Top five reasons why you dislike a particular console.

Well, we all have great opinions and ideas, do you have a console you really don't like. I HATE IT when people just piss and moan over your opinion and don't give you time to explain yourself by triple posting and then everyone thinks you're an ass. I have a strong dislike for the SNES.

5 Reasons for saying so. (yes SNES fanboys, don't post OMG HAATORZ, yet)

5 - Purple Lunchbox design - This is a weak complaint so it takes a back seat at number 5. YES I KNOW THAT IT'S LARGER THAN A FAMICOM BECAUSE OF FCC REGULATIONS, and everything and a toaster had to had 2 foot long RF sheilds. I wish that it had been a larger Famicom but whatever, the past is the past. This is the weakest complaint and the bottom 4 are really important, I originally had 4 really good complaints prepared for real life game arguements but this one is sorta tacked on.

4 - It's an RPG machine - Which is great for RPG fans. BUT RPGs are a really big niche. I don't mean big as in big amount of fans, I mean it's a real specific group of people. I don't like RPG's outside of Chrono Trigger. It's okay that they have long huge stories, but come on, by Final Fatasy 10.4, slash 5, the new challengers, the spin-off, part 3 of part 1. It sorta feels that long running series just mine their resources and just re-hash crap, or add a little to an existing game. (a la Mega Man Battle Network). Plus RPGs don't really handle sequels well, Seriously. Games like Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana have sequels, but how many surpass or even get close to the quality of the first or second game.

* I've never played Earthbound in any form so I have no room to give my opinion.


3 - The Soundchip - I know SNES fans say the Genesis sound chip is too harsh sounding. Occasionally, yes, but 80% of the time, No. Some games like Double Dragon sound like squeely crap, but games made specifically for the Genesis, Sound okay or great. After listening to all the games in Stereo sound, harsh or not, then going to the SNES side of the spectrum, I've noticed all the games are mono (some exceptions). They sound really quiet and some games sound alike and may have forgettable songs. I do love Actraiser's, Pilot Wings, Earthbound's, and Chrono Trigger's soundtracks, but after that, what else is there that doesn't sound like muffled, they all have great compositions, but other games sound like the reject tracks of Final Fantasy 7.



2 - Big N's Censorship - Okay it's great to censor games, but all of them? Thing is, I love Mortal Kombat, but the thing is I don't play it for OMGZORS L@@K AT TEH BLUDZ, I acctually play them for the gameplay and story that is somewhat better then Street Fighter 2 in my opinion. Back on topic, They take Mortal Kombat, They take out the blood, okay, they take out fatalities, okay, they alter the gameplay by slowing it down and supersizing the sprites, OH HELL NO. MK got kiddied up, and Street Fighter 2 got a special treatment by 6 revisions to cater to fans, but how did games like Killer Instinct slide through ? Is it like how on NES where all the games were neutered to get to America but stuff like Golgo 13 and Bionic Commando got through.

1 - All you want to play (for the most part) are the first party games - Like with any Nintendo console, they mine their resources and release sequels for long-running franchises. Some are okay and some are just crap hashed out to show the sereis hasn't died. But that's modern day, back then some great games were receiving the first game in their series. (Although, It gets to the point where we get the Mega Man X - X8 type of whore-outs). I'm going to admit the SNES was probably great for it's time, but after dealing with a high amount of Zelda games, Mario games, and Star Fox Adventures, It's hard for me to take these games seriously because of the recent desicions Nintendo has made for their franchises. After seeing the crap-house Wii, and the flop that was the Gamecube. It makes me not want to even deal with earlier games of the series now that the franchise may or may not be a sick parody of it's former self.
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* please don't get derailed on one persons opinion, keep it to a paragraph at the beggining and list 5 reasons.

so we're not allowed to comment on people's opinions? I have some thoughts on your number one . . .

And I've never owned a console that I've hated, and any console I haven't owned I know nothing about . . . and thus have nothing to hate.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

so we're not allowed to comment on people's opinions? I have some thoughts on your number one . . .

And I've never owned a console that I've hated, and any console I haven't owned I know nothing about . . . and thus have nothing to hate.

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Oh no, go ahead and speak, just don't go on for pages and pages about it.

I cannot really say I hate SNES but :

1. The d-pad sucks on its controller
2. US version should have been like the EU and JP models.
3. Pain in the @$$ sound part (analog components). Real SNES sounds nothing like emulators... I'm working on a sound mod to achieve it (hopefully).
4. Stupid thinner cartslot so regular boards you can buy from shops won't fit, too thick...
5. Too little RAM for sound, aka sound through pillow in many many cases.

I'll start off by saying I don't agree with most of the SNES stuff, especially the only stuff worth playing being 1st party. Capcom has a ton of great games on the SNES, as does Konami. Even Jeleco has a pretty fun game called Utopia.


I've yet to play a console I completely hate. I can think of at least one title worth playing on the worst of consoles, but there are consoles out there that really make you say: "WTF?"

It was a close one, between the Jag and the 32X, but I have to give the nod to Sega's worst idea ever. The 32X was/is the biggest peice of crap to ever be passed off as a gaming platform.

5 - software:The software wasn't all that great and what was good, usually had a poor frame-rate, or someone else had a simular game that looked and played better.

4 - soundchip: Or lack there-of. Sega added what, one extra channel of sound, while most was produced using the existing Genny soundchip.

