Developers with Genesis Allegiances!

It seems to me that a lot of the companies out there seemed to practice a bit of favouritism during the 16-bit era, with companies like Konami and especially Capcom and Squaresoft always giving priority to the SNES and Nintendo systems in general, so who were rooting in Sega's corner?

Off the top of my head -

Definately Treasure as they never seemed to make any games for other systems and openly trash talked the SNES :D

Virgin Interactive seemed to make their games on Mega Drive first and port later, also Dave Perry who was one of their major coders openly admitted to being a Sega fanboy on many occasions

Namco seemed to bring many of their highest profile games to the Mega Drive as exclusives (which was strange seeing as most of the Japanese devs seemed to be in Nintendo's corner, maybe this was due to Nintendo's censoring policies?) with the Rolling Thunder 2 port (and III being made specifically for the Mega Drive), Splatterhouse series, Marvel Land

EA seemed to put most of their effort into the Mega Drive with all the better versions of sports games as well as producing loads of European ports of Amiga software.

Technosoft - a bunch of high quality exclusives such as Thunder Force IV, Herzog Zwei, Elemental Master

On the Fence

I think Taito were pretty fair with their 16-bit output, it's just a shame they didn't bring some of their RPG's to the Genesis (though I think I heard somewhere that a Genesis version of Lufia was planned at one stage)

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Originally Posted by jesus.arnold

EA seemed to put most of their effort into the Mega Drive with all the better versions of sports games as well as producing loads of European ports of Amiga software.

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This made EA's betrayal of Sega during the dreamcast years that much harder to stomach. I would say EA wouldnt be the powerhouse they are today had it not been for the Genesis. When you think about 16 bit sports era, where Madden and NBA Live got their console starts, you think of the Genesis. Not the SNES. The Genesis. It was criminal how EA betrayed Sega and the Dreamcast. Not to mention, its fans.

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Originally Posted by runback22

This made EA's betrayal of Sega during the dreamcast years that much harder to stomach. I would say EA wouldnt be the powerhouse they are today had it not been for the Genesis. When you think about 16 bit sports era, where Madden and NBA Live got their console starts, you think of the Genesis. Not the SNES. The Genesis. It was criminal how EA betrayed Sega and the Dreamcast. Not to mention, its fans.

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Yeah they really did screw them with the Dreamcast, I think EA had basically just lost all their faith in Sega after the Saturn mess, still didn't change the fact that they were full of sh#t though as EA said if the Dreamcast sold over a certain amount they'd start making games for it, and when the console reached the amount they still didn't bother. I've heard that EA lost millions from not supporting the Dreamcast that 1st christmas, how retarded is that :mad:

Vic Tokai I know was one of the first Genesis developers from the NES.

Did Toaplan have a Genesis allegiance?

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Originally Posted by jesus.arnold

It seems to me that a lot of the companies out there seemed to practice a bit of favouritism during the 16-bit era, with companies like Konami and especially Capcom and Squaresoft always giving priority to the SNES and Nintendo systems in general, so who were rooting in Sega's corner?

Off the top of my head -

Definately Treasure as they never seemed to make any games for other systems and openly trash talked the SNES :D

Virgin Interactive seemed to make their games on Mega Drive first and port later, also Dave Perry who was one of their major coders openly admitted to being a Sega fanboy on many occasions

Namco seemed to bring many of their highest profile games to the Mega Drive as exclusives (which was strange seeing as most of the Japanese devs seemed to be in Nintendo's corner, maybe this was due to Nintendo's censoring policies?) with the Rolling Thunder 2 port (and III being made specifically for the Mega Drive), Splatterhouse series, Marvel Land

EA seemed to put most of their effort into the Mega Drive with all the better versions of sports games as well as producing loads of European ports of Amiga software.

Technosoft - a bunch of high quality exclusives such as Thunder Force IV, Herzog Zwei, Elemental Master

On the Fence

I think Taito were pretty fair with their 16-bit output, it's just a shame they didn't bring some of their RPG's to the Genesis (though I think I heard somewhere that a Genesis version of Lufia was planned at one stage)

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Square was basically a second party they made 1 MD game.

