16-bits fanboyim/hateboyism is a weird thing
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16-bits fanboyim/hateboyism is a weird thing
In an ideal world, people would stop comparing 30-year-old consoles and games and just enjoy them all. But it's interesting to see how people, in general, seem to feel the need to take a side and argue why their side is better than the other side.
This is what I don't understand. All these old consoles are what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gryson
Anyone who approaches an old console and has some expectations that are somehow let down, only has themselves to blame.
Not long ago I got into the Super Cassette Vision. Now there is a fairly primitive console. Yet, expecting to play fairly primitive games I have a lot of fun with it.
Just like with PC-Engine I can play Galaga '88 any day of the week and have as much enjoyment as with any game you could possibly show me.
Yet we all did it in grade school and still do it. The only thing that really bothers me is if folks let this get in the way of experiencing the other 16-bit consoles, which very well seems like it happens a lot. That and just blindly tossing hate words around with nothing else to add to a discussion is just dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vludi
Even though I considered $5 a fortune as a kid, I somehow managed to get a Genesis and a Super NES at the same time, though the former was used. Borrowed a TG16 & CD add-on, as well as a 3DO for a bit, and found them to be nifty, so I never developed into a brandwhore. Hate Nintendo to death right now, though, and I will not likely ever buy any of their products again, unless it's used, and to do the local game shop a solid.
my only knock on the hardware is capacitors for the US ones, and how finnicky the drive is on my Duo-R
the library's fantastic though
Always saw and see the PC Eng as a lesser Mega Drive myself. The Mega Drive was better for me in all the main area's of the PC Eng (like shooters ect) also the Mega CD was way better than the PC-Eng CdRom. But I will always give credit to PC-Eng and NEC for pushing the boat out with tech spec's and leading the way. To have a CD Add-on way back in 1988 is just frankly crazy and so far ahead of its time its silly. Back in 1988 most people didn't know what CD-ROMs were
Here's my take on this - PC-Engine's main appeal was the CD-addon, but many of the Hu-card games are pretty good as well. The problem with this console is that many of the best games only came out in Japan, especially PCE-CD games (pretty much the same as with SNES). Unfortunately, it's not a particularly easy format to work with in terms of translation patches, although Sega-CD is supposedly even more finicky. So, all things considered, many of the best games are unfortunately inaccessible to westerners, whereas this isn't as much of an issue with MD - although there are still a few good Japan exclusives left up for grabs.
I'm not sure about any of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by cccmar
Yes many of the best games only came out in Japan, but mail order for PC-Engine was common back in the 90's, and internet ordering opened accessibility to nearly everyone anywhere. Not to mention it is pretty darn easy to burn a CD-R and play whatever you'd like.
Or are you only referring to RPGs?
Played quite a bit of Turbografx & PCE-CD back in the day, and I do have fond memories of a few games for the system.
In most cases, the games hold up quite well against the Mega Drive/Genesis and Vice Versa. The issue comes from the idiotic & modular design of the console. 1 controller port? RF only as standard? WTH were they thinking when they released it in the US. By the time that you bought all needed accessories to make it anywhere near competitive, you'd have no money for games. Also, why was it so much bigger than the JP PC Engine?
True, you can potentially burn a CD-R, but hacking a CD-R game with the intention of translating it (as opposed to Hu-Card games or cartridges) is a completely different ball of wax, as evidenced by almost no PCE-CD/Mega-CD fantranslations. The same pertains to Playstation, for which there is a gigantic number of Japan-only games. Then again, it also depends on which genres you like the most. I personally like PCE shooters more than the ones for MD, but MD action titles are miles better IMO than pretty much anything in that genre on PCE - although I did enjoy my playthrough of Blood Gear immensely. Comparing RPGs, it's actually almost a tie to me more or less, with a slight edge for MD perhaps (Sega-CD version of Shin Megami Tensei is probably the best there is). For strategy games... it's really hard again, though I'd say my fav in this category would be PCE-CD Macross Eternal Love Song. There's a lot to say about this, and this whole topic is dependent upon whether you know Japanese or not. :) I would say that MD game selection was still better, but I do have great memories of quite a few PCE games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Talmit
I was about to lock this thread and dump it but I'm happy to see some real conversation going here now. Carry on gentlemen.~
Yes but its still better to be able to play games in English, many Mega CD games also suffered by being import only either in the USA or Japan too. I mean in the UK we never got the Lunars, missed on the likes of the Wing Commander port.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Talmit
In the UK the PC-Eng sparked the age of the importer and import shops started appearing everywhere. I like the system, but always felt the Mega Drive was better, it had better gfx, better sound and its shooters were better and to me it was a no contest when it came to the Mega CD Vs CRom2
Having some Japanese text does not equate to "being inaccessible" as was stated in the post I responded to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
I can't think of one single PC-Engine game I wished to play that I was not able to play and enjoy because of it not being released in the West.
Outside of the 1990's, does anyone care if the Mega Drive has possibly better gfx or sound? I can't imagine why it should be a competition - the advertising and bragging rights died decades ago.
Ah, but old habits die hard. Sometimes twenty five plus years isn't enough. XD
In all honesty though, I'd love to have all the sixteen bit era greats in my room: I've got the Genesis and SNES, I just need the TG-16 (I know, not really a 16-bit system but it's in the same era), Neo-Geo, Capcom CPS-1/2, Irem M91, maybe a few Seibu Kaihatsu arcade cabinets...