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I've always wondered why Capcom did almost nothing for the Genesis, then was a loyal supporter for the Saturn and Dreamcast until the bitter end for both. Did they ever actually make a Genesis game themselves, or did they have independent developers make them? What's also weird is that, while they were gung-ho with the SNES, they pretty much ignored the N64. What's up with all that?
It's not that Capcom 'loved' the NES and SNES, it's that they hated the Genesis. It was nothing against Sega, it was just the Genesis. You can even see some hidden text in SNES roms indicating so <_<;
Capcom was outraged by Sony and purposefully went to the Saturn. Sony had demanded 3D ONLY games for its first few years/months and turned capcom away when Mega Man 8/X4 and all the street fighter games were getting ready. Capcom was even more angry when Mega Man 8 was to be a Saturn exclusive but Sony threatened to sue claiming it would give the Saturn an unfair advantage. This further enraged Capcom which is why they so supported the Saturn and gave lackluster ports to the Playstation.
My guess regarding the Genesis is that Nintendo had Capcom by the balls...
That's what I hate about Sony. They discourage 2D games. They always have. I blame them for people my around my age (17) hating 2D games soley because they're not 3D. I'm the only person I know who's a classic gamer. My friends always make fun of my love of old 2D games for Genny, SNES, and such. Mega Man 8 and X4 are actually my favorite PSone games ever, but the Saturn versions are still better.
Ironically, one of the best games on the PSOne was a 2D side-scroller
don't mean to derail this thread but...
3d sucks
Vib-Ribbon?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMatthews
Castlevania: SOTN
Their are more 2d games on that system then I once thought. I always was a Saturn kid so I ignored the Ps1 for the most part but I missed out on a few 2d games that I am only now learning existed.
Castlevania
Mega Man 8
Mega Man X4, 5, and 6
. . . I'm out
Silhouette Mirage?
*shrugs*
The PSX library was so huge, my knowledge of it only scratches the surface. Those are the only games I know about
Capcom was drunk off Nintendo's kool-aid during the NES & later SNES era; they were amongst the handful of staunch Nintendo loyalists who rarely if ever showed any love to Sega or other consoles (others include Square, Enix and to a lesser extent Konami). If anything Capcom collaborated with Sega during these days to extend their cash-cow "Street Fighter II" to the huge overseas Genesis install base; otherwise they released stuff of little value for the Genesis.Quote:
Originally Posted by zetastrike
All of the aforementioned developers were turned off by the announcement that the N64 was going to be cart-based, and at the same time were enticed by Sega & Sony's technology which they jumped on board of, leaving the N64 mostly high & dry.
While Capcom flexed their 2D muscle and TLC with their Saturn software, the bulk of their software and efforts during the 32-Bit era, as well as their biggest hits were released on the PS1. But beginning with the Saturn, Sega & Capcom began getting along well. I bet they would've gotten along even earlier if not due to Nintendo's dictatorship and, possibly as tomatheous alluded, the fact that they didn't like the Genesis hardware........which was quite similar to their CPS1 hardware.
That may be true, but they let big name franchises remain 2-d, ala Symphony of The Night, but once again, only already existing franchises could have 2-d sequals. It was sort of a blanket ban but some could slide through.Quote:
Originally Posted by zetastrike
I like Capcom for "Power Stone 2", but "Mega Man: Wily Wars" has always puzzled me.
Why would they fuck up their own game? You through the trouble to make the game and then you don't do it to your usual high standards. Or, in the case of here in the US, you don't even bother to release the game at all.
I should have known something was funky with Capcom when I played "Mega Man 4" and concluded it was mediocre compared to the previous 3.
Just out of curiosity, is there a site where I can see these hidden texts? If not can you give me an example?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomaitheous
Dunno, I always just took it as though Capcom weren't sure whether the Master System or Mega Drive were viable markets at the time (the Master System definately wasn't seeing as Nintendo's Licencing meant Capcom could only release games on one console or the other and the NES was so strong they were pretty much forced to sign up to it)
I always thought that Capcom were probably one of the companies that had grown to hate Nintendo's business practices but felt like that had no choice, and as soon as they saw that Sega machines could be viable they jumped ship, I mean, even before the Saturn days, weren't they trying to get around Nintendo's exclusivity deals and stuff? I remember hearing somewhere that Street Fighter 2 was supposed to be exclusive for the SNES but Capcom just changed the name and game around a bit so they could release a much needed-to-stay-competitive Genesis version.
