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I'm debugging the CD base code, then I start modifying the Wolf3D code to run from CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbigreddog
Depends... I have the US mouse that comes with Wacky Worlds. From what I understand, the earlier Japanese mouse and the later European mouse are not the same. So if you have a Jap or Eur mouse, it might not work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
How's the music coming along?
I know we're a few months to a year from Doom but when and if you implement CD track music.. Let me know! I want my band to remake the Doom Music! That would kick ass! And would be SO Down for doing it!
I have the US mouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
Then it should work fine. The port doesn't matter either. Wolf32X will detect and use a pad and mouse in any port.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
@kool kitty89 - I'm still undecided on how to handle it on the cart. I'd like to write a general purpose MIDI player. That would be handy for other projects as well. I just haven't had the chance to work on it.
@mrbigreddog - The CD versions of Wolf3D and Doom will play tracks off the CD, although I might have an option for playing MIDI tracks as well. So once the CD versions come out, feel free to make tracks for them. One thing to remember is that CD tracks take space - if you have tracks that average 3 minutes long, you're only going to get about 20 on a disc, depending on exactly how long they are, and how much space the program takes. So you may have to have some levels use the same track as another level. To make this easier, the programs will have a small file that will tell the game which track to play for which level. If you change the music, you just change the file as well. If/when I make the CD versions play MIDI, that same file will tell what MIDI file to play for the level.
Have you considdered asking TmEE about the music, he's got that sound engine he's been working on.
Yeah, I probably should. It's not like I have to do EVERYTHING myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by kool kitty89
I got ya... The songs really won't be that long... they will just repeat alot... So it shouldn't take up too much space... Looks like most of the doom level songs are only about 1 min long... But I was thinking of completely rewriting them... Give them alot more of a evil dark sound... Not so upbeat!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
I see arguments both ways on the DoomWorld forums - some people think the original music is too upbeat for the game, and others can't stand music that isn't the same style as the original music. I've seen people swear the PSX Doom music is the greatest ever, and others that the PSX Doom music sucks. Oh well. It'll be interesting to see what you come up with.
There's always the arranged tracks from the 3DO version. ;)
And there are some other arranged versions out these too, like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lsg5...om=PL&index=14
(from the doom classic mod for Doom 3)
when you finish the game on the SegaCD 32X..will it be a download or we be able to buy it
Free download. The only image supplied will be for the shareware version. If you want a full version, you would need to generate your own level files from the original full-version. Tools will be supplied to do that. I'm not going to post a full version as I neither wish to run afoul of id, nor negotiate a license to sell the full version.
When I get Doom going, I'll probably have some images with the full version of FreeDoom, and maybe some TCs that use it. Again, the full version of the original Doom is not something you'll see from me.
just got done playing, accurate shooting is a bit difficult to pull off.
aside from that, this is a nice game. certainly much better than most of the other 32x games out there.
*I believe the only other good one (IMO) is mk2, but if you have the genesis version you really don't need anything else.*
That's the main reason I added mouse support. That's the most common complaint about using a joypad in a FPS - it's much harder to aim arcurately. With a mouse, it's not nearly so bad. A joypad has two speeds: medium, and fast. A mouse can be nearly any speed, making fine aiming easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by moonmaster1
Oh, if people have suggestions on the speed of the joypad (faster or slower for both normal and running), please feel free to make them. I haven't done a lot of "tuning" on the speed the player moves at, just enough to seem comfortable to me.
Well, I like quite a few of the 32X games, but there isn't much depth to the library since SEGA cut off support so quickly. Hopefully we will see homebrew helping to increase the library. I've loved my 32X since I got it, which is one reason I'm working on 32X homebrew now. I've posted the "devkit" I use to compile Wolf32X, and hope that others can get some use from it as well. Also, anyone interested in doing their own 32X homebrew is welcome to email me about programming on the 32X. One part of the reason I picked Wolf3D to start with is that it's open source, so any 32X code I did for it could be used by others for other open source projects.Quote:
aside from that, this is a nice game. certainly much better than most of the other 32x games out there.
*I believe the only other good one (IMO) is mk2, but if you have the genesis version you really don't need anything else.*
MK2 wasn't that good IMO. It is the second best fighter after VF but when you are up against Primal Rage and Cosmic Carnage lol. Oh and WWF Arcade is solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by moonmaster1
Where can I download... Did you have to use DOSbox or anything of that nature?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
The source is in the archive in the first post. The devkit is here:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/2/...t32X-090526.7z
It uses linux toolchains for the 68000 and SH2 compilers. There are Windows compilers for both, so a Windows devkit could be put together.
I tend to do primary testing via emulators (Gens/GS and KEGA Fusion), but I also have a flash cart and make sure things work on real hardware as well.
i was thinking about the doom port you are going to make. wouldnt it be easier to use whats their use the power of the mega cd and the fact the game isnt pushing the system much anyway to your advantage and put some split screen in their then for 1 player just make the enemys all sided and less pixelated and put the tunes from the 3do version in their and you would have the best port out their. that would also take alot less time than making a whole new port
Err - that post didn't make a lot of sense. :daze:
Depending on how you split the tasks, Doom is demanding enough (processor wise) that you can't really do two-player on the same system, even if you can do spilt screen.
I do intend to have all the sprites. The problem with the CD 32X is a lack of memory. I'm going to have to compress the graphics data and uncompress it on the fly to make it fit, which just increases the amount of work the CPUs have to do.