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Originally Posted by runback22

This made EA's betrayal of Sega during the dreamcast years that much harder to stomach. I would say EA wouldnt be the powerhouse they are today had it not been for the Genesis. When you think about 16 bit sports era, where Madden and NBA Live got their console starts, you think of the Genesis. Not the SNES. The Genesis. It was criminal how EA betrayed Sega and the Dreamcast. Not to mention, its fans.

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Not quite the same but reminds met a little of Psygnosis and Amiga, Psygnosis made the Amiga succesful and most of their stuff really made the best of the hardware, but when they were bought by SONY the platform was dumped alltogether (somewhere in '94, same time EA also abandoned the Amiga by the way) to concentrate more on 'other platforms' :/

OT: How about Novotrade and Tengen?

Tengen didnt discriminate at all.

Disney's Aladdin was great on Genesis and the SNES version left some lacking.

Also, Accolade had Zero Tolerance on the Genesis, not sure what they had on the SNES.

Universal Soldier looks like it would play like Metroid..?

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Square was basically a second party they made 1 MD game.

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Which game?

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Tengen didnt discriminate at all.

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They did do Sega a solid by porting several of their arcade titles to the NES. And one thing is certain, Tengen hated Nintendo's licensing policies.

I love that Treasure didn't make any games for the Super Nintendo. Yes I am a Sega fanboy and I'm ok with that. I have not found one single SNES game that entertains me even half as much as Gunstar Heroes, the Super Nintendo kids can keep their RPGs as far as I'm concerned.

Just for the record: Square made a Mega Drive game? I have never heard of this and that's a bit hard to swallow. I thought Square was a second party to Nintendo during the SNES/Super Famicom days.

Telenet / Wolf Team definitely favored Sega over Nintendo, although they also did a lot for PC Engine. Same goes for Falcom. Psygnosis was definitely more Sega-oriented. I don't think Game Arts did anything for SNES.

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Originally Posted by Iron Lizard

Which game?

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Bahamut Bahant Senki

then the SFC got Bahamut Lagoon a few years later.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Vic Tokai I know was one of the first Genesis developers from the NES.

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They seem to have made a good few SNES games too so I'd say they were neutral

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Did Toaplan have a Genesis allegiance?

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Well, according to Mobygames they made 10 Mega Drive games, a handful of PC Engine game and no SNES games at all so i'd say so :)

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Originally Posted by Cornugon

Not quite the same but reminds met a little of Psygnosis and Amiga, Psygnosis made the Amiga succesful and most of their stuff really made the best of the hardware, but when they were bought by SONY the platform was dumped alltogether (somewhere in '94, same time EA also abandoned the Amiga by the way) to concentrate more on 'other platforms' :/

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I don't blame them, the Amiga had no future, the hardware was becoming out of date and Commodore had no plans to release a decent successor. The only people responsible for the end of Amiga, were Commodore.

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Originally Posted by Cornugon

How about Novotrade and Tengen?

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Yeah Novotrade made more Mega Drive games, though they didn't really make that many games anyway.

Tengen seem to be well and truly in Sega's corner if their game releases are anything to go by, it looks like they pretty much went from being NES developers to Mega Drive.

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Originally Posted by j_factor

Telenet / Wolf Team definitely favored Sega over Nintendo, although they also did a lot for PC Engine. Same goes for Falcom. Psygnosis was definitely more Sega-oriented. I don't think Game Arts did anything for SNES.

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Wolf Team in particular seemed to be making games primarily for MD, whilst Telenet as a whole seemed split between Mega Drive and PC Engine.

I'm not sure how much Psygnosis was backing Sega as they were definately Amiga orientated for the most part, I think a lot of their releases were due to it being simple to port games from Amiga to Mega Drive (coupled with the strong Sega presence in Europe), I guess the easiest way to tell is to look at how many original Mega Drive games they made

Who actualy were the biggest US video game companies during the 16-bit era? Acclaim seem neutral, Accolade made a few more MD games than SNES, Bluesky seemed to only make games for MD too.