This is all conjecture though so i'm probably talking nonsence again :)
In early 1993, Capcom announced that they would be officially developing for the Genesis; specifically inking a deal with Sega to port over "Street Fighter II: Champion Edition". Nintendo countered by getting Capcom to port over the superior and then-new "Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting". Sega countered by getting Capcom to to include all of the "Turbo" features in their Genesis SFII port, which was renamed "Street Fighter II: Special Champion Edition", (due to Nintendo having exclusivity rights to the name "Street Fighter II Turbo") In the end, both games were essentially similar give or take a couple of things, (hell SCE was a downgraded port of SNES Turbo pretty much).
Nintendo won that battle, as 4+million copies of SNES SFIIT were sold worldwide to 1+million copies of Genesis SCE worldwide.
Sorry, I was being facetious:pQuote:
Originally Posted by 16-bit
But there is a hidden ending screen in the Genesis version where all the Capcom exces are giving you the bird.
I have long since lost the link to the picture.
This is true. There should be a nice balance of 2D and 3D games. Its good to have variety in the dimensions.Quote:
Originally Posted by zetastrike
While the Sega-programmed Capcom games on the Mega Drive are great, I only enjoy Mega Man: The Wily Wars of those Capcom produced themselves, and to a small extent the SFII games (although the ports are so piss-poor demented people could do better). However, Capcom were only in third place in having their tongue furthest up in Hiroshi Yamauchi's ass back then. Enix and Square shared the first place, and Konami were fourth. On the other hand, Sega had the far superior Treasure and Tecnosoft, among others.
I thought this thread's subject matter was apt for something Keiji Inafune just revealed about Capcom's internal policy. Apparently he had to oppose management to get Dead Space and Lost Planet made, the upper management policy was to deny any requests for new games. While the article says that this was towards the end of the "Playstation 2 era", I noticed the policy way back in the NES days. Relevant to this thread, I think the old Sega was well known for making new games in large quantities. In Yu Suzuki's interview with 1up.com, he revealed that Sega stopped approving new games after the Dreamcast was shuttered. Which was why he ultimately left the company.
What was it about the Playstation 2 era that caused most companies to go conservative? I watched the games as they came out, and for the most part all of the games that interested me were rated poorly (or blasted) in reviews and flopped at retail. It seemed like most of the complaints centered not on the games being too "new" but on the control schemes and cut scene quality.
Did people just get sick of playing games for gameplay's sake? Did the push to become bigger and better than Hollywood change people expectations too much?
the only CAPCOM game I have for SEGA's 16-bit is Street Fighter II SCE and Final Fight CD,
and Mega Man on Game Gear is pretty damn solid. Better than the competition may I add, i.e. GameBoy.
Wow, one of my first threads has been bumped. I always thought Capcom's attitude was that they didn't want to "waste their time" with the Genesis because they knew no matter what they made, it wouldn't sell that well in Japan. What happens in Japan seems to be a lot of developers' first priority. They probably didn't want to piss off Nintendo either.
As for Strider and Ghouls and Ghosts on Genesis, Final Fight CD was developed by Sega.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegenie
Capcom said it was interested by Mega Drive since March-April 92 but I don't know when it decided to develop on it.
4 Capcom games were released on Mega Drive:
_Street fighter 2'
_Super street fighter 2
_Megaman world
_Mickey & Minnie Magical Adventure 2
http://www.jap-sai.com/Games/Capcom/Capcom.htm#MD
On Mega-CD, Capcom No quiz was developed and published by SIMS.
You forgot The Punisher, but that game wasn't developed by Capcom, merely published.Quote:
Originally Posted by youloute
And "Saturday Night Slam Masters", which was worked on by Yoshinori Ono, the producer behind the SFIV games, back when he was a lowly jabroni at Capcom. Slam Masters I believe was the last Capcom-developed Genesis game, with "The Punisher" being the last Capcom game PERIOD on the console.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
I guess I'm tired. I didn't know The Punisher was released on Mega Drive.
