Sega-16 Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by Lan Di

That "former racist" is a full of white guilt and condescension. He is trying to establish black people as a permanent underclass with no hope of progressing without government assistance or the "white man's" assistance. He is more than likely pro-affirmative action, pro-welfare, pro-single parents, and pro-abortion. The main ingredients that are oppressing black people.

I'll be back later today to expand on the whole Baltimore "minstrel show" you all are enjoying.

In the meantime this woman nails just about everything I stand for when it comes to the whole white cop kills a black guy scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=190&v=xl7Q36V9pg4

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While I agree with her on a fundamental level, it's going to be a VERY long time. It's not just about condescension, it's something very, very, VERY deeply ingrained into many people, from childhood to adulthood.

I can walk into a store, dressed in normal clothing, and not be scrutinized the vast majority of the time. I'm just a guy going shopping.
Many minorities, especially younger black males, are going to almost always have more scrutiny in the exact same situation.

Blacks are also far more likely to come from an underprivileged and/or broken home than a white person.

This isn't to say neither of the above situations is going to never happen to someone who isn't black, of course not, they happen all the time.

So while I support the ideal of everyone being treated equally, how do you handle the interim when they are NOT being treated like equals? Affirmative action was something meant to address that, by forcing employers to hire minorities even if they were prejudiced against doing so.
Does it work? No, not really. But what other solutions are there? I think that's what needs to be looked at.
Personally I'm more in favor of making sure that education and skills are passed down more equitably, and that a given company isn't turning away people based on race, but based on skills, experience, and the quality of the persons character.

Welfare is a whole other area. I'm absolutely 100% for welfare, foodstamps, etc. They are needed services because people need help at times. What fails is that there is almost no accountability. People can abuse those programs because there is a minimal, if any, concern about really making sure people are using them the right way. Everyone on them should be showing that they are working to get off of them, and show real progress. No one should be able to just sit and live off the state forever if they are fully capable of working and providing for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Lan Di

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=190&v=xl7Q36V9pg4

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I completely agree with this video. This is part of why I don't use the term african american, because to me it seems like that term is just PC. As for the redneck, regardless of any white guilt or other issues the important factor is that he realized that racism is wrong and changed his ways. He may have more to improve on, but it's a start, and that's better than what many people do.

The truth is that it does need to be discussed more openly in order for us to understand it and eventually be rid of it, but most people are too fearful to do this. They want to believe it just isn't an issue anymore and move on from there. Just as many blacks wish to be treated equally in every way, the respective individuals must also toss aside giving blame to whites "just because". I've worked this out with a few individuals, in fact. Over time, they realized that I was not simply by race rightfully associated with what other whites have done, and that other whites aren't either unless they take part in the discrimination themselves.

I don't know if many others have experienced the same cultural anomaly here, but it is fairly interesting to be the "token white guy", and it ends up being a joke between myself and friends, acquaintances, and co workers.

Welfare has nothing to do with race. The most comprehensive welfare states in the world are the Nordic countries, all of which are 90%+ white. Historically, the implementation of welfare was pioneered by Otto von Bismarck in Germany in the 1880s. He viewed it as a "middle ground" that would ease social unrest and curb the appeal of socialism. When Germany became a huge economic power in the years after, they were seen as a model by British Liberals, who implemented welfare programs under H.H. Asquith and David Lloyd George in the early 20th century. Now I don't have precise demographic data, but I'm pretty sure that neither 1885 Germany nor 1910 Britain were noted for their racially diverse populations.

What’s happening concerning the Baltimore riots is the direct result of failed liberal policy and the insatiable appetite that most urban blacks have to blame white people and the police for everything wrong in their lives while at the same time exalting criminal behavior and ignoring personal responsibility. And as for the deceased Mr. Freddy Gray, I wish is family well. His name and his family’s name do not deserve to be connected to riots and barbarism. Like the chief prosecutor Marilyn Mosby stated “I can assure the public that my office has dedicated all its existing resources to independently investigate this matter to determine whether criminal charges will be brought.” And that is how a civilized people behave.

This is what the media and black America is not telling the world about Baltimore….

