived, it may not have had a large library, but what it had was pretty damn decent and it even made normal Genesis games look better because of its improved A/V output.

If you think of the 32x as an enhancer and not a console, it suddenly seems so much better =P

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Originally Posted by Flygon

If you think of the 32x as an enhancer and not a console, it suddenly seems so much better =P

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Only if it sold for under $50. I certainly veiw the Sega CD as a viable add-on that led to consoles in the X-Eye and Wonder-Mega. If the 32X was really considered worth its value to consumers, we would have eventually seen the Neptune.

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthanNES

now matter how you spin it, the 32X was still an ADD ON that made games possible that weren't possible otherwise. Most people bought it at $99 or less and that was the cost of Virtua Racing with the SVP chip. No one goes around slamming the N64 for the RAM expansion pack, and all that did was make textures a little less blurry and nothing more. Most of the games for 32X were games that arcade fans were dying for a good home version of, and they got it. Even Sega called the 32X an "arcade" add on for the Genesis. It may have been short lived, it may not have had a large library, but what it had was pretty damn decent and it even made normal Genesis games look better because of its improved A/V output.

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There's no spin here. You don't buy $150 hardware for slightly (if any) enhanced ports and a few solid arcade games. The 32X would have sold a lot more, if more people and publishers thought the hardware was worth the time.

The N64 RAM pack did more than just make games less blurry. Play Rogue Squadron with, and without the RAM pack, it's a world of difference. The draw distance is further, the resolution is higher, the textures are smoother. Still, you could play Rogue Squadron and Perfect Dark without the RAM pack, you couldn't do the same with the 32X games.

I love how this thread spiraled into a Cover-Your-Ass argument

Atari 7800:
Don't get me wrong, I quite like the console BUT:

1) Open cartridge slot so dust and all sorts of little matter can find its way in and make cleaning a bitch. Invites corrosion and other little problem causing thingys.

2) AC port is for shit, two microscopic little wires that are as fragile as hell. Very strange, and since it is proprietary you can't use alternative power sources. Modding or hunting down more 7800 power supplies is the only option. Bullshit.

3) Game library was outdated from day one. Scrapyard Dog, the console's only real platformer came out the same year as Sonic the Hedgehog. Atari was sorely behind the times.

4) Sloppily programmed games, Impossible Mission, a classic game has an error that prevents one from beating the game, making the game truly impossible. Lame.

5) In N.A. the worst controllers of all time, more reliable than the 5200's but so uncomfortable it is beyond belief. KGB agents would require nonstop use of these joysticks when breaking down prisoners.

6) Horrible sound chip, an actual step DOWN from its predecessor the 5200. The 5200 had amazing sound (better than the NES !) and the 7800 took it DOWN to a supped up 2600. Bastards. While some games really push it to the limit, mostly the games sound pretty bad.
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But here is why I like it:

1) Excellent arcade ports, some of the best versions of Mario Brothers, Xevious, Ikari Warriors (far better than the NES version, honest to god), Commando, Galaga, ms. Pac-Man, Joust and Donkey Kong.

2) Awesome LOOKING system. The black, silver and rainbow atari logo all look fantastic. Truly a stylish 80's sleek console. Best LOOKING Atari console ever.

3) The joypads which came out in Australia and Europe for the 7800 are the best 8 bit controllers around with a solid D pad and much larger and more comfortable than the NES and SMS controllers.

4) It can play 2600 games! The first 7800s (later ones had compatibility issues) were 100% backwards compatible. Excellent, Beamrider, Berzerk, Galaxian etc. can all still be enjoyed.

...That and I have memories of playing this thing at relatives' houses and I really enjoyed it as a kid when I didn't have the Genesis around. It's a pretty overlooked system.

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...That and I have memories of playing this thing at relatives' houses and I really enjoyed it as a kid when I didn't have the Genesis around. It's a pretty overlooked system.

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Definitely overlooked, but there are hardware developers out there and tinkerers that have made this thing great. I have a controller made from a NES pad with a custom board inside from a member at atariage, doubledownon11, and it's great. Also, Curt Vendel has been working on a keyboard interface for it that will make it into a tru 8-bit computer. Also, games have been made for it and so many other things.

The 7800 does have those sore points (controller feel, freaky power plug) but it's a good game system, and is fun, whiuch is a baseline requirement fo rme :)

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

Hey d00d a region mod on your HD Genesis is super-easy to do. Now u can play teh Mega Drive gamez with da tr00 sound.

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Yeah, I'm going to have to get someone to mod one for me. What sucks is I already spent a bunch of money getting a model 1 and two model 2 Genesis systems fully modded before finding out just how good a hi-def system sounds. At least I can just use the XMD3 instead of getting more video mods.

This actually is the only real inconvenient thing for me right now. But I made a Genesis list since I don't hate any console and am surprised how worked up some people can get.

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Originally Posted by nathanallan

Also, Curt Vendel has been working on a keyboard interface for it that will make it into a tru 8-bit computer. Also, games have been made for it and so many other things.

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Wouldn't it be easier to just get an Atari XE?

I love the Genesis but I hate the Sega CD because (From smallest complaint to biggest):

5. The Price
From the begining it was too overpriced to be successful, and that you could buy a SNES for much less and have better games didn't exactly put the Sega CD in a good limelight.

4. The Look
I don't mind the Sega CD for the model 1 but the model 2, ugggh. It looks more like a tumour than a part of the console. The console also isn't even the game as the Genesis 2, so it looks like a diffrent console.

3. Bad use of Disk Space
Most Sega CD games were admittedly only Genesis-capable games with movies and a CD quality sound track. Also I find that games such as Tomcat Alley have less than 10% of the disk for the game itself, which makes the game itself play very shallow.

2. Load Times
Very long load times and most games took over a minute to load made changing levels a real chore.

1. FMV Games
FMV games are in my opinion the worst genre of video games you can get. You get no gameplay, and that the video was grainy due to the lack of colours on the Genesis and also that the video was not in full screen (Except Tomcat Alley) and you get a horrible, barely visible video game. Also the acting is hillarious. It is terrible, most actors exaggerate their roles such as the bad guys in Night Trap. And if that wasn't enough, some games such as yet again, Tomcat Alley try to show FMV at every possible point to show off the FMV capabilities, that it is just plain annoying.

Tiger R-Zone:

1. Nothing released for the system was any good.

2. The "screen over the eye" model (which was the main one) was absolutely retarded.

3. Tiger really bastardized some great properties with horrid pseudo-ports.

4. The underlying hardware was basically a glorified version of the cheap standalone Tiger handhelds. Worse than the original Game Boy.

5. It steals men's souls, and makes them its slave.

There are few systems that I really hate. Even Game.com had Lights Out which was pretty good. CDi and CDTV had a few good games. There are a few old systems that probably don't have anything good, but I haven't played them (RCA Studio II for example).

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Wouldn't it be easier to just get an Atari XE?

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"Wouldn't it be easier to..." is not a concept Atari fans comprehend.