The downfall of Sonic Team?

The biggest let down of Wii Nights for me was the lack of a Christmas mode. Talk about ignoring tradition.

It even has the calendar feature going for it, I think.


As for the 360, I think it could've handled just fine with the dual analog sticks. I've never tried the remote 'pointer' scheme. I just use the nunchuk/remote combo.

Still, it does look really good for a Wii game, and there are some inventive levels. It probably would've been amazing given a few more months of work(and a less childish story).

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Just because the guy knew something about some upcoming Sonic game, doesn't turn his views into the new ten commandments. You rarely can smell your own shit on your knees, so I highly doubt any of this guy's interpretations, but I would be VERY interested in hearing more about the actual problems between Sonic Team, Sega of Japan and Sega of America.

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The stories about how much they were at odds during the Genesis and Saturn eras makes me sad.

Sega itself is just one sad story.



- but yeah, there's some serious digging left to do. Next to the Dreamcast cancellation, the Sonic Team vs Sega vs Sega days are among the most interesting things in the history of the company, but so little is know as to what might have happened. Would be interesting to hear the Japanese side of the story as well for a change.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Sega itself is just one sad story.



- but yeah, there's some serious digging left to do. Next to the Dreamcast cancellation, the Sonic Team vs Sega vs Sega days are among the most interesting things in the history of the company, but so little is know as to what might have happened. Would be interesting to hear the Japanese side of the story as well for a change.

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Its almost like Sega has no central controls. Sega reminds me of a hydra, multiple heads all attacking each other instead focusing at the job at hand.

Must suck to work for them.

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

Its almost like Sega has no central controls. Sega reminds me of a hydra, multiple heads all attacking each other instead focusing at the job at hand.

Must suck to work for them.

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No, it means it's the biggest videogame publishing house inside of Japan with many, many divisions offering many, many different products. Sonic Team, for example, doesn't have anything to do with the branded MP3 player we all oohed and aahed over a month or so ago. Internal politics is a fact of corporate life, and fucks everyone over in the long run.

About the article: so it turns out that working for video game companies isn’t the number-one job every thirteen-year-old dreams it to be. I’m shocked - shocked! Some guy working in a busy office daring to complain about his job on the Internet!…

And, as usual with SEGA fan-blogs, this automatically ‘explains’ everything bad to come out of Sega since the author’s balls dropped. It turns out NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams was a crossplatform 360/PS3 title - hey, that’d be interesting! Why move? Were there any cloak-and-dagger ‘incentives’? Company rivalries? Going where the moolah is, etc. etc. Shall we discuss this? Debate in the comments, please, we’ll make a feature of the best arguments later!

Nooo. Instead, this once more turns into the author sobbing about how dreadful conditions at Sonic Team are and how nothing's 16-bit and 2D any more. Poor Sonic Team, having to produce videogames for ten-year-old Japanese schoolchildren! SEGA is dead, the magic is gone, dogs and cats are living together, mass hysteria roolz! It can't be that the company's internal politics suck, that would be too ordinary! No, it must be some kind of SECRET CONSPIRACY - the stuff Sonic Team didn't want you to know about!


VIDEOGAMERS *waves fists in air*

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Originally Posted by Elusive

...and how nothing's 16-bit and 2D any more.

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Well....yeah!, sob sob ;)

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Sega itself is just one sad story.

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You're just one sad story. :mad:

It's exaggerated of course, but that's how I feel about it in a nutshell.

Sure there were good times, but it's a freakin' drama mostly.

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Originally Posted by Elusive

Shall we discuss this? Debate in the comments, please, we’ll make a feature of the best arguments later!

Nooo. Instead, this once more turns into the author...

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...presenting the given information as written in stone, and cutting any possible debate by claiming that his "detective work" and interpretation of the results reveal the ultimate super secret truth behind all things.

That of course is even sadder than Sega's story.



- But the story goes on! Discover how the truth is hidden from you, the reader, by the media:

http://www.tssznews.com/2009/01/07/a...lted-on-sfghq/

Don't forget to grab your popcorn.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

It's exaggerated of course, but that's how I feel about it in a nutshell.

Sure there were good times, but it's a freakin' drama mostly.

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I was just kidding. That's some American humor for you. Whenever someone says "(entity) is (negative term)", you reply with "you're (negative term)". Or "your mom" or "your face". Depending on the context.

I think its slightly entertaining if you think about it. Its like a soap opera :)

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Originally Posted by j_factor

I was just kidding. That's some American humor for you. Whenever someone says "(entity) is (negative term)", you reply with "you're (negative term)". Or "your mom" or "your face". Depending on the context.

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Guess I am not the only one who doesn't appreciate your humor.

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Originally Posted by TheEdge

Guess I am not the only one who doesn't appreciate your humor.

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Somehow I doubt you appreciate any humor.

Sega should just let the friggin' Sonic Rush team develop a console game from the ground up, and stay out of their way. They actually understand what makes a good Sonic game, unlike Sonic Team who only seems to understand "Hmm... Let's just make Sonic run so fast that the player can't even tell what the crap they are doing!" Sonic Team is dead.

This reminds me of an article I read about Core, the higher ups kept ordering them to make more and more Tomb Raider games one after the other and they kept telling them they had used up all their ideas after the first 2 games, but nobody would listen and just kept forcing them along until everyone on the team utterley despised tomb raider and Lara Croft, they said they had loads of ideas for other games on the drawing boards but were never allowed to start making them.

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Originally Posted by j_factor

Somehow I doubt you appreciate any humor.

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YOUR MOM somehow doubts that he appreciates any humor.

That's a bad example, but it's somehow funnier when the "burn" isn't insulting in the least.

"It's a nice day!"

"YOUR MOM is a nice day"

And exchanging such witticisms with a sibling? Comedy gold!

Its not surprising, the corporate structure is intellectually Strangling in the extreme. All they care about is profits which is fine until they begin to become less and less creative as time goes on. After that they become so rigid that they have trouble surviving. Tomb Raider and Sonic are perfect examples of how narrow minded some corporate leaders are, they never think ahead more than a few months

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Originally Posted by Timstuff

Sega should just let the friggin' Sonic Rush team develop a console game from the ground up, and stay out of their way. They actually understand what makes a good Sonic game, unlike Sonic Team who only seems to understand "Hmm... Let's just make Sonic run so fast that the player can't even tell what the crap they are doing!" Sonic Team is dead.

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Sonic Unleashed takes a ton of inspiration from the Sonic Rush games; point A to point B races, boss battles on a looping track, QTE points that give you a speed/boost bonus if you get the buttons right, etc etc.

Then someone complains about... *shakes 8-ball* ...the voice acting, and it's back to square one. SEGA IS DEAD, and so on.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

...presenting the given information as written in stone, and cutting any possible debate by claiming that his "detective work" and interpretation of the results reveal the ultimate super secret truth behind all things.

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I love how the Sega-16 interviews let the interviewee speak for themselves, and leave it to the reader to draw their own conclusions. Give an army of creepy manchildren and bored thirteen-year-olds a 'mystery' that is in dire need of solving (. . .), and you'll end up convinced that Sonic the Hedgehog was originally going to be a top-down shooter set in the Korean War or something.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser's linked article

...it’s completely another matter to arbitrarily close a topic in order to fend off tense discussion that hasn’t occurred, and may not occur–prompting the possibility that Slingerland may be using his power within the Sonic community and its forums to an extreme...

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it melts my brain that someone, somewhere, typed this out, and meant every single word.

'Slingerland may be using his power within the Sonic community and its forums to an extreme'. sonic fandom. it ... it rocks.