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Originally Posted by jerry coeurl

I love that Treasure didn't make any games for the Super Nintendo. Yes I am a Sega fanboy and I'm ok with that. I have not found one single SNES game that entertains me even half as much as Gunstar Heroes, the Super Nintendo kids can keep their RPGs as far as I'm concerned.

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^ This......Screw the snes and Nintendo in general. I really hate what Nintendo has done to gaming and I cant stand the Wii. I was looking back on the SNES library and there wasnt 1 game that I felt that I had to play. I cant stand Mario games. The NES version is the only one I truly enjoyed. I truly wish the roles were reversed and Sega was still in the hardware business while Nintendo went software only. The gaming world would be a much better place had that happened...... :Panda:

I find it funny that I can go back after nearly 20 years and spend hours with these genesis games yet the Wii couldnt hold my interest for more than 20 minutes. Genesis still does what Nintendon't.

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Bahamut Bahant Senki

then the SFC got Bahamut Lagoon a few years later.

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I think it's just a rumour Square did Bahamut Senki. There is nothing that credits them for doing it, no logo or copyright or anything on the box or title screen. I don't think the fact that it has a similar name and same genre as Lagoon is enough of evidence.

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

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Originally Posted by Iron Lizard

Which game?

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Bahamut Bahant Senki

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Let's stick with that we have for now.

The title screen (and boxart) says Sega developed it:
http://ui14.gamefaqs.com/717/gfs_86071_1_1.jpg

As does Sega itself: http://vc.sega.jp/vc_bahamut/

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Tengen definitely was in Sega's corner. They even ported some Sega games to the NES, like After Burner, Shinobi, Alien Syndrome, and Fantasy Zone.

I couldn't read any info on that official Sega page, but now I know one thing:

Death Adder is jewish.

http://vc.sega.jp/vc_bahamut/chara7.jpg

Seems someone confused a David Star with a Pentagram.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Seems someone confused a David Star with a Pentagram.

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Yes, that would be you, because that is indeed the Star of David in that picture. A pentagram is a 5-pointed star, the one in the picture is clearly six.

http://www.flyingchariotministries.c..._David_svg.png

My wording wasn't correct I guess: Someone [at Sega] meant to put a Pentagram but ended up using a David Star. Confused a Pentagram with a David Star ?

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Originally Posted by Google Translation

Klimt
Great Satan

Tribe king of the old demons that exist in most continents. Using the powerful force of darkness, and once succeeded in dominating the continent, the royal hero Sir Ballmer FORIA and was buried. But now, Klimt and蘇RU also the power of the dark continent, began to slaughter the evil ambition of revived from the bottom like a ghost land. One theory holds that the forces of darkness Klimt is sure to be said also to have the same origin.

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Jokes aside, the hexagram was used by other than jews, perhaps by Satanic people. It was used in Devil Crash, probably as an occultic symbol. But it would indeed fit more with a pentagram in this case.

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

Jokes aside, the hexagram was used by other than jews, perhaps by Satanic people. It was used in Devil Crash, probably as an occultic symbol. But it would indeed fit more with a pentagram in this case.

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I thought it was changed to a 6 pointed star for censorship reason. The Japanese PCE version has a 5 pointed star IIRC.

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Originally Posted by runback22

^ This......Screw the snes and Nintendo in general. I really hate what Nintendo has done to gaming and I cant stand the Wii. I was looking back on the SNES library and there wasnt 1 game that I felt that I had to play. I cant stand Mario games. The NES version is the only one I truly enjoyed. I truly wish the roles were reversed and Sega was still in the hardware business while Nintendo went software only. The gaming world would be a much better place had that happened......

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Soooo... you wished Sega had come out with the Wii instead of Nintendo? :p As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo hasn't been successful in the home console market since the SNES (handhelds aside of course). Is that not punishment enough?