3 - Several games could have been done on the original hardware or Sega CD: Everyone knows that most of Sonic Chaotix relys on the Genny hardware to produce the graphics. Sega basically took a Genesis title and slapped it into a 32X cart. B.C. Racers was already done on the Sega CD, Amiga, and several other hardware platforms; did we really need it on 32X?

2 - Price: Why would anyone at Sega think they could sell a device, everyone knew was DOA, for $199?

1 - Craptacular hardware design: I have (2) 32X systems and both are a pain in the arse to get working on my Genesis. I could play a game, take it out and play a second game. I'd then try to go back to the game I played before and have a frozen Sega logo in front of me. Nice!

I'd say the only thing they got right with the 32X design, was the mushroom appearance. Obviously someone thought of it as an atomic bomb going off, leaving nothing but a mushroom cloud in its wake. The radiation from said cloud, is probably what killed off the Sega we knew back then.

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1 - All you want to play (for the most part) are the first party games - Like with any Nintendo console, they mine their resources and release sequels for long-running franchises. Some are okay and some are just crap hashed out to show the sereis hasn't died. But that's modern day, back then some great games were receiving the first game in their series. (Although, It gets to the point where we get the Mega Man X - X8 type of whore-outs).

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For the most part, this is true. Nintendo's first-party titles on anyof their consoles are massive beasts that overshadow most third-party games. For good reason, though: Nintendo makes damn good games, which is why you regularly see Super Metroid, Super Mario World, Mario Kart, and Link to the Past on virtually every single "Best Game Ever" list out there.

But the Super Nintendo had a fair amount of notable third-party titles - not as many as the NES, but certainly more than the N64. Mega Man X is absolutely one of those games (the series quickly went to crap after X3, though).

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I'm going to admit the SNES was probably great for it's time, but after dealing with a high amount of Zelda games, Mario games, and Star Fox Adventures, It's hard for me to take these games seriously because of the recent desicions Nintendo has made for their franchises. After seeing the crap-house Wii, and the flop that was the Gamecube. It makes me not want to even deal with earlier games of the series now that the franchise may or may not be a sick parody of it's former self.

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I think you're kind of reaching there. A high amount of Zelda, Mario, and StarFox games?

After the NES, Nintendo produced one "true" Mario game for each successive systems: Mario World, Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, and Mario Galaxy. Gamers typically have to wait 5 years in between each game. The Zelda series is even more rarely seen (except on the Gameboys), as you don't have Zelda Golf or Zelda Party titles cluttering up the shelves. And StarFox is one of Nintendo's least-used series.

I hate to do this . . . but as a "Sega Fan" do you really want to start pointing fingers at Nintendo for "mining their resources" for sequels and "making questionable decisions" regarding their characters?

Hold on, I gotta sneeze . . . ahh-SONIC!!!

(sniff) Excuse me.

And I'm not going to fault you for calling the GameCube a flop, as it is commonly thought of as "Nintendo's Dark Period."

However, it is perfectly unjustified, as there was an incredible number of fantastic games like Metroid Prime 1 & 2, Zelda: The Wind Waker, Smash Bros Melee, Pikmin 1 & 2, and to a lesser extent Mario Sunshine. The GameCube also stood out from other Nintendo consoles because it also had a like number of quality third-party titles like Rogue Squadron, the Resident Evil remake . . . and of course Resident Evil 4 (which began as a GameCube exclusive).

I respect your opinion - go ahead and hate the SNES. I'm not particularly attached to it. But unless I interpretted you incorrectly (which I very well may have), I think you were way off base with your number one.

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Originally Posted by MrMatthews

For the most part, this is true. Nintendo's first-party titles on anyof their consoles are massive beasts that overshadow most third-party games. For good reason, though: Nintendo makes damn good games, which is why you regularly see Super Metroid, Super Mario World, Mario Kart, and Link to the Past on virtually every single "Best Game Ever" list out there.

But the Super Nintendo had a fair amount of notable third-party titles - not as many as the NES, but certainly more than the N64. Mega Man X is absolutely one of those games (the series quickly went to crap after X3, though).





I think you're kind of reaching there. A high amount of Zelda, Mario, and StarFox games?

After the NES, Nintendo produced one "true" Mario game for each successive systems: Mario World, Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, and Mario Galaxy. Gamers typically have to wait 5 years in between each game. The Zelda series is even more rarely seen (except on the Gameboys), as you don't have Zelda Golf or Zelda Party titles cluttering up the shelves. And StarFox is one of Nintendo's least-used series.

I hate to do this . . . but as a "Sega Fan" do you really want to start pointing fingers at Nintendo for "mining their resources" for sequels and "making questionable decisions" regarding their characters?

Hold on, I gotta sneeze . . . ahh-SONIC!!!

(sniff) Excuse me.

And I'm not going to fault you for calling the GameCube a flop, as it is commonly thought of as "Nintendo's Dark Period."

However, it is perfectly unjustified, as there was an incredible number of fantastic games like Metroid Prime 1 & 2, Zelda: The Wind Waker, Smash Bros Melee, Pikmin 1 & 2, and to a lesser extent Mario Sunshine. The GameCube also stood out from other Nintendo consoles because it also had a like number of quality third-party titles like Rogue Squadron, the Resident Evil remake . . . and of course Resident Evil 4 (which began as a GameCube exclusive).

