Nah the MD port runs at 30 fps, pce wins by default, I like the controls better on PCE too and the colors are a bit nicer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
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Nah the MD port runs at 30 fps, pce wins by default, I like the controls better on PCE too and the colors are a bit nicer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
And it is compatible with the XE-1 AP analog controller. Can't forget that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vludi
That's ok and agreed on colour but with the MD rubbish pallet, it's not hard to make a game with more colour , but one of my other main issues of the PC Eng was the 2 button pad. I felt AB II was better on the Mega Drive myself, Outrun was better on the PC Eng thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Vludi
That was for the Mega Drive ;). I don't think the Power Console ever made it out of the PC Eng Super Graff which was a shame given how advanced it would have been back in the dayQuote:
And it is compatible with the XE-1 AP analog controller
Yeah I was a little annoyed with that stupid thread title. Mod Abuse in action!Quote:
Originally Posted by Metalwario64
The PC Engine versions of Afterburner II, Out Run, Forgotten Worlds and others support the Sharp Cyber Stick and its look a like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
The original Genesis and PC Engine pads have the same number of buttons. If you prefer a layout like the original Genesis pad, you can use one of the PCE pads with that same layout.
Not a fan of that, much the same reason why I hate the standard DC pad layout and its rubbish pad - Sure you can buy additional controllers with better layouts, but as a rule, I'm not a fan of buying pads to sort out an issue with the standard pad that shouldn't be there in the 1st place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
Never knew the Sharp Cyberstick worked on the PC Eng, but at the end of the day I liked AB II more on the MD, it was Outrun, that was for me way better on the PC-Eng but both we suffering handling the port. Tbh I much rathered to play Batman Returns or Jaguar XJ220 myself - Better gfx, real hardware scailing, better games and far better music.
Where NEC really out did SEGA was with the GT and it totally out did SEGA's Gamegear. I loved my GT and still remember being amazing at playing Tiger Helli and Jackie Chan on the move and that screen was out of this world, but in the home.. I was always more for the MD than the PC-Eng and was never impressed with the CD-Rom2 (mind you I loved Splash lake on the system) . Not trolling btw just heart felt views
Regarding the XE-1 AP. The XE-1 AP was a general controller made to be used on a number of platforms, PC-Engine included. It requires the XHE-3 adapter to translate the plug and Run and Select buttons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
There are 6 known PC-Engine games which offer analog control.
After Burner II, Thunder Blade, Out Run, Operation Wolf, Forgotten Worlds, and Space Fantasy Zone.
Yeah. Use of the Cyberstick/XE-1AP is much easier on the MD. The XE-1AP natively supports the MegaDrive, the Cyberstick can be used with a simple pin converter.
Not sure what you mean by "easier".Quote:
Originally Posted by xelement5x
If you mean the need for an adapter that isn't an issue of "difficult", maybe convenience, but there is nothing not-easy. And as you note the Cyber Stick needs an adapter also, so I'm even more confused what you mean by easier.
In fact, a few of the analog games on the Mega Drive aren't exactly intuitive. iirc, Super Monaco GP II has the steering and throttle reversed from what would be intuitive. On MCD, for Night Striker (or is it Starblade?), you have to have the controller plugged into port 2, and there are some other non-intuitive issues with analog games on Mega Drive which could arguably make analog on Mega Drive "less-easy" than on PC-Engine.
There is nothing difficult or "less-easy" about playing the analog games on the PC-Engine.
So we now need to listing peripherals that can be used on either system ? And how many people played AB II with the Cyberstick on their PC-Eng for real back inthe day ?. I think, even in Japan the number would be tiny. I owned both systems and maybe it because a got a PC Eng after owning a Mega Drive for a couple of years, but it didn't hit with me and always thought the Mega Drive was better and the better system for shooters.
In these types of discussions you always insist that the opinions of others aren't worth as much as your own, because they "can't afford" to own expensive and often obscure games and hardware that you claim to possess and somehow, a photo of a Wondermega in your bedroom is all we need to know about the Sega Saturn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
Yet you now have the opposite stance when you're the one not 133t enough to own the items being discussed?
Analog control can improve a game, but it's all about how it's implemented. The Cyber Stick was designed specifically to provide the arcade controls of Aferburner at home and Afterburner III for PC Engine was programmed to specifically use it. I don't know if some modern console has an accessory with Afterburner style controls as well as a good port of the game, but chances are the PCE version provides the best Afterburner experience on consoles.
I mean easier in the sense of getting the hardware to work on something besides the X68K.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Talmit
All the PCE games that support the analog controllers require the X-HE3 adapter which is not cheap to locate anymore.
To get either device to work on the MD you need nothing for the XE-1AP (since there's already a switch on the controller), and to get the Cyberstick to work on the MD just requires a passthrough converter for the pinout (which is trivial to make with a couple male/female DB9 ports).
From real? and you talk of the Cyberstick, which cost quite a lot back in the day and was more prob more elite and rare than a Wondermega for people in the West. And tbh I would never make fun of or have issues with a PC-Eng fan that bought the Duo Monitor an LT, or any Saturn fan that was lucky enough to have a Saturn Nav unit. If you're a fan of the systems and get the best versions, good for you.Quote:
In these types of discussions you always insist that the opinions of others aren't worth as much as your own, because they "can't afford" to own expensive and often obscure games and hardwar
Overlooking the childish dig. My import Saturn, my Neo Geo , hell even my XBox One cost way more than the Wondermega (which only cost me £280 back inthe day) and I'll hardly make out, that anyone with a Neo Geo or Saturn grey launch console, much less a Xbox One owner were/are Elite
Yes I understand that and you don't need an expesive add on to know that. The Saturn 3D pad shows the difference quite. I really don't know why you're being nasty and hostile. I'm only saying I thought the MD was better is that a crime ? , its not even like I said the NEC PC-Eng was rubbish or had no good gamesQuote:
Analog control can improve a game, but it's all about how it's implemented
Yes most will never know, as most will have never played AB II on the PC Eng or Mega Drive using the analog controllers. I doubt many Saturn owners have ever played AB II with the mission stick either. So it comes downs to which version is the best on the standard controllers on the base systemQuote:
but chances are the PCE version provides the best Afterburner experience on consoles.
Only if you think this is some kind of pissing contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Andromeda
What it comes down to, for most rational gamers in the year 2017, is do you want to check out how Afterburner II plays on a PC-Engine, then go for it. Do you want to check out how Afterburner II plays in a Genesis, then go for it. Do you want to check out how Afterburner plays on a Sega Saturn, then go for it. Do you like playing games, do you appreciate what programmers have done with their available resources? I don't know what else someone would be doing playing retro games? If you want to play "THE BEST" version of something, then get an arcade cabinet or emulate it.
Whooptie-doo that you think the Mega Drive is better for shooters. Man, Undead Line is one bad-assed game! Wow, Galaga '88 is super fun! Gee, MUSHA is pretty cool. Golly, Gunhed is sick. Fantastic, Salamander is really cool to play! Thunder Force IV is great. Star Parodier is so fun.... Wait which is the better? I'm so confused.
Man, this thread is starting to suck as bad as a PAL Turbografx 16.