1. The mayor of Baltimore is black, as well as the police commissioner and the chief prosecutor. The city is run and enforced by black liberals. You don’t believe me? Google it.
2. All of the protesting is orchestrated and funded by professional agitators and anarchists and social media is the vessel. This is mainly white liberals/progressives. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...spur/?page=all
3. The Baltimore City high school graduation rate is 68.5%. This is absolutely insane. A city run by black liberals has failed their own citizens. What’s left for a black dropout? Drugs, gangs, unprotected sex, and criminal activity are tantalizing options that are freely available. And these rioters are living proof of this. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...or-David-Simon
4. None of this is the white man’s fault or because of the “white man’s system”, the tea party, conservatism, or the KKK. Nope, you can’t even use the “white privilege” card. The riots is 100% ignorant black bullshit.


Those Police officers that had Freddy Gray in custody have a hell of a lot to answer to. I cannot for the life of me understand how a man can sever his own spine while sitting down shackled inside a police van. Something is horribly wrong with this picture. Those cops are more than likely dirty cops. I have a feeling that Baltimore is in for one hell of a ride.

I respect the LGTB community for their professional and tactful approach the discrimination. I may not agree with their intentions, lifestyle and ambition but I’m giving credit where credit is due. You are probably asking why, and what the hell does this have to do with the Baltimore riots. The LGTB community has made tremendous political strides in the past few decades. The LGTB community has endured countless setbacks and unwarranted violations like shock treatment, murders, arsons, public humiliations, and so on. Now gay marriage is embraced by most Americans, sex reassignment surgery is granted to almost anyone that wants it, estate and property rights are granted to same sex partners in most states. NONE of this was accomplished by burning up their own neighborhoods, looting, and hurting people. This is the difference between civilized people with critical thinking skills and ignorant savages. Respect.

This woman here speaks volumes of what I stand for. She uses a lot of vulgarity, but what else is new…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bL3LH30Q98

Only idiots would try and say the rioting, etc, is a good idea. Understandable why it happened? Sure, but that doesn't make it right. You absolutely had people trying to go about things the right way there as well (peaceful protests), but the ones that went out of control will grab the attention since the media can hype that up to sell it as "news". The people there actually trying to change things and be good at the same time, the ones looking to dial back the violence and even stop looters or help clean up after them... they don't get much screen time.

And Lan Di, don't kid yourself. It's not a black issue because of race, nor is it a "failed liberal agenda". You think a heavily conservative city like Oklahoma City would fare better? (~25% minorities)
How about one of the most liberal cities like Seattle? (~30% minorities)
Baltimore is, FYI, around 70% minority population.
All sourced from US census.

And there are two things to note about that.
First, is that people tend to group together. Minorities, white people, some religious groups, etc. So Blacks, Hispanics, Indian, various east Asian groups, Caucasian, etc all tend to form small sub communities.

Second, is that minority groups also tend to have much less average earning potential here.

The issue is one of economics, and the fact that when you put a whole bunch of poor people together, no matter their race, religion, political leanings, gender, or sexual orientation... it creates an environment that fosters the continuation of that cycle.
You have less education, less opportunity, less support, and generally very few positive role models to give you something to work towards.

Which is also, not to go too far off topic. That's why I hate the current crop of Athletes and rap "stars". As a rule, most do nothing but glorify the crappy conditions... and worst of all, they don't provide any role model for actually getting educated and getting out of the place they are in.
Playing sports and writing terrible lyrics for what is literally far less than a one in a million shot to make it anywhere is a terrible thing for people to strive for... especially when so many give little or no attention to any fallback plan.

Unfortunately political leaning doesn't magically fix issues. Welfare and related programs are not the issue, race is not the issue, political affiliation isn't the issue.
All of those things

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Originally Posted by EclecticGroove

And Lan Di, don't kid yourself. It's not a black issue because of race, nor is it a "failed liberal agenda". You think a heavily conservative city like Oklahoma City would fare better? (~25% minorities)
How about one of the most liberal cities like Seattle? (~30% minorities)
Baltimore is, FYI, around 70% minority population.
All sourced from US census.