I respect your opinion - go ahead and hate the SNES. I'm not particularly attached to it. But unless I interpretted you incorrectly (which I very well may have), I think you were way off base with your number one.

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Yeah, the games are great (I just hate Guitar Hero Syndrome, even for great games) and your arguement is fantastic. PLUS EVERTHING SEGA MAKES AFTER THE DREAMCAST DIED WAS CONSISTENT FAIL, DON't PLAY ANY SONIC GAMES RELEASED BETWEEN 2002 - current day.

EDIT : So nintendo fans don't flood the forums calling me OMG HATORZ ON OUR HARDWAREZ

NES = Fantastic
SNES = Meh
N64 = some of the best 2nd party support I've ever seen.
Gamecube = Meh (but a tad better then SNES)
Wii = Fail

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Originally Posted by sega fan

EDIT : So nintendo fans don't flood the forums calling me OMG HATORZ ON OUR HARDWAREZ


SNES = Meh
N64 = some of the best 2nd party support I've ever seen.
Gamecube = Meh (but a tad better then SNES)

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The genesis and snes are two completely different consoles that appeal to two completely different groups of gamers. Period. I love the Genesis because I was an arcade rat and always loved arcade style game play. Which is pretty much action action action, little if any story and more action. The snes has a flood of games with very deep story lines, slowish and meticulous gameplay and really appealed more to this style of gamer.

The genesis appealed to the more action oriented gamer:
Much more extensive shooter library
Arcade sequels and ports: Shinobi for instance, which is just action packed!
Arcade style gameplay in general, I mean Sonic is far more of an arcade-esque platformer than mario is. You have so many different ways to play the game. This doesn't make Sonic better, it makes Sonic different. Personally, I much prefer the Genesis style of games.

Both are amazing consoles, period. The 16-bit era was the greatest era of gaming ever. The SNES/Genesis competition alone made it fantastic. With both sides constantly pumping out amazing titles year after year to keep pace. That sorta competition is really gone with the flood of cross platform titles. In reality there is no way to distinguish between the different modern consoles besides a handful of games.

Back then:
SNES had final fantasy and Zelda
Genesis had Shining Force and Beyond Oasis
SNES had Mario
Genesis had Sonic

the list goes on. They were two very different 16-bit systems that appealed to two different sorts of gamers. I don't dislike the SNES, though I have that tongue-in-cheek anti-Nintendo kid in me, I'm not really serious. It was a great system.

Genesis rocks its world though.

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Systems I've disliked:
Atari 5200: The system itself is shit. The games are amazing. The 5200 really is an amazing platform BUT:
It's gigantic and the controllers are utter crap. The controllers are why I gave my 5200 up. By far the best system Atari ever made and they screwed it up beyond all comprehension.

I hate Sony's controllers with a passion too. It's a cool system (Saturn is better) but I hate hate hate hate Playstation controllers. Saturn controller FTW!

I can't believe anyone would list the N64 before the SNES.

That's like saying you enjoy be punched in the balls more than copping a feel.

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I hate Sony's controllers with a passion too. It's a cool system (Saturn is better) but I hate hate hate hate Playstation controllers. Saturn controller FTW!

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QFT !!! Saturn controllers 4Ever,

Playstation pads should all be burned...

All consoles would be better off with these qualities.

1. First off if a console cannot spew pudding from it cartridge slot then I don't want it. I have said it once I'll say it a thousand times. I demand pudding.

2. If it can't transform into a robot and breakdance then what good is it?

3. If it can't beat up my neighbors console then its useless

4. It has to have a minimum of 8 add ons all which must be useless, like speakers on my back, controllers that I wave my hand frantically through light beams. gloves, pads, modems for online banking, karaoke or a robot friend for my console

5. When all of its add ons are combined it must be at least 1 foot tall and weigh so much it causes my shelves to sag. In fact it must be so big that it must give the illusion that it could only be built in space. So big that even Voltron and Tranzor Z would be envious of its mightiness.

I can't believe this thread made it 11 posts without someone hating on the 360. I'll bite though since I've been on a "screw 360" spree as of late.

5. Halo: I'll admit, I loved the first one. I then bought Halo 2 launch day and liked it except I honestly forgot which Halo I was playing, then I remembered because I was dual-wielding guns. Same with Halo 3 except I found no real difference whatsoever, to this day I think I might have just been playing Halo 2 using a 360 controller with my friends telling me it was Halo 3, I'll never really know.

4. Fanboys: Every system has fanboys, and I don't like any of them, except the rare Genesis lover and occasional PS3 fanboy, probably because they have good taste. People with different opinions offend me.

3. "Nickel and Dime" you to death, although "$20 to $100 Dollar you to death" is much more fitting of a term: Sure the Arcade will run you $200 bucks, but you wanna do more than game saves? Buy this HDD for $100 bucks. Want to go online but don't want to run cables throughout your house? Another $100 bucks. Don't want to stock pile on AA's? Cough up another $20 per controller. Want to go online? Be smart and pay $50 up front for a year, or go the route most people go and buy a 3-month card for $20 bucks 4 times a year. A lot of it is optional to a lot of people but to me those are real turn offs.

2. The massive failure rate of these systems: I don't even need to explain this one. The fact that "wrapping it up in a towel until it overheats" is a common solution is just laughable, although sweet when it works.

And the number 1 reason why I hate the 360 is....

