NEO Myth MD 3in1 flash cartridge

As to their pricing of this device, this company sells their DS flash cards for $50. You can get the far superior Acekard 2.1 for about $10 online at various stores. But, as with the Retro USB PowerPak, no competition means they can charge whatever they want.

I'm actually surprised we haven't seen a flood of flash carts for older systems. You'd think all the companies making clone systems would want to tap into the market for games since they're making and selling systems with no current market support.

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Originally Posted by Diosoth

As to their pricing of this device, this company sells their DS flash cards for $50. You can get the far superior Acekard 2.1 for about $10 online at various stores. But, as with the Retro USB PowerPak, no competition means they can charge whatever they want.

I'm actually surprised we haven't seen a flood of flash carts for older systems. You'd think all the companies making clone systems would want to tap into the market for games since they're making and selling systems with no current market support.

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its probably because its such a specialized device and there is such a limited market. When you spend alot of time on retro forums you tend to think there is a huge market for this stuff, but the reality is retro games are super cheap and emulation is free so there just aren't many people that want that tenth of a percent better accuracy by playing them on real hardware through a flashcart. People either want the simplicity and authenticity of playing the real game on the real hardware or the convenience and price (free) of emulating it.

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Originally Posted by Diosoth

I'm actually surprised we haven't seen a flood of flash carts for older systems. You'd think all the companies making clone systems would want to tap into the market for games since they're making and selling systems with no current market support.

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The clone systems are aimed at non-technical nostalgic people with enough disposable income to spend 20-40 bucks on a "cool toy."

Flash carts for that same crowd would require a reasonable to use shell with a graphical front end, or decent firmware to handle them on a file system able to work with the hardware.

"Effort."

Then there's the ability to get roms, it's closeness with readily available emulation software which would no doubt kill physical product interest.

You're putting too much faith in the idea that these clone systems are anything more than a small-time setup, inked between a few different fab shops in asia. (and still one of their OEMs happened to get an 'official license' whored out to them...ugh)

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

You're putting too much faith in the idea that these clone systems are anything more than a small-time setup, inked between a few different fab shops in asia. (and still one of their OEMs happened to get an 'official license' whored out to them...ugh)

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Hey, like 17days mentioned in another thread: Yobo's recent FC3 Plus clone is far superior to the officially licensed AtGames crap or even Sega's model 2 or model 3 variants (aside of the missing RGB).

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

The clone systems are aimed at non-technical nostalgic people with enough disposable income to spend 20-40 bucks on a "cool toy."

Flash carts for that same crowd would require a reasonable to use shell with a graphical front end, or decent firmware to handle them on a file system able to work with the hardware.

"Effort."

Then there's the ability to get roms, it's closeness with readily available emulation software which would no doubt kill physical product interest.

You're putting too much faith in the idea that these clone systems are anything more than a small-time setup, inked between a few different fab shops in asia. (and still one of their OEMs happened to get an 'official license' whored out to them...ugh)

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It wouldn't be harder to make than the GBA flash carts. I own an EZ-Flash IV. it's not of the "drag and drop" level of ease as DS cards, but it' snot hard to use.

I doubt the companies would care about 100% compatibility anyway. Not even the GBA carts have that, what with no real time clock(Pokemon) or light sensor(Boktai).

Besides, if emulation was really a factor, these clones wouldn't sell as well as they do.

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Originally Posted by Diosoth

It wouldn't be harder to make than the GBA flash carts. I own an EZ-Flash IV. it's not of the "drag and drop" level of ease as DS cards, but it' snot hard to use.

I doubt the companies would care about 100% compatibility anyway. Not even the GBA carts have that, what with no real time clock(Pokemon) or light sensor(Boktai).

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You completely missed the point.
It would 'cost something', and serve as a potential conflict of interest.

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Originally Posted by Diosoth

Besides, if emulation was really a factor, these clones wouldn't sell as well as they do.

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Which is why introducing people to ROMs is a bad idea.

Are you for real?