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You've gotta be kidding me right? You seem to be out of touch with reality. No other one race is 90% allied with leftist policy. Leftist policy has pretty much annihilated the black family structure and places countless blacks on government assistance like the vast majority of the Baltimore rioters.

Like former president Lyndon Johnson said "I'll have these niggers voting Deomcratic for the nest 200 years". You know the old saying, "too much of anything isn’t good for you". Here is how the black community is suffering from liberalism. Social-welfare programs of the 1960s helped wreck the black nuclear family and make socioeconomic self-independence undesirable. Minimum-wage laws priced inexperienced blacks out of jobs. Weak law enforcement endangered blacks who lived in crime-ridden neighborhoods. Affirmative action either benefited blacks who were already academically qualified or put academically unqualified blacks in rigorous schools where they struggled to succeed. 75 percent of black families in Philadelphia in 1880 had two parents and children. Black unemployment in 1930 was lower than white employment. Black poverty fell 40 percent between 1940 and 1960. Currently 72% of black families have no father. That should mean something to you unless you are a feminist/leftist, or lesbian.

And those cities and numbers you provided are meaningless when it comes to poverty and education. People will misbehave and get involved in criminal behavior regardless of the city. The difference is the policing and upholding of existing federal and local laws, education and unemployment. If you live in a society where you are not encouraged to better yourself and simply rely on government assistance and that black people are born victims and will be victims from the cradle to the grave due to white privilege, white suppression and the ongoing residual effects of slavery, and the absence of personal responsibility. All of that is absolute bullshit that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, progressives, white liberals, feminists, and the vast majority of democrat run cities/school districts are pushing. This is what perpetuates the over population of blacks in prisons, the black unemployment rate, blacks living in single parent environments. Stay poor and stupid, keep your ipads, smart phones, Air Jordans, 22 inch rims, hair extensions and be happy. No incentive to improve. Stay pacified like a baby. As long as they feel that liberal policy is “protecting them from the racist evil white man”, ignorance is bliss.

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Originally Posted by EclecticGroove

And there are two things to note about that.
First, is that people tend to group together. Minorities, white people, some religious groups, etc. So Blacks, Hispanics, Indian, various east Asian groups, Caucasian, etc all tend to form small sub communities.

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What else is new? That was a bit condescending as if I was too stupid to realize that.

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Originally Posted by EclecticGroove

Second, is that minority groups also tend to have much less average earning potential here.

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More condescension. You are implying that minority groups are born with less earning potential? That is liberal condensation. The potential is there as long as you work hard, play by the rules. Anyone can do that as long as the incentive exists. Take away the incentive and ignorance, blame and complacency ensues. What’s wrong with maid service, cleaning toilets, janitorial services, waiting tables, landscaping, panting. Menial jobs will always exist in any society, but if you don’t have the incentive to do those things people like illegal aliens will come in across the border and do it, Former Mexican President Vicente Fox said it best “Mexicans will do jobs that even black people won’t do”. Link http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/05...acial-comment/

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The issue is one of economics, and the fact that when you put a whole bunch of poor people together, no matter their race, religion, political leanings, gender, or sexual orientation... it creates an environment that fosters the continuation of that cycle.
You have less education, less opportunity, less support, and generally very few positive role models to give you something to work towards.

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Name any other race, gender, or sex orientation that has burned down their own neighborhood in the name of discrimination/police shootings. Aha!!!…. None ;) Black bullshit 101.

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Originally Posted by EclecticGroove

Unfortunately political leaning doesn't magically fix issues. Welfare and related programs are not the issue, race is not the issue, political affiliation isn't the issue.