1. It made people nearly complacent with shitty hardware. It's one thing if a console breaks, shit happens. But if its a widespread and constant problem, why put up with it? I deal almost daily with people telling me stories of them being on their 3rd or 4th 360, and I always wonder, "Why the hell would anyone put up with that shit," regardless whether or not Microsoft will fix it for free. If my Ford completely tanks on me 3 or 4 times in a year, I'm getting a new car, probably not a Ford. If my house had to have 3 or 4 massive repairs done on it in that same span, I'm moving. Hell even if my watch looses time 3 or 4 times a year I'm getting rid of it. The fact that complete system failures are so frequent and the fact that so many people are just willing to lie down and take it is the biggest reason why I dislike the 360.

I don't dislike any systems really and I definitely don't hate any. If I had to pick a console to 'pick on', it'd be the N64.

#1 Compared to the PSX, Saturn, Genesis, or SNES, or NES or GB or..or..or. Where are the games, man?

#2 Yeah! No more texture tweaking and polygon geeking. But same low res models and low framerate. Wait... is that blurry mess of 3 colors supposed to be grass texture? Hey! If I put these glasses on and rub vaseline on the lens, my PSX games look just like an N64 graphics! Yeh_hah.

#3 Cartridges. I was on the console CD bandwagon since '90, why the hell am I playing on cartridges the next gen console 7-8 years later?

#4 Oh hey look, Zelda:OOT. Okay, that was fun. Anything else? Mario64? I don't wanna play ghay-ass mario64. Pokeman? No. Oh another Zelda game... ahh too bad it sucks.

#5 Forget this. I rather go play the 3 good games for my SGX than what's in the n64 library N64.

It's got to be the Ps3. Got it at launch and returned it after 3 days!

1. No games - the only reason I got this shit was to play Sonic'06- how I regret that now!

2. The controler - 3 revisions of a nearly 10 year pad and they still can get the goddamn analog sticks right!

3. Power consumption - why does it have to use 250 watts? It's not like we need the blue ray drive when most games can still fit on a single DVD!

4. Blu-Ray Player - it's slow and ugly - talk about crap...

5. Design - It's weights a ton and has to be one of the most dog-faced consoles I have EVER owned...

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3 - The Soundchip - I know SNES fans say the Genesis sound chip is too harsh sounding. Occasionally, yes, but 80% of the time, No. Some games like Double Dragon sound like squeely crap, but games made specifically for the Genesis, Sound okay or great. After listening to all the games in Stereo sound, harsh or not, then going to the SNES side of the spectrum, I've noticed all the games are mono (some exceptions). They sound really quiet and some games sound alike and may have forgettable songs. I do love Actraiser's, Pilot Wings, Earthbound's, and Chrono Trigger's soundtracks, but after that, what else is there that doesn't sound like muffled, they all have great compositions, but other games sound like the reject tracks of Final Fantasy 7.
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I agree with you here. I always thought the SNES sound chip was very echoey and lack any kind of punch in the low end. This is especially apparent when listen with headphones. Though I love me some SNES music (and the system), nothing has come close to equaling the bass in Streets of Rage.

PS1


1. Graphics sucked.

2. Never could get into the games.

3. Sound was bad.

4. I hate sony.

5. Too expensive for the time. (For me at least)


PC was better in those days so I never made the leap to the PS1, Saturn, and N64 era.

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I agree with you here. I always thought the SNES sound chip was very echoey and lack any kind of punch in the low end. This is especially apparent when listen with headphones. Though I love me some SNES music (and the system), nothing has come close to equaling the bass in Streets of Rage.

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That lack of bass is apparent when listening to any "explosions". They lack "oomph".

Konami gets free pass for "Turtles in Time" because that custom music set (or whatever they use) works well, but "Batman Returns" really suffers from lack of good bass.

And there is no way the SNES could ever do the bass like what was done in SOR, Level 6.

Sega Saturn:

5. Too expensive.
4. Poor hardware design, with dual-processing that almost no programmers could handle.
3. Not as many good RPGs as on Sega Mega Drive or Sony PlayStation.
2. It's a big, ugly, black box.
1. Naming a console after a planet is stupid!

Sega Dreamcast:

5. Very short lifetime, 1998-2001 or so, even though new licensed games were released up to 2006 I think.
4. Not many games that are interesting to me.
3. You can't play DVDs on it like on the Sony PlayStation 2 DVD player.
2. I hate the controller. My hands hurt after less than an hour of play.
1. It breaks almost as easily as the Ekusu Bokusu 359, which isn't very reliable or worth its money then.

Atari Jaguar

5. CD-ROM player can't play DVDs
4. CD-ROM player can't play Blu-Ray Discs
3. Trevor McFur sounds like a hirsute porn
2. Didn't play Neo Geo carts
1. Naming a console after an animal is stupid. I bought the Sega Master System solely based on the fact that it wasn't named after an animal.

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It was a close one, between the Jag and the 32X, but I have to give the nod to Sega's worst idea ever. The 32X was/is the biggest peice of crap to ever be passed off as a gaming platform.

