Wolf32X - finally in beta!

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07-13-2009, 01:05 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by matteus

Chilly as you know I'm not hot no hardware :) I'm guessing that the Music in Wolf3D will be only five FM channels with the sound effects being used on the 6th via the PCM channel? I'm guessing this rules out Tiido's sound driver?

The sound effects are played through the PWM, so the FM/PSG is completely free. The problem isn't that there's no player code for music out there, the problem is that it's a huge pain in the ass to convert MIDI to one of those player's format. A MIDI player on the Genesis would be a big help. Then the music would be:

DRO to MIDI (or pick MIDI files)
=> MIDI Player

instead of

DRO to MIDI (or pick MIDI files)
MIDI to XM
XM to SMPS (which requires a lot of effort per song)
=> SMPS Player
07-13-2009, 03:18 PM
philiptwood

Well here's something I found on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFf-_qi3aI
07-13-2009, 05:32 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by philiptwood

Well here's something I found on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFf-_qi3aI

Yes, and that video is the only thing there is from that person. Not very helpful.
07-13-2009, 05:51 PM
kool kitty89

That guy seems to have done other console midi interfaces, and some related stuff: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=...eos&query=midi

But I don't think this is necessarily useful for converting Wolf3D's midi files to something the Genesis can use. (it seems like he made an adaptor to allow a midi interface with the systems, controlled manually like with the keyboard, not something useful for software)

Has TmEE expressed any intrest in colaberating on this for the music?
07-13-2009, 07:25 PM
TmEE

something is going on over email, and converting MIDIs to my format won't be too pain, since my sound setup is highly MIDI inspired to say so ;)

but my setup is quite useless for MCD environment since you have no place for samples, unless there's a RAM cart
07-13-2009, 11:34 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by TmEE

something is going on over email, and converting MIDIs to my format won't be too pain, since my sound setup is highly MIDI inspired to say so ;)

but my setup is quite useless for MCD environment since you have no place for samples, unless there's a RAM cart

Well, playing the music via the FM would just be for cart anyway. I plan to use RedBook audio for the CD version. So if you CAN convert MIDI into your format, that would be fine with me. :)
07-14-2009, 12:05 AM
Tears of Ash

I'm probably repeating what you already know but...

That's just acting as a MIDI controller. The device is just paired up with the genesis to push a key to activate parts of its sound board. Not sure how he does it, unless he's using custom software or something. It doesn't look like it in the video...

but upon further inspection: http://groups.google.com/group/smsm-announcements

Also on his blog http://little-scale.blogspot.com/

There are pictures in which he's making a MIDI interface. So maybe the genny used in that video isn't actually the one he's running the sound through.

Anyways, that's kind of off-topic and stuff people knew already =\
07-14-2009, 06:40 AM
matteus

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

The sound effects are played through the PWM, so the FM/PSG is completely free.

Doh I'd forgot all about the 32x having PWM! Glad to hear it sounds like Tiido will be able to help you with those Midis!
08-03-2009, 02:23 AM
Bramsworth

Question for chilly regarding his planned Doom port. Would other games based off of the Doom engine somehow be portable without much effort once you've made that? Like for example, Sonic Robo Blast 2, which is a modification of the Doom engine.

I'm guessing probably not, since they did considerable amounts of recoding I think, but I'm curious to hear an answer from someone who would know :)
08-03-2009, 05:12 AM
TmEE

SRB2 seems to require a bit too much CPU power.... my old 400MHz Celeron had really hard time maintaining 10FPS !!!
08-03-2009, 09:43 AM
retrospiel

Having a YM2612/PSG version of the soundtrack would be awesome! :)
08-03-2009, 11:28 AM
Speedle

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Originally Posted by Bramsworth

Question for chilly regarding his planned Doom port. Would other games based off of the Doom engine somehow be portable without much effort once you've made that? Like for example, Sonic Robo Blast 2, which is a modification of the Doom engine.

I'm guessing probably not, since they did considerable amounts of recoding I think, but I'm curious to hear an answer from someone who would know :)

not forgetting Doom 2 and Hexen :D oh and Blood! all use the same engine :D a hexen port would be great as not many people will remeber that!
08-03-2009, 01:35 PM
Chilly Willy

SRB2 is based on a specific source port of Doom - not the one I'm considering as the base for my port of Doom. The requirements are also rather high - too high for the 32X. It's too bad, though - that would have been the quick way for a cool 3D version of Sonic. :)

Once I have Doom going, it could certainly be used for other games. Of course, the further it is from the way Doom works, the more work you'd have to put into modifying the engine.
08-03-2009, 08:11 PM
kool kitty89

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

SRB2 is based on a specific source port of Doom - not the one I'm considering as the base for my port of Doom. The requirements are also rather high - too high for the 32X. It's too bad, though - that would have been the quick way for a cool 3D version of Sonic. :)

Yeah, kind of like the one using the Quake engine. ;) (of course, that's even more demanding)

Edit: I was thinking of Robo Blast, which is based on the Doom Legacy engine (probably what you were talking about), though there are other 3D homebrew sonic games in the works with much more modern engines.
08-03-2009, 10:27 PM
Chilly Willy

I was thinking that when I get Doom working for the 32X, it could be modified in a similar fashion to SRB2 for use in making a Sonic game like SRB2... just scaled back. We might be able to "borrow" some of the graphics and levels and sounds for it. ;)
08-04-2009, 01:14 AM
jamesdude

just made this for the hell of it........