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Politically leaning, no. Personal responsibility and hard work, yes. And any political leaning does not automatically or “magically” fix issues. But don’t dodge the bullet, conservatism embraces personal responsibility and hard work. Progressives believe that it is the responsibility of everyone to take care of everyone. Take for example former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. He was a registered republican, but had extreme leftist leanings. He did not believe in personal responsibility and hard work. He believed in amnesty, out of control unions, excessive taxation and increased the State’s debt into the stratosphere. Welfare was designed to help persons with disabilities and people unable to work/ or support themselves due to severe hardship. Not everyone fits that description, but progressives have made it so damn near anyone with a half-assed grievance can fall in to the category of welfare recipient.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST LAN DI is laying it in thick with the conservative drivel. Not going to address every issue but I find it amusing that he didn't address the Republicans infamous Southern Strategy. BTW black have always been going to prison in extremely large numbers back in the 1800's

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In the past decade, several influential studies of this period have revealed the relationship between emancipation, the 13th Amendment, and the convict lease program (Lichtenstein, 1996a; Mancini, 1996; Davis, 1999). Built into the 13th Amendment was state authorization to use prison labor as a bridge between slavery and paid work. Slavery was abolished "except as a punishment for crime." This stipulation provided the intellectual and legal mechanisms to enable the state to use "unfree" labor by leasing prisoners to local businesses and corporations desperate to rebuild the South's infrastructure. During this period, white "Redeemers" -- white planters, small farmers, and political leaders -- set out to rebuild the pre-emancipation racial order by enacting laws that restricted black access to political representation and by creating Black Codes that, among other things, increased the penalties for crimes such as vagrancy, loitering, and public drunkenness (Davis, 2000). As African Americans continued the process of building schools, churches, and social organizations, and vigorously fought for political participation, a broad coalition of Redeemers used informal and state-sponsored forms of violence and repression to roll back the gains made during Reconstruction. Thus, mass imprisonment was employed as a means of coercing resistant freed slaves into becoming wage laborers. Prison populations soared during this period, enabling the state to play a critical role in mediating the brutal terms of negotiation between capitalism and the spectrum of unfree labor. The transition from slave-based agriculture to industrial economies thrust ex-slaves and "unskilled" laborers into new labor arrangements that left them vulnerable to depressed, resistant white workers or pushed them outside the labor market completely.

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http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defc...onslavery.html

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST LAN DI is laying it in thick with the conservative drivel. Not going to address every issue but I find it amusing that he didn't address the Republicans infamous Southern Strategy.

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Nixon was a crook. Nothing new.

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Originally Posted by Lan Di

Name any other race, gender, or sex orientation that has burned down their own neighborhood in the name of discrimination/police shootings. Aha!!!…. None ;) Black bullshit 101.

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Were there any neighborhoods burned down in Baltimore?
Were the isolated fires started by an entire race, gender, or sex?
Do you like to exagerate and draw prejudicial conclusions much when it fits your agenda, Lan Di?

Lan Di, you seriously think that all has to do with race alone? And not decades, even centuries worth of bullshit compounding into the situation we have here?

I pointed those facts out to put them out there, not to be condescending. Poor white areas in the south have the same issues. But they are nowhere near as widespread or endemic to "white culture". You don't see many Caucasian celebrities talking about how glorious being a poor white trash redneck is. Most of the people that do anything close are making fun of it. (Jeff Foxworthy, Larry the cable guy, etc). The closest one I can even think of is maybe Kid Rock... and that's a pretty far stretch.

Compare that to almost any current Rap artist who is glorifying the lifestyle of poverty and violence that permeates so many minority communities. (And Latino's actually do make up an increasing number of families in those areas as well, so no.. it's not a "black" problem).

Many Mexicans work hard. Many black Americans work hard too, lots would do an honest days work for an honest wage without fail.
I also agree the welfare system has failed, you completely ignored what I said about it to simply support your argument.
It needs to exist, but as it stands now? Anyone SHOULD be able to get on social services if needed. The problem is how much, and for how long.

The places where the most scrutiny is needed in regards to welfare and social services arguably have the least competent oversight. What's your answer to that? Ditching the whole thing so that these people starve and a good percentage likely wind up criminals who may not have in the fist place? You think parents with children who got laid off in a tough economy should just be told, "tough shit, not our problem?"

People need help sometimes. Not everyone has family or friends with enough to spare (if any at all) when they hit hard times. Not everyone that's gone on some form of social services is trying to scam the system, and not everyone that gets on it is determined to milk it for as long as they can get away with. Some legitimately need those services to survive. Others need them to be able to make a bit of headway to better their life.
If you're working 3 jobs and barely able to afford enough to get by, where is your money and time coming from to learn a new skill? or finish school?