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Its NOT A CONSOLE its an ADD ON! It wasn't $199 either, the launch MSRP was $149 (according to an old GamePro Buyer's Guide, if you paid more, you were ripped off) and quickly dropped to $99. It's still a little pricey, but games were $70+ in alot of cases, so for the price of another game you could get a 32-bit add on. You can say games were better on Saturn or Playstation, but that's a stupid argument as those would run you double or almost triple the price (though would be a better investment in the long term :? ). Still, the 32X offered at least 20 really solid games that were some of the best around until PSX and Saturn got going.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Venture

I can't believe anyone would list the N64 before the SNES.

That's like saying you enjoy be punched in the balls more than copping a feel.

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Agreed. I regret getting an N64 over a PSX every day of my life, especially since the best N64 games still sell for less than medium quality PSX games in alot of cases (even though PSX was almost half the price)

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Originally Posted by TmEE

QFT !!! Saturn controllers 4Ever,

Playstation pads should all be burned...

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Get a Logitech wireless controller, the Precision is awesome (slightly less stiff joysticks, very smooth, and a great D-Pad) and has an estimated battery life of 300 hours. I've had the same batteries in it since I bought it over a year ago.

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I can't believe this thread made it 11 posts without someone hating on the 360. I'll bite though since I've been on a "screw 360" spree as of late.

5. Halo: I'll admit, I loved the first one. I then bought Halo 2 launch day and liked it except I honestly forgot which Halo I was playing, then I remembered because I was dual-wielding guns. Same with Halo 3 except I found no real difference whatsoever, to this day I think I might have just been playing Halo 2 using a 360 controller with my friends telling me it was Halo 3, I'll never really know.

4. Fanboys: Every system has fanboys, and I don't like any of them, except the rare Genesis lover and occasional PS3 fanboy, probably because they have good taste. People with different opinions offend me.

3. "Nickel and Dime" you to death, although "$20 to $100 Dollar you to death" is much more fitting of a term: Sure the Arcade will run you $200 bucks, but you wanna do more than game saves? Buy this HDD for $100 bucks. Want to go online but don't want to run cables throughout your house? Another $100 bucks. Don't want to stock pile on AA's? Cough up another $20 per controller. Want to go online? Be smart and pay $50 up front for a year, or go the route most people go and buy a 3-month card for $20 bucks 4 times a year. A lot of it is optional to a lot of people but to me those are real turn offs.

2. The massive failure rate of these systems: I don't even need to explain this one. The fact that "wrapping it up in a towel until it overheats" is a common solution is just laughable, although sweet when it works.

And the number 1 reason why I hate the 360 is....

1. It made people nearly complacent with shitty hardware. It's one thing if a console breaks, shit happens. But if its a widespread and constant problem, why put up with it? I deal almost daily with people telling me stories of them being on their 3rd or 4th 360, and I always wonder, "Why the hell would anyone put up with that shit," regardless whether or not Microsoft will fix it for free. If my Ford completely tanks on me 3 or 4 times in a year, I'm getting a new car, probably not a Ford. If my house had to have 3 or 4 massive repairs done on it in that same span, I'm moving. Hell even if my watch looses time 3 or 4 times a year I'm getting rid of it. The fact that complete system failures are so frequent and the fact that so many people are just willing to lie down and take it is the biggest reason why I dislike the 360.

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AMEN AMEN AMEN HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE LAUD SOMEONE GETS IT! I have actually learned to love the original XBOX for all of the softmodding goodness (which is really more a testament to homebrew developers than Microshit [and PS2 still blows it out of the water]), the XBOX 360 is just too shitty of a ripoff after the initial sale and the quality is just too poor. I have never purchased any hardware that was lower quality than an XBOX 360. Even my cheap shit black friday special portable DVD player is better built than an XBOX 360 (turns out the DVD player had a Sony drive in it, even though the player itself is a "Digital Labs" brand, whatever that is). The biggest shame is that there is alot of good software for the XBOX 360, but I can never own any of it because I refuse to buy something that will barely last long enough to even finish one game.

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

It's got to be the Ps3. Got it at launch and returned it after 3 days!

1. No games - the only reason I got this shit was to play Sonic'06- how I regret that now!

2. The controler - 3 revisions of a nearly 10 year pad and they still can get the goddamn analog sticks right!

3. Power consumption - why does it have to use 250 watts? It's not like we need the blue ray drive when most games can still fit on a single DVD!

4. Blu-Ray Player - it's slow and ugly - talk about crap...

5. Design - It's weights a ton and has to be one of the most dog-faced consoles I have EVER owned...

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1. that's a dumb argument, the system hasn't even picked up speed yet, XBOX 360 didn't have shit for the first year or two, many people I knew were thinking of selling theirs. Also, if more people didn't catch-22 it by saying there's no games, people might buy the system and then there WOULD be games.

2. www.logitech.com -> the best PS2 and PS3 controllers ever made, unless you're bitching about the joysticks being side by side, in which case stop playing gay FPS games and you'll be fine.

3. you gotta be kidding me, that's all I'm going to say. "The PS3's 380 watts will cost you around $40 a year to run if you play it two hours a day" and that's a quote from a PS3 slam site.

4. ? so you're bitching about a thrown in blu ray player yet Microsoft is just dandy offering an HD DVD player for ANOTHER $199?

5. You mean like the original XBOX? At least the PS3 works, unlike a certain competitive Microsoft product...

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Atari Jaguar

5. CD-ROM player can't play DVDs
4. CD-ROM player can't play Blu-Ray Discs
3. Trevor McFur sounds like a hirsute porn
2. Didn't play Neo Geo carts
1. Naming a console after an animal is stupid. I bought the Sega Master System solely based on the fact that it wasn't named after an animal.