What does it require of company to be considered in allegiance with the Genesis? IIRC, Wolfteam made 1 or 2 SFC games. Even Square made Final Fantasy 1 for the MSX. But the trend tends to be for developers that primarily develop for the Genesis/MD, is that they come from a 68k system backgrounds. Be it Amiga/ST from EU (which a lot of US companies were in fact just EU guys) and X68000 from JP (very true for Technosoft and Wolfteam).

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

I thought it was changed to a 6 pointed star for censorship reason. The Japanese PCE version has a 5 pointed star IIRC.

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Yes, Dragon's Fury (the western version) has it censored, but not Devil Crash MD (the Japanese version). Which is why I have the JP version, I'm not gonna have some religious morons ruin my games.

Those stars have always been a point of controversy in many things actually, take Yugioh cards for example. All Japanese cards with the Star of David in the artwork (which was a LOT of Spellcaster cards) were changed to ten-pointed stars when they were brought to America. It seems The five-pointed ones and Star of David people don't really like around it seems, but Japan seems to like them for some reason.

The same goes for the swastika which has a completely different meaning in Japan and is not taboo there (although it is usually turned the other way around there, like the third (IIRC) labyrinth of the first Zelda game).

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

The same goes for the swastika which has a completely different meaning in Japan and is not taboo there (although it is usually turned the other way around there, like the third (IIRC) labyrinth of the first Zelda game).

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Yeah, the Swastika reversed in Buddhism means Peace. The Nazis took it reversed it and turned it into basically the opposite, and it pretty much ruined the Buddhism symbol.

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Originally Posted by jesus.arnold

I don't blame them, the Amiga had no future, the hardware was becoming out of date and Commodore had no plans to release a decent successor. The only people responsible for the end of Amiga, were Commodore.

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Well they were planning a decent successor (the AAA-chipset with fast chunky2planar, VRAM and finally updated sound among other things) but since they were slow in the research department because they spent their money on the wrong things (Commodore PC's, CDTV, CD32, Amiga 600; i.e. the AA-chipset probably came around relatively late and underpowered because of the slowness), they went bust just having finished a working prototype.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Yeah, the Swastika reversed in Buddhism means Peace. The Nazis took it reversed it and turned it into basically the opposite, and it pretty much ruined the Buddhism symbol.

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It seems a lot of old cultures all over the world used the swastika with probably the same meaning as the buddhists, like india...eerhh native americans. But also Mayans, Hinduists, Romans, etc.

Coca-Cola also used it. And they had cocaine in it early on.

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

I thought it was changed to a 6 pointed star for censorship reason. The Japanese PCE version has a 5 pointed star IIRC.

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The Japanese PCE version of Devil Crash has both pentagrams and 6-sided stars in it:

http://bayimg.com/image/badpkaaca.jpg

That big pentagram was changed to an 8-pointed star in the US TG16 version, but the little red stars remained 6-pointed. In the US Genesis version, the 6-pointed red stars were changed to 5-pointed (but non-pentagram) stars.

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Originally Posted by jerry coeurl

I love that Treasure didn't make any games for the Super Nintendo. Yes I am a Sega fanboy and I'm ok with that. I have not found one single SNES game that entertains me even half as much as Gunstar Heroes, the Super Nintendo kids can keep their RPGs as far as I'm concerned.
Just for the record: Square made a Mega Drive game? I have never heard of this and that's a bit hard to swallow. I thought Square was a second party to Nintendo during the SNES/Super Famicom days.

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I was a SNES kid and I hated RPGs.

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

I think it's just a rumour Square did Bahamut Senki. There is nothing that credits them for doing it, no logo or copyright or anything on the box or title screen. I don't think the fact that it has a similar name and same genre as Lagoon is enough of evidence.

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It could be possible that developers from Sega that moved to Square did it. I've been doing some research in regard to the ending credit's but nothing has surfaced really.

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

Which is why I have the JP version, I'm not gonna have some religious morons ruin my games.