And you know what else is a form of social welfare? Prisons... and we spend entirely too much on that already. Dismantling the entire welfare and social services infrastructure is just going to shift a not insignificant portion of those people to the jails and prisons. But hey, perhaps you like that?

I'm sure upstanding people like John D. Ferguson (Chairman of the board of Corrections Corporation of America) or Damon T. Hininger (the President of it), both fine upstanding Republicans, would be all for that.

Don't kid yourself Lan Di. I'm not delusional or out of touch at all. I'm just not ignorant enough to believe that it's a "black" problem. It's a problem that poor people have to deal with all over the country. And due to the history of this country, that group includes a significant portion of the Black community. Those communities are now so entrenched that people have a hard time getting out. It has nothing at all to do with skin color, and everything to do with how poor communities can so easily teach and perpetuate bad behaviors and outlooks.

No matter what spin you want to put on it, if that's not addressed, then it won't matter what policies you want to slap on top of it. Be they conservative, liberal, or in between.

And republicans believe in personal responsibility? Really? So that's why so many are trying to rally against same sex marriage and abortion? Things that have nothing to do with them, and everything to do with people they never have to associate with?

Please. They are JUST as bad as any liberal you care to mention. Both are flawed, greedy, self serving assholes that would actively fuck this country over (and have!) just to put another dollar in their wallets. Don't even try and pretend like conservative politics would make the country some happy awesome place. At best it would shift issues somewhere else.

I would like everybody to read Jon Swain's tweets

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Originally Posted by Zz Badnusty

Were there any neighborhoods burned down in Baltimore?
Were the isolated fires started by an entire race, gender, or sex?
Do you like to exagerate and draw prejudicial conclusions much when it fits your agenda, Lan Di?

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A corner drugstore is considered a neighborhood business. A church is considered a neighborhood institution. Both were burned by rioters in their own city/neighborhoods. I didn't state residential areas.

The Baltimore fires were set by angry black thugs. And sure, savages come in all colors because a few opportunistic white thugs were joining in the "fun" as well.

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Originally Posted by EclecticGroove

If you're working 3 jobs and barely able to afford enough to get by, where is your money and time coming from to learn a new skill? or finish school?

And you know what else is a form of social welfare? Prisons... and we spend entirely too much on that already. Dismantling the entire welfare and social services infrastructure is just going to shift a not insignificant portion of those people to the jails and prisons. But hey, perhaps you like that?

I'm sure upstanding people like John D. Ferguson (Chairman of the board of Corrections Corporation of America) or Damon T. Hininger (the President of it), both fine upstanding Republicans, would be all for that.

Don't kid yourself Lan Di. I'm not delusional or out of touch at all. I'm just not ignorant enough to believe that it's a "black" problem. It's a problem that poor people have to deal with all over the country. And due to the history of this country, that group includes a significant portion of the Black community. Those communities are now so entrenched that people have a hard time getting out. It has nothing at all to do with skin color, and everything to do with how poor communities can so easily teach and perpetuate bad behaviors and outlooks.

No matter what spin you want to put on it, if that's not addressed, then it won't matter what policies you want to slap on top of it. Be they conservative, liberal, or in between.

And republicans believe in personal responsibility? Really? So that's why so many are trying to rally against same sex marriage and abortion? Things that have nothing to do with them, and everything to do with people they never have to associate with?

Please. They are JUST as bad as any liberal you care to mention. Both are flawed, greedy, self serving assholes that would actively fuck this country over (and have!) just to put another dollar in their wallets. Don't even try and pretend like conservative politics would make the country some happy awesome place. At best it would shift issues somewhere else.

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1. I already stated that Republicans aren't automatically the solution. Didn't you read my post in its entirety or did you just cherry pick it?

2. I've worked two jobs three times in my lifetime. Working 3 jobs is an extreme rarity. So I understand how it is to struggle and be frustrated with the system. BUT, that does not automatically give a person license to riot whenever thing don't go there way. Oh what a bleeding heart you have.