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1.../Wolf3D32X.jpg
08-04-2009, 02:27 AM
Chilly Willy

Awesome, Dude! Can you make a CD 32X cover?
08-10-2009, 11:44 PM
Chaotix

Hey Chilly! I just had to say that you're work is quite amazing! Taking all this time to work on such a strange defunct system combo as the Genesis CD 32x is quite cool! Really, I can't wait for the CD 32x release of Wolf3D (WolfCD32x?), my system is waiting right here, all-revved up. XD
Although not many people know about it and its probably quite tough, I wish more people did more programming and homebrew for the Sega CD (or CD 32x). I've been stuck with Megamix for like 3 years. D=

I'd do some programming for the Genesis if my programming skills weren't limited to Q-BASIC and C64 BASIC. :D

...and I didn't even realize you worked on the PSP port of Wolf3D until you posted about it earlier. I've always been on the PSP homebrew scene...
08-11-2009, 12:16 AM
Chilly Willy

The entire SEGA lineup of consoles is seeing something of a boost in popularity and homebrew lately. People like these old systems more now than when they were selling. :D
08-11-2009, 02:56 PM
matteus

haha i'm not the only one who got a 32x purely for the growing homebrew then ;)

Chilly if you'd like to send me your paypal I'm more than happy to donate
08-19-2009, 10:40 PM
T2KFreeker

Wow, I am so glad to see that this project is still alive and kicking. Chilly, is there an estimate as to when the CD version will release? I still have my system plugged in and rerady to go when the day comes. I need a drool cup these days! Awesome that you are still on this though, you rock!:daze:
08-20-2009, 12:00 AM
philiptwood

Certainly a good first step for 32X homebrewing... That art work looks fantastic.
08-20-2009, 03:17 AM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by T2KFreeker

Wow, I am so glad to see that this project is still alive and kicking. Chilly, is there an estimate as to when the CD version will release? I still have my system plugged in and rerady to go when the day comes. I need a drool cup these days! Awesome that you are still on this though, you rock!:daze:

I'll try to get back on it this weekend... been sidetracked by my Dreamcast the last week or so. :D
08-20-2009, 03:56 AM
kool kitty89

I know it's probably something you'd add later on as a bonus feature (after music and such), but are you still considdering adding floor/ceiling textures? I think the idea got thrown out when the SNES doom port was being discussed, but you mentioned that it shouldn't have too dificult to add to wolf32x iirc.
08-20-2009, 06:36 AM
retrospiel

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

I'll try to get back on it this weekend... been sidetracked by my Dreamcast the last week or so. :D

Hey, glad to hear that you got a Dreamcast ! :D

- maybe you'd like to help us working on a Genesis emulator for it ? Just join the DCEmulation.org forums and I'll give you access to our development area.

The google code SVN is located here: http://code.google.com/p/genplus-dc/ (not much activity yet, sadly)
08-20-2009, 01:45 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

I know it's probably something you'd add later on as a bonus feature (after music and such), but are you still considdering adding floor/ceiling textures? I think the idea got thrown out when the SNES doom port was being discussed, but you mentioned that it shouldn't have too dificult to add to wolf32x iirc.

Wolf32X has ceiling/floor texture rendering, but it's currently off as I don't like the textures (they just use the first two wall textures for the floor and ceiling). If someone has some GOOD floor and ceiling textures for W3D, I'd be glad to add that in.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Hey, glad to hear that you got a Dreamcast !

- maybe you'd like to help us working on a Genesis emulator for it ? Just join the DCEmulation.org forums and I'll give you access to our development area.

The google code SVN is located here: http://code.google.com/p/genplus-dc/ (not much activity yet, sadly)

Sure, I'll register this morning. Any thoughts on going with PicoDrive instead of GenPlus? Given how well it runs on the PSP, I think a DC conversion would be awesome. :D
08-20-2009, 01:55 PM
retrospiel

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Wolf32X has ceiling/floor texture rendering, but it's currently off as I don't like the textures (they just use the first two wall textures for the floor and ceiling). If someone has some GOOD floor and ceiling textures for W3D, I'd be glad to add that in.

Nah, the game's supposed to have no ceiling/floor textures! Not even the Jaguar version has them.