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lol

Well since it tis the season an all I figure I might stray away from my usual scathing negativity and instead type about the things I am thankful for and which bring good cheer.

1. I am thankful the Sega Genesis has a lovely D-pad instead of that fucking cheese grater they stuck on the SNES.

2. I get great joy from the fact that I do not own a N64 because it has one of the worst controllers Ive ever held. The analog sucks the D-pad sucks those rediculous C buttons suck I hate the triggers and it feels like some kind of 3 pronged dildo device raping my hand.
I will say this for the N64 tho, it can take a beating. About a week ago at a friends we were drunk and playing Mortal Kombat and generally talking lots of trash bc I got on a role and neither of my friends could beat me (even tho I normally lose), anyway tempers were starting to flare. So after one particularly smug victory over my friend Adam he jumps up and punches as hard as he can the N64 controller which flew the length of the cord and to its credit did not come unplugged but hit the floor at maximum velocity and did not break. He then kicked his television set as hard as he could and the damn thing flew on the hardwood floor but some how did not break or take any damage. It was a smallish maybe 30 inch cheap ass tv. I think the cheap plastic helped it bounce or something.

3. I am thankful that as hard as SEGA sucks right now it doesn't matter bc the real SEGA has long since died and it's body has been taken over by body snatchers from the planet Lame-ass.

4. I am thankful I don't play many FPS.

5. "SEGA!!!"

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Its NOT A CONSOLE its an ADD ON! It wasn't $199 either, the launch MSRP was $149 (according to an old GamePro Buyer's Guide, if you paid more, you were ripped off) and quickly dropped to $99. It's still a little pricey, but games were $70+ in alot of cases, so for the price of another game you could get a 32-bit add on. You can say games were better on Saturn or Playstation, but that's a stupid argument as those would run you double or almost triple the price (though would be a better investment in the long term :? ). Still, the 32X offered at least 20 really solid games that were some of the best around until PSX and Saturn got going.

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It's still a gaming platform. Swap the title with Jaguar and you get the same results: crappy hardware with crappy games. I'd love to hear what your 20 solid games are, because all I can think of is Shadow Squadron, Star Wars Arcade and maybe Virtua Fighter. Zaxxon Motherbase 2000 wasn't all that great and I'd have to say that it wasn't much different from Viewpoint. Virtua Racing was a slight upgrade from the Genesis version, but it still wasn't anywhere near arcade perfect. And Sonic Chaotix really doesn't do much for me, with the tag-along gameplay.

To be honest I hate all the fifth generation consoles.

N64 pissed me off because the games always looked smoggy

PS1 as I stated above was just a load of pixelated crapola

I'm not even going to talk about the 3DO, Amiga, or Jaguar.

They all sucked.

Saturn on the other hand I can't even comment on cause I never got the chance to play it in depth.

Its funny, people either never heard of, hate or love the Saturn.

I'm in the love category.

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It's still a gaming platform. Swap the title with Jaguar and you get the same results: crappy hardware with crappy games. I'd love to hear what your 20 solid games are, because all I can think of is Shadow Squadron, Star Wars Arcade and maybe Virtua Fighter. Zaxxon Motherbase 2000 wasn't all that great and I'd have to say that it wasn't much different from Viewpoint. Virtua Racing was a slight upgrade from the Genesis version, but it still wasn't anywhere near arcade perfect. And Sonic Chaotix really doesn't do much for me, with the tag-along gameplay.

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20 GOOD 32X games, some may have better versions on NEWER, MORE EXPENSIVE systems (speaking retroactively of course), but that's a moot point since the 32X was the "affordable" option:

After Burner Complete
Blackthorne
Corpse Killer
Cosmic Carnage
Darxide
Doom
Knuckles Chaotix
Kolibri
Metal Head
Mortal Kombat II (best port)
NBA JAM TE (most arcade accurate, at least on a cartridge system)
Shadow Squadron
Space Harrier
Star Wars Arcade
Tempo
Toughman Contest (basically the same as Genesis, but still a good game)
Virtua Fighter
Virtua Racing
WWF Wrestlemania: Arcade
Zaxxon's Motherbase 2000

now, some may claim they weren't a big enough step up from the regular Genesis version of the SNES port, but I didn't say all of them were, I just said there were a decent amount of good games compatible with the add on. Even a small improvement is still an improvement. Some other games you may claim weren't fantastic, etc. but we can be here all day with an argument like that. I think 99.999% of RPGs are complete dogshit and shouldn't even be sold, others only play RPGs and nothing else. I would say only about 5-10 of the games are really great must own exclusives today, but for a format that was only around a year, that's not too shabby.

Oh, and if you don't like Knuckles Chaotix (your complete butchering of the name gives a clear indication how much you've actually played it) you simply haven't played it long enough to get used to the controls. The first day I pledged to play it for at least an hour I ended up playing so long I almost beat the whole game. That night I went back and played Sonic CD and it almost felt boring by comparison. Knuckles Chaotix is THE game to have for 2 player Sonic action.

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Its funny, people either never heard of, hate or love the Saturn.

I'm in the love category.

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Don't get me wrong though, Its a Sega Console and probably had a few great hits. I played Virtual Cop with the light gun and thought it was great. I just never had the chance nor the funds for it.