3. Are you actually blaming the media for a person's actions? You heart continues to bleed. You are casting the blame on other entities than the violator. I love NWA. I have never brutalized women, killed police, or smoked dope.

It is obvious that you are reaching for the emotion and victim card. Try preaching personal responsibility for a change. You heart bleeds a river of guilt.

And by the way you accuse me of using spin while I have produced the facts and stats. I guess some people refuse to accept the truth and would rather live in a PC menagerie.

And lastly no one has proven me wrong with the notion that it's everyone's problem. No one has yet been able to name any other incident where a race other that blacks have rioted and burned down property in the name of police brutality/racism? The only time this has happened is when a white cop or white person has killed a black person. I'm waiting.......

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Originally Posted by Lan Di

A corner drugstore is considered a neighborhood business. A church is considered a neighborhood institution. Both were burned by rioters in their own city/neighborhoods. I didn't state residential areas.

The Baltimore fires were set by angry black thugs. And sure, savages come in all colors because a few opportunistic white thugs were joining in the "fun" as well.



1. I already stated that Republicans aren't automatically the solution. Didn't you read my post in its entirety or did you just cherry pick it?

2. I've worked two jobs three times in my lifetime. Working 3 jobs is an extreme rarity. So I understand how it is to struggle and be frustrated with the system. BUT, that does not automatically give a person license to riot whenever thing don't go there way. Oh what a bleeding heart you have.

3. Are you actually blaming the media for a person's actions? You heart continues to bleed. You are casting the blame on other entities than the violator. I love NWA. I have never brutalized women, killed police, or smoked dope.

It is obvious that you are reaching for the emotion and victim card. Try preaching personal responsibility for a change. You heart bleeds a river of guilt.

And by the way you accuse me of using spin while I have produced the facts and stats. I guess some people refuse to accept the truth and would rather live in a PC menagerie.

And lastly no one has proven me wrong with the notion that it's everyone's problem. No one has yet been able to name any other incident where a race other that blacks have rioted and burned down property in the name of police brutality/racism? The only time this has happened is when a white cop or white person has killed a black person. I'm waiting.......

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Welp let's see where are cops out shooting hispanics for whatever reasons? Whatever happens when a white cops shoots a white guy for dumbass reason? Surely enough the right wing media has covered this? Hmmmmmmmm. Why don't I hear of this type of shit in other countries? Like France or the UK? Shit i'm sure there are blacks up in Canada? Why oh why Lan Di do black just seem to do this stuff in well America?

Show me where I said it was the media's problem, or where I said it was acceptable or OK. I specifically stated it was NOT ok to riot. It's never OK to riot. I even stated, in my very first post in response to the Baltimore Riots above how harmful it is to the cause, and had similar things happened during MLK's "I have a Dream" Speech it's quite likely that things would have gone a very different route.

What I did say is that it's understandable HOW things got that way if you look at it, but that still doesn't excuse it. If a child is abused their whole life and grows up to kill someone, do they get a free pass because they had a lousy childhood? No, they still get in trouble, but the reason for their ourburst is understandable if you knew the history.

And right now that is the status of very many black communities. They have terrible upbringings, terrible history, and terrible lessons being passed on and ingrained from one generation to the next.
From hate towards whites, or just non Blacks (I've met a number of VERY anti Semitic Black people who grew up in poor areas with a large Hasidic population near by as an example), to a strong sense of entitlement for the state they are in as a community.

You see many of the same problems I do. But you are staunchly committed to listing them as "black" problems. When it really doesn't matter worth a damn what color their skin is.
They could be any race, but other races don't have the same history here, so it's not. Period.

And great, you've worked 2 jobs a few times in your life, and maybe even 3 once or twice! Yeah! Go you! Obviously you know what it's like to be stuck working 2-3 jobs to pay your bills, eat, and provide for your family for decades at a time.
Or to grow up in a house where your grandparents had to do the same to raise your father, and he had to do the same to raise you. Where you had to drop out of school to help with the family and pay the bills.

It's a completely different world from someone that's just gotta do it to get out of a tight spot.