According to Guardiana, there isn't any japanese version of these 2 games.
I have seen both running on the system, and own the Punisher, it is a very good Arcade conversion for the Genesis.
Huh, I hadn't realized Sony pushed that hard in Japan from day 1 as well. (I thought they were pushing 3D hard, but not so much actively discouraging 3D until the US launch plans/management were really getting going)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanegashima
It made a lot of sense to put an emphasis on 3D (and multimedia), but actively discouraging developers from bringing more games to the platform (2D or 3D) doesn't make much sense from a business perspective. (niche market or not -which it wasn't in 1994/95, let alone in Japan- that's no reason to discourage it -aside from actual 1st/2nd party developers that Sony was directly investing in)
Aside from the sarcasm, was there really any reason for Capcom to dislike the Genesis?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomaitheous
Their work on the System wasn't bad, but it was late in coming and not especially amazing either (good in some areas, lacking in others), but not really inconsistent with the SNES end of things either. (they definitely seemed consistent about putting graphics -even subtle animation and detail that many wouldn't notice easily- over audio quality -a problem with both the SNES and MD SFII conversions, and one that got worse with sequels)
The exception would be the voices/FX in the PCE version of SFII.
I can't help but thinking Sega (and some 2nd/3rd parties they often outsourced to) could have done better jobs of many Capcom games on the MD (including SFII) if they'd continued primarily licensed development of Capcom games. (as with GnG, Final Fight, etc)
I actually wonder if Sega had started work (or done considerable work) on their own SFII conversion before Capcom actually signed on as a licensed publisher with Sega. (in particular, there's that somewhat mysterious SFII Beta that uses an older in-house Sega Sound engine, but doesn't mention Capcom licensing or programming one way or the other -ie "reprogrammed by" or such)
It would be really interesting to find out who developed that (nearly complete) 2MB beta version of SFII on the MD, and when. (lacking some details of SCE, but for 2 MB, it's pretty nice in general -different trade-offs than WW on the SNES, but overall better IMO)
There are some names in the ROM, not they're of much help at this time:Quote:
Originally Posted by kool kitty89
Code:T.NagawaS.MizutaniY.UmakosiA.Watanabe
You guys need to get over this Sony was hellbend on not allowing 2D games when that simply isn't true. You aren't anti-2D and get an exclusive to release MK3. Now they clearly had a preference of 3D games over 2D games and that's about it.
It was Sony in the US who pushed the anti-2D agenda.
Can you share some quotes?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomaitheous
Thing is, the "anti 2D" thing is widely sourced and quoted by different magazines and developers of the time, so there was definitely something going on, but I think its been overstated, I think Sony wanted games which showed off the system impressively more than anything else, and didn't want anything which looked "last gen" or dated, they seemed to want to distance themselves from Interactive movies right off the bat too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Shocker
The Capcom/Sony problems are widely written of in the press, and off the top of my head there's the interview with the people who made Worms who said they were initialy refused permission to release the game with "No, the policy is 3D games only"
Tom hasn't posted here since March 5th. He was complaining about a fever, I hope he's okay, somebody should try to hunt him down if anybody knows him.
The way that I understood it, going by various sources over the years, was that Sony didn't ban 2D so much as value it less and encouraged publishers to make any 2D releases special (added or exclusive content, etc) if they weren't noteworthy in the first place. Mortal Kombat obviously was welcomed because it was a major brand.
Some developers basically said that Sony only approved so many 2D games proportionate to the number of 3D games so that they were a clear minority. It's not nearly the same as banning them outright, which obviously didn't happen. But by all accounts it was easier to get a 2D game approved if you were a big company.
But what is so odd about all of this is that Sega didnt even capitalize on this. But then again these 3rd parties had there head so far up Sony's ass they could'nt think right.
I don't believe Sony banned 2D since it published itself a few 2D games such as Rapid reload/Gunners heaven (run and gun), Mickey's Wild Adventure (= Mickey Mania)...