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Amen to that :D

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

Yes, Dragon's Fury (the western version) has it censored, but not Devil Crash MD (the Japanese version). Which is why I have the JP version, I'm not gonna have some religious morons ruin my games.

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Actually they don't have anything to do with that. A ton of Japanese games have biblical references in them but they are almost always removed. The Bible would become a random book. I think the FF series had a ton of biblical references in them or some game made by Square. And who can forget Sillouette Mirage. How alot of the characters were biblical names then WD of all companies changed them. Which is ironic because they fought tooth and nail for the names on MKR lol.

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Which is ironic because they fought tooth and nail for the names on MKR lol.

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That's debatable. They fought tooth and nail for names but, if my recollections of usenet from back in the day are correct, it may not have been the original names they were fighting for.

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

What does it require of company to be considered in allegiance with the Genesis? IIRC, Wolfteam made 1 or 2 SFC games.

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Yeah, about 2 or 3 SNES games (one of which was a very late port of Arcus Odyssey if mobygames is correct) whilst they made something like 7 games for MD and a further 7 odd for the Mega CD

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

But the trend tends to be for developers that primarily develop for the Genesis/MD, is that they come from a 68k system backgrounds. Be it Amiga/ST from EU (which a lot of US companies were in fact just EU guys) and X68000 from JP (very true for Technosoft and Wolfteam).

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Yeah, but wouldn't most developers have come from a 68k background anyway? How many of the companies backing SNES had a "Ricoh 5A22" background?

It's pretty interesting looking at the reasons why some of the companies backed MD.

I'm sure you're probably right that a large part of them simply didn't feel up to learning how to program on a different hardware and wanted to stick with what they knew.

knowing the way that Japanese companies get into feuds and such I'd imagine that some of the people who backed Sega simply hated Nintendo for one reason or another (their business practices were pretty controlling, which can get people's backs up)

Some companies may have had games which were deemed unsuitable by Nintendo, Splatterhouse for instance would never have been allowed release on SNES, also I've heard that during the SNES era they had a problem with "humans shooting other humans in a realistic setting" but I'm not sure to what level that rule was upheld, this may have even affected Rolling Thunder for instance.

For most European companies it was only logical to move to the Amiga and Atari ST during the 16-bit era as home computers were the dominant games machines here, and the Amiga was a good springboard to the Mega Drive, not to mention the fact that the SNES was pretty weak in the UK market anyway and Sega were always very popular here.

I'd also like to know which game Squaresoft made for the Mega Drive.

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Originally Posted by jerry coeurl

I love that Treasure didn't make any games for the Super Nintendo. Yes I am a Sega fanboy and I'm ok with that. I have not found one single SNES game that entertains me even half as much as Gunstar Heroes, the Super Nintendo kids can keep their RPGs as far as I'm concerned.

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Hey, the SNES was a great console! I can understand kids in the 90s being SEGA or Nintendo fanboys, but still doing it now in 2009 when we're all grown men? That's lame. My Mega Drive holds more nostalgia for me (I didn't have a SNES back in the day), but realistically both consoles were really awesome. The SNES has a whole host of spectacular games, and not just RPGs. And what's your beef with RPGs? Is Chrono Trigger not a killer game? I love my SNES and Mega Drive equally!

RPGs are boring. I liked them when I was younger but now it's like, if I want to read something I'll just pick up a book. With very few exceptions the stories are just really juvenile. I like it when games feature as little story as possible. "You have to save a princess," or, "the bad guys killed your daddy, get REVENGE son," is all the impetus I need.

I also happen to think that Chrono Trigger is one of the most overrated games of all time. Same for Final Fantasy VI. The only reason I brought up RPGs specifically is that whenever I see a "Genesis VS. SNES" feature on the web, the comment section is littered with stuff like, "Teh GENESIS sux it doesnt have any RPGs! The SNES was king Chono Triiger, Final Fantsay, need I go on!"

I don't actually hate the SNES, I just don't own one and it doesn't really have as many games that appeal to me.