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Sure, I'll register this morning. Any thoughts on going with PicoDrive instead of GenPlus? Given how well it runs on the PSP, I think a DC conversion would be awesome. :D

That might be a good idea actually. Let's see what BlackAura thinks about that. :)
08-20-2009, 02:01 PM
mrbigreddog

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Wolf32X has ceiling/floor texture rendering, but it's currently off as I don't like the textures (they just use the first two wall textures for the floor and ceiling). If someone has some GOOD floor and ceiling textures for W3D, I'd be glad to add that in.

I'll make some for you. What size do the images need to be? pixel x pixel size!
08-20-2009, 03:30 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by mrbigreddog

I'll make some for you. What size do the images need to be? pixel x pixel size!

64x64 256 color. The "fun" part is making sure you use the Wolf3D palette.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4714/wolf3dpalette.jpg

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Nah, the game's supposed to have no ceiling/floor textures! Not even the Jaguar version has them.

The code for a textured floor and ceiling have been in place since the original port to C, it's just always been disabled. I enabled it on a test build to check how it worked on the 32X, and if it slowed things any... it works fine (other than needing some good floor/ceiling textures), and doesn't slow things noticeably. I'm not sure why other ports haven't ever used the floor/ceiling rendering - other than that's not how the original looks.
08-20-2009, 08:25 PM
Chaotix

Maybe you should put an switch in the options menu for texture enable/disable?
08-20-2009, 09:37 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

Maybe you should put an switch in the options menu for texture enable/disable?

If I get some decent textures, that's the plan. It would be real easy to make it switchable. I'll default it to off so it comes up in the mode people expect, but folks can turn it on if they want rendered floors and ceilings.
08-21-2009, 01:16 AM
T2KFreeker

Coolness man. What else are you planning? Textures on the floors and ceilings would be awesome and very different for sure. Custom stuff would be really cool too!
08-21-2009, 01:42 AM
Chilly Willy

There will be an improvement in the synth sound effects. I'm still working on the music.
08-21-2009, 01:52 AM
kool kitty89

The only problem with SFX that I noticed is with the sound made when picking up ammo (doesn't sound like a sampled version of the PC sound, more like a buzzer)
08-21-2009, 01:23 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

The only problem with SFX that I noticed is with the sound made when picking up ammo (doesn't sound like a sampled version of the PC sound, more like a buzzer)

The FM synthesis for the PC still isn't very accurate, no matter what the MAME guys may say. :D

I've got someone making recordings from the actual chip for me. By taking a high quality 44kHz/16-bit sample and compressing it, I get better sounds that take less space than the current sounds being used. It's partly why I was doing all those compression tests.
08-21-2009, 01:33 PM
matteus

It's coming along nicely then :) great to hear!

I hope the 32x CD Video Player is still in the works thats what I'm looking forward to most! lol
08-21-2009, 03:19 PM
T2KFreeker

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

The FM synthesis for the PC still isn't very accurate, no matter what the MAME guys may say. :D

I've got someone making recordings from the actual chip for me. By taking a high quality 44kHz/16-bit sample and compressing it, I get better sounds that take less space than the current sounds being used. It's partly why I was doing all those compression tests.

What are the possibilities of the CD file being in a burnable cdi right out the gate? Actually CW, do you mind if I drop you a PM so we can talk?
08-22-2009, 04:18 AM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by T2KFreeker

What are the possibilities of the CD file being in a burnable cdi right out the gate? Actually CW, do you mind if I drop you a PM so we can talk?

No problem - I don't mind answering questions. When I get the CD stuff working, I'll have an image for the shareware, and include tools to make a disc for the full version from your own full version files.

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Originally Posted by matteus

I hope the 32x CD Video Player is still in the works thats what I'm looking forward to most! lol

Yes, I've been putting some time into that as well. My current thought is that while the SH2 can't handle DCT (not fast enough to make it worthwhile at least), it CAN handle FWT (Fast Walsh Transform - also called the Hadamard Transform). So my idea is one SH2 is doing the equivalent of MotionJPEG, but with FWT instead of DCT, while the other SH2 does deblocking to make it look better.
08-22-2009, 01:17 PM
mrbigreddog

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Yes, I've been putting some time into that as well. My current thought is that while the SH2 can't handle DCT (not fast enough to make it worthwhile at least), it CAN handle FWT (Fast Walsh Transform - also called the Hadamard Transform). So my idea is one SH2 is doing the equivalent of MotionJPEG, but with FWT instead of DCT, while the other SH2 does deblocking to make it look better.

Is the 32x Video Player based off my suggestion for the DIVX VCD Player thread?!
08-22-2009, 02:56 PM
Chaotix

This is a really crazy idea, but I'm just going to bring it up anyways...
Would it be possible to implement the MegaModem for multiplayer gaming in Wolf32x?
That would be sweet! It would kinda be like the Saturn's modem then.

Hehe. This game will start to take advantage of all of Sega's add-ons. XDD

EDIT: Wait...does Wolf even have 2 player over dial-up? I never played the PC version... XDD

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