The saturn definitly had more than a few great hits, it has tons of shooters and beat em ups etc. Most of the good games are jap however.

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The saturn definitly had more than a few great hits, it has tons of shooters and beat em ups etc. Most of the good games are jap however.

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Yea, I don't know if this is correct but I heard the Saturn was very popular in Japan. I heard that it was played religiously by the japanese until the launch of Dreamcast and PS2

That is mostly true, it outsold the PSX for sometime before sega pre-maturely pulled the plug.

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1. that's a dumb argument, the system hasn't even picked up speed yet, XBOX 360 didn't have shit for the first year or two, many people I knew were thinking of selling theirs. Also, if more people didn't catch-22 it by saying there's no games, people might buy the system and then there WOULD be games.

2. www.logitech.com -> the best PS2 and PS3 controllers ever made, unless you're bitching about the joysticks being side by side, in which case stop playing gay FPS games and you'll be fine.

3. you gotta be kidding me, that's all I'm going to say. "The PS3's 380 watts will cost you around $40 a year to run if you play it two hours a day" and that's a quote from a PS3 slam site.

4. ? so you're bitching about a thrown in blu ray player yet Microsoft is just dandy offering an HD DVD player for ANOTHER $199?

5. You mean like the original XBOX? At least the PS3 works, unlike a certain competitive Microsoft product...

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First off, why so negative towards another person's opinion? Now to directly respond to you:

1.The Xbox 360 didn't have good games for 2 years?!? Oh man, which cave were you living in? I've said it before and I'll say it again: I can't stand the 360 and all it's put me through (4 separate red light deaths and counting!), but honestly, the games have always been there.

2. I have to admit, logitech has a pretty sweet PS3 controller. The problem is, I only need one controller (multiplayer gaming on a single console has been replaced by online gaming - excluding the Wii), and I sure as hell am not going to pay an additional $40 to replace the in-box controller. For someone who always complains about the "additional costs" of the 360, I was a little surprised to read your solution to the PS3 controller problem.

3. Power consumption doesn't really bother me, I'm not a 2-hour a day gamer anyway. So no issue there.

4. See, Microsoft gave consumers an option! Remember when consoles were all about gaming? I sure do. It's kind of why I don't complain about Nintendo releasing another system without even audio cd capabilities. If I wanted a blu-ray player, I'd buy one, I didn't ask for one to be included in my gaming console. I sincerely appreciate Microsoft giving me an option to reduce cost.

5. You got me there :D

The Next Gen systems no matter how you slice em are the most stagnating failures I have seen in a while.

Wii is the winner in the sales arena but I still buy one nor accept one even if they were falling out of the sky.

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First off, why so negative towards another person's opinion? Now to directly respond to you:

1.The Xbox 360 didn't have good games for 2 years?!? Oh man, which cave were you living in? I've said it before and I'll say it again: I can't stand the 360 and all it's put me through (4 separate red light deaths and counting!), but honestly, the games have always been there.

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The 360 STILL doesnt have good games.
Mind you, the PS3 doesnt have some huge great lineup or anything, but there are at least a FEW good games.

Thats the #1 reason i got rid of my 360. the games stink.
Also i wanted to sell it while it still actually WORKED. I think the only reason mine didnt break is that i didnt play it much...

The 360 released in November of 2005, so I'll give you an example of the great games released in a two year time period:

CoD2 - launch
Project Gotham Racing 3 - launch
Elder Scrolls: Oblivion - March 2006
Dead Rising - August 2006
Gears of War - November 2006
Rainbow Six: Vegas - November 2006
Lost Planet - January 2007
Crackdown - February 2007
Bioshock - August 2007
Skate - September 2007
Eternal Sonata - September 2007
Halo 3 - September 2007
Orange Box - October 2007
Virtua Fighter 5 - October 2007
Guitar Hero III - October 2007
CoD 4: Modern Warfare - November 2007
Rock Band - November 2007
Mass Effect - November 2007

That's a pretty decent sized list, and I left of plenty of games which I found worthy. As you'll notice, I didn't once list a Madden or a Tiger Woods, both of which have had good showings on the Xbox. Also absent is a number of Xbox Live titles, most important of which is Geometry Wars, which in my opinion is one of the best overall titles for the console.

Even if you can dismiss an entire genre because it doesn't appeal to your own personal tastes, the console still has enough quality titles to support my argument. Say, for instance, you hate first person shooters. There's still guitar hero, dead rising, gears of war, eternal sonata, viva pinata, etc, etc, etc...

If you don't think a console has a good lineup of games, then why would you buy one in the first place?

I have a hard time taking anyone too seriously when they complain that "X" system (especially one they've already bought) doesn't have any good games. With as many games as are out right now, there is literally SOMETHING for everyone (and usually two or three decent copycats of that something)

Don't think your console has good games? Christ, read reviews! If a game gets a high score on multiple sites, then it's probably good. I discovered dozens of great games for the GameCube after I'd already given up on it simply by scanning the Editor's Choice sections at IGN and Gamespy.

The new Prince of Persia that just came out for the 360 and the PS3 is supposed to be great, for example.