Less pixelated means using high res sprites... which increases the amount of memory needed yet again. I am looking into it, though.
The way the CD 32X works, there's absolutely no existing port that would help. The way they made it work originally was by chopping a lot of stuff out. Given I don't want to do that, I have to find some other way to make it all fit, and existing DOOM source ports cater to the essentially infinite amount of memory a modern PC provides. Even something like the PSP port has 32 MB to play with. The CD 32X has less than 1 MB.
Yo Chilly how good of port could the 32X really do of say a MKII or MK3.
Well, they have lots of high-quality sprites for all the different moves and characters. You'd probably need a 64 Mb cart to really do it right. If you went the CD route, then it's a matter of how much can you fit in the limited ram. You'd probably need to use (lossy) compression on the sprites, much like I'm planning for Wolf3D/Doom. So that would affect the quality somewhat. On the plus side, the CD could have all the characters and cut scenes without having to drop anything.
Hows Wolf32x coming?
Doing two things: debugging my CD base code; looking into some kind of music for the cart version.Quote:
Originally Posted by xXxTWO FACExXx
So, any other new stuff? I really want this game man. Hopefully it releases soon or my heads gonna' explode!:daze:
Still experimenting with audio stuff. I'd like to get some music playing for the next release. If you've been watching SpritesMind, you'd see some releases I've made of demos of compressed audio playback via the Z80. Not sure if that will make it into Wolf32X, I think I'd rather have a MIDI player using the FM chip instead.
yup i've been keeping eyes on it hehe I saw your amazingly hissy sound player :D hehe Sonic CD stuff doesn't actually sound too bad! you do get a bit of fizz still tho, I'd stick to Midi!
Some songs compress rather well, and others are noisy. But what do you expect from 4:1 compression that plays in real-time on a Z80. :)
It's more suitable for other applications that Wolf32X. So on to MIDI playing.
Sorry I didn't mean to sound like i'm discrediting your work at all! I'd imagine its hard work to get things out of the hardware but thats all part of the perk huh? Are you looking to compress heavily purely from a RAM saving point of view?
I didn't take you comment that way, so don't worry about it. The main thing I'm looking at with the compression is when I work on CD versions - I won't have MBs of ROM to stick stuff into, so most of the data will have to be compressed, and in such a way as to be decompressible in real-time.Quote:
Originally Posted by matteus
Well, however long it takes man, just waiting to get my hands on the CD Release. I'm patient, to a degree.:p
A painfully hard thing to find a compromise on...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
I can see the benefit of having CD versions from a distro point of view but the sacrifices on quality seem a little on the high side!
The compression was certainly a bit hit and miss depending on the track, will the CD be better than the original Cart or do you think it'll suffer on the sound but be graphically superior?
Update: Having listened to the cart version on youtube, I don't think you couldn't improve the sound!!! Fart Fart Fart
Well, the CD gives you the chance to have really good music using the CDDA, so it would just be sound effects that would be compressed... which means it wouldn't be that bad. Also, the graphics for something like Wolf3D and Doom are pretty coarse, so compression won't be too objectionable there either (planning on VQ compression for the video). The main thing the CD gives is the ability to have all the levels. The cart version won't hold everything... unless I compress there as well.
That's another thing that I'm looking into. I didn't need to worry about it with the shareware Wolf3D as that all fits just fine. If I wanted to make it where someone with the full version can build their own full cart, that becomes an issue - when I tried to make my own full version, it's too big to fit unless I wanted to try to make it use bank selecting like SSF2. If the compression works well enough, I can go back and do the cart version compressed as well to make things fit better. That's more of an issue with Doom than Wolf3D - I don't think the shareware Doom would fit into the cart space without compression. The current Doom 32X uses a "simplified" set of levels with less textures, and they also got rid of all sprites except the ones facing the player. I want it all in my version, so compression it is!
ahh so its more for sound effects! I'm not very knowledgable I didn't know if CDDA was effected by data disc access...
I used music for all my experiments because it's EASY to hear the flaws in most music. How do you tell if a gunshot or explosion sounds right?? But EVERYONE knows exactly what Palmtree Panic sounds like. :D
If you're 10% off on the sample rate on a gunshot, you may not even notice. You can clearly hear 10% off on music. I'm sure some folks can distinctly hear 1% off.
About the only case I see for using compressed music like in my experiments is if you wanted to include "normal" music (not mod/midi/vgm) with some other app, like that text reader that came out a few days ago. It's not like the Genesis (or even the 32X) can handle MP3. Otherwise, you're much better off to go with FM synth music.
ahh yeah I saw the very nice text reader!
If I go off your Sonic CD attempt I'd say Wolf3D is going to have some pretty good sound effects on the whole ;o)
just heard your latest effort, near enough spot on :) very slight crackling but some of the best compressed sound sampling I've ever heard coming from mega drive hardware!
The two main points with the compression I was trying: 1 - at least 3:1 compression; 2 - plays in real-time on the Z80.Quote:
Originally Posted by matteus
Will this game have X-band support?
Not a chance in hell. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tears of Ash
Even if someone knew how the X-Band worked, Wolf3D is a single player game. When I get to working on Doom, it will have support for the Zero Tolerance link cable.
Chilly as you know I'm not hot no hardware :) I'm guessing that the Music in Wolf3D will be only five FM channels with the sound effects being used on the 6th via the PCM channel? I'm guessing this rules out Tiido's sound driver?