But again, so you don't decide to take it out of context. THAT DOESN'T JUSTIFY LOOTING OR RIOTING. But when you have communities full of this. Full of people who are going nowhere, full of bad role models, absent parents (be it single parents, too much work, or dead/in jail), you've got a mix that makes it very goddamn difficult for any individual to overcome the roadblocks in their way. And as a community, nearly impossible for them to all move past that without tremendous effort.

There are no bleeding hearts with me. Criminals need to be dealt with. Period.
But I have never been one that likes to be just reactionary. I like to be proactive. If you see there's a big ass problem staring you in the face, and it's not going away... it's fucking stupid to sit there and just deal with the consequences of it over and over again. And that's what we keep doing.
Welfare and social services? Part of the same deal. You're looking at a symptom of the issue and acting like doing away with them or drastically cutting them back would be the solution. It wouldn't be. All you would be doing is adding more fuel to the same fire.
Cut those out, and sure, you get rid of some burdens on the system. Great! How much is that going to save the country compared to so many of the other things we waste billions or more on?
And all at the cost of the bottom most falling into complete destitution and pushing those on the edge further down.

Calling these issues stemming from historical economic and class disparity "black" problems hides behind a pretty little sign that says black people themselves are the problem, and should be dealt with as such. Which isn't even remotely true.

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Welp let's see where are cops out shooting hispanics for whatever reasons? Whatever happens when a white cops shoots a white guy for dumbass reason? Surely enough the right wing media has covered this? Hmmmmmmmm. Why don't I hear of this type of shit in other countries? Like France or the UK? Shit i'm sure there are blacks up in Canada? Why oh why Lan Di do black just seem to do this stuff in well America?

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I won't restrict examples of rioting to a particular race. people will riot when they feel their community is disenfranchised or targeted. Here are a few examples that you might find interesting.

There was the 2005 French riots:

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In October and November of 2005, a series of riots by mainly Arab, North African, and black second-generation immigrants occurred in the suburbs of Paris and other French cities, involving the burning of cars and public buildings at night. The unrest started on 27 October at Clichy-sous-Bois, where police were investigating a reported break-in at a building site, and a group of local youths scattered in order to avoid interrogation. Three of them hid in a power-station where two died from electrocution, resulting in a power blackout. (It was not established whether police had suspected these individuals or a different group, wanted on separate charges.) The incident ignited rising tensions about youth unemployment and police harassment in the poorer housing estates, and there followed three weeks of rioting throughout France. A state of emergency was declared on 8 November, later extended for three months, and the government announced a crackdown on immigration and fraudulent marriages. The riots resulted in three deaths of non-rioters, many police injuries and nearly 3000 arrests. Although many of the rioters were muslims, the government denied that radical islamism was a significant element in the violence.
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In the UK there was the 2011 England riots:

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On Thursday 4 August 2011, a police officer shot and killed 29-year-old Mark Duggan during a traffic stop on the Ferry Lane bridge next to Tottenham Hale station. The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) said that the planned arrest was part of Operation Trident, which investigates gun crime within the black community.[16] The incident had been referred to the IPCC, which is standard practice if death or serious injury follows police contact. After the shooting, the media widely reported that a bullet was found embedded in a police radio, implying that Duggan fired on the police. Friends and relatives of Duggan said that he was unarmed. The police later revealed that initial ballistics tests on the bullet recovered from the police radio indicate that it was a "very distinct" police issue hollow-point bullet. The IPCC later stated that a loaded Bruni BBM blank-firing pistol, converted to fire live ammunition, was recovered from the scene. It was wrapped in a sock and there was no evidence that it had been fired. On 13 August, the Independent Police Complaints Commission admitted that Duggan did not open fire, stating, "It seems possible that we may have verbally led journalists to [wrongly] believe that shots were exchanged". The bullet that had lodged in an officer's radio is believed to have been an over penetration, having passed through Duggan's body. [SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA]

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In Canada, there was also the "Christie Pits riots" (anti-semitism riots) here in Toronto and the Vancouver anti-Chinese riots. Both interesting cases.

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