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The 360 released in November of 2005, so I'll give you an example of the great games released in a two year time period:

CoD2 - launch
Project Gotham Racing 3 - launch
Elder Scrolls: Oblivion - March 2006
Dead Rising - August 2006
Gears of War - November 2006
Rainbow Six: Vegas - November 2006
Lost Planet - January 2007
Crackdown - February 2007
Bioshock - August 2007
Skate - September 2007
Eternal Sonata - September 2007
Halo 3 - September 2007
Orange Box - October 2007
Virtua Fighter 5 - October 2007
Guitar Hero III - October 2007
CoD 4: Modern Warfare - November 2007
Rock Band - November 2007
Mass Effect - November 2007

That's a pretty decent sized list, and I left of plenty of games which I found worthy. As you'll notice, I didn't once list a Madden or a Tiger Woods, both of which have had good showings on the Xbox. Also absent is a number of Xbox Live titles, most important of which is Geometry Wars, which in my opinion is one of the best overall titles for the console.

Even if you can dismiss an entire genre because it doesn't appeal to your own personal tastes, the console still has enough quality titles to support my argument. Say, for instance, you hate first person shooters. There's still guitar hero, dead rising, gears of war, eternal sonata, viva pinata, etc, etc, etc...

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Sorry, i was only counting exclusives, as i would always buy the ps3 version of multi platform titles due to the better reliability, better controller (and better selection of other controllers, particularly arcade sticks), and free online. Those arent the games that influence the purchase (or keeping) of a console anyways, since theyre available on both/all machines.

Anyways, out of that list Virtua Fighter 5 is the only game i consider to be truly good (and VF5 is REALLY good).
I had it on PS3 almost a full year before it came out on 360, and the PS3 version is the better version (ver.C of VF5 on 360 had basically no significant changes other than costumes, the filtered graphics on 360 look noticeably worse, and most importantly there were NO good arcade sticks on 360, and wont be until next year; plus VF is unplayable online so that "feature" has no value to me).

And out of the exclusives on that list, yes i can say that NONE of them are any good IMO. I played most of them, in either demo form when available, or buying them, and i have never encountered more overhyped junk than halo3 and gears of war.

I can say there was ONE game that i really enjoyed on 360: Chromehounds. It had a lot of flaws, but playing that with my friends was excellent.

I bought the 360 in the first place because there were no other new games consoles out yet (i got it about 6 months before PS3/wii came out).
I had HOPED that there would be some good games eventually. I had just bought a new HDTV after moving, and wanted something new to play on it.
It also wasnt yet fully known to be the most unreliable piece of electronics EVER produced.

It has become quite clear that there are no bounty of great games coming, so i sold it before it broke.

To be frank, i find this entire generation of consoles to be an almost complete failure.
Im generally satisfied with my ps3 for a small handful of games (and a few more still coming), plus blu-ray movies.
I got my moneys worth out of my Wii with Zelda, Metroid Prime 3 and super mario galaxy, plus i like the NES games on VC (NES is the one console that is REALLY hard to get RGB video out of for s-vid or component out of the real hardware.. The component out on wii makes the VC games look good and the NES emulation on wii is spot-on; otherwise i prefer the real hardware).
But were 2 years in, 3 for xbox, and they all STILL suck pretty bad at what i got them for: GAMES.

MS jumped the gun on this generation like a bratty kid who hits the reset button on the video game when he's getting his butt kicked. If everyone waited a bit, say an extra year or 2, at least the hardware would be much better sorted out.

Oh well . . . can't please everybody.

You and Joe Redifer would probably get along pretty well, though. He doesn't like any of the good games, either.

Out of that list above I like Dead Rising, Virtua Fighter 5 and Portal (Half-Life 3 or whatever it is called that is included in the box can blow me). I also own Project Gotham 3 but it is a bit too hard to be enjoyable and the whole "Kudos" concept is extremely homosexual. The Genesis version of Crackdown is FAR better because it doesn't give me motion sickness. I did play Crackdown over at a friend's house and to me it seemed like a generic rip-off of GTA 3, which I didn't care much for. Sandbox games based on crime are less fun than picking fleas out of one's pubic hair. That concept is dried-up and gone, just like my decayed grandma.

I like good games. I just don't like gay games. Sorry.

PSP
5 - Awkward Analog nub
4 - unnesecary features like MP3 player
3 - Awkward for more tecnical stuff like web browsing
2 - GBA-like setup yeilds for a more easily scratched screen
1 - Not as engaging as the DS.

XBOX 1
5 - Worse controller than PS2
4 - Fanboy powerhouse until 360 came along
3 - Cause I said so
2 - Needs an add-on just to play DVD
1 - IT'S FUCKING HUGE!

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PSP
5 - Awkward Analog nub
4 - unnesecary features like MP3 player
3 - Awkward for more tecnical stuff like web browsing
2 - GBA-like setup yeilds for a more easily scratched screen
1 - Not as engaging as the DS.

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5 - I totally agree with you. The "Analog" nub is just uncomfortable to use, and I almost always stick to the D-Pad
4 & 3 - I don't need all that extra bullshit - I have a computer and a phone that play MP3's and connect to the internet.
2 - The screen on the PSP is probably its coolest feature (that, and I think the speakers sound pretty good, too). A screen protector is a must, though. Another pisser about the screen is that it is part of the entire faceplate so everything gets all scratched, and replacing it sucks.
1 - Sadly, no. There aren't too many original games for the PSP, as most seem to be watered-down ports of console games. However, there are a few titles that, to me at least, make the PSP worth owning.