You basically disagreed with me here, told us your opinion on GBA flashcards, then told me essentially 'What I Said' as if it was a point, other than an oxymoron towards your original statement:

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Originally Posted by Diosoth

I'm actually surprised we haven't seen a flood of flash carts for older systems. You'd think all the companies making clone systems would want to tap into the market for games since they're making and selling systems with no current market support.

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Yes, "Roms = Emulator Knowledge = Probable bad sales for clones = Less revenue"

I have never disputed flashcards as not being something that would sell, only expressed that it would be unlikely to happen directly from 'a clone fabricating vendor' for reasons already pointed out.

If the market was dead due to hardware saturation, sure a fab shop would probably churn out flash carts. It's still a growing business in the retro scene though, why would they introduce you to emulation alternatives?

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

You completely missed the point.
It would 'cost something', and serve as a potential conflict of interest.



Which is why introducing people to ROMs is a bad idea.

Are you for real?

You basically disagreed with me here, told us your opinion on GBA flashcards, then told me essentially 'What I Said' as if it was a point, other than an oxymoron towards your original statement:


Yes, "Roms = Emulator Knowledge = Probable bad sales for clones = Less revenue"

I have never disputed flashcards as not being something that would sell, only expressed that it would be unlikely to happen directly from 'a clone fabricating vendor' for reasons already pointed out.

If the market was dead due to hardware saturation, sure a fab shop would probably churn out flash carts. It's still a growing business in the retro scene though, why would they introduce you to emulation alternatives?

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I'd argue with you, but i just noticed your name, and realized it's not worth the trouble, because you never listen to a goddamn word anyone says. You're always 100% riht and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. You're like The Amazing Atheist, pointless to argue with.

Flash carts need ROMs to work, period. The fact that emulators are available has not hurt the market for such devices, and it will not in the future. If they did, NO ONE would buy these devices. Now, go back to your fantasy world and leave the rest of us alone.

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Originally Posted by Diosoth

I'd argue with you, but i just noticed your name, and realized it's not worth the trouble, because you never listen to a goddamn word anyone says. You're always 100% riht and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. You're like The Amazing Atheist, pointless to argue with.

Flash carts need ROMs to work, period. The fact that emulators are available has not hurt the market for such devices, and it will not in the future. If they did, NO ONE would buy these devices. Now, go back to your fantasy world and leave the rest of us alone.

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You're ridiculous. I listen to what a lot of people say and I never looked for an argument here, but since you felt necessary to insult me, I'll indulge you.

Time for some big letters to hopefully breach the wall of stupid you bubble yourself with:

EMULATORS WOULDN'T HURT FLASHCART SALES...THEY WOULD HURT CLONE SYSTEM SALES...WHICH IS WHY CLONE CONSOLE SYSTEM MANUFACTURERS WOULDN'T SELL THEM WHEN THE MARKET STILL HAS DEMAND FOR CLONE SYSTEMS...WHICH IS WHAT YOU PROPOSED THEY DO...NEWSFLASH: BY INTRODUCING 'ROMS' TO CUSTOMERS, THEY ALSO INTRODUCE EMULATORS...THIS IS CALLED A 'CONFLICT OF INTEREST'...OR BAD FOR BUSINESS...OK? DID YOU GET THAT? TAKE YOUR TIME, YOU WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

For comparing me a youtube celebrity nobody gives two fucks about, just for pointing out your idea's flaws, also for dropping the ball on multiple occasions and your perpetual inability to comprehend what you read, I hereby brand you a "Furry-Loving-Fucktard"

You even refer to yourself in multiples (us), which is strange enough because clearly the only person I'm talking to here is you.

Ok,
It seems Diosoth is repeatedly missing the major underlying point that 'Clone systems' are threatened by emulators because they're both effectively substitutes for real hardware.

Clones are niche enough to be profitable to casual gamers who want to 'relive their childhood' by grabbing one to play old games on, this same group of people would probably pass on paying for a clone if they had access to(or were motivated to check out) emulators.

This is where a conflict of interest could arise.

Where "Flashcarts need roms, emulators wouldn't hurt flashcart sales" came from is beyond me.

I know these long responses are largely unnecessary at this point, I just hope I'm not the only one facepalming at him.

I think most people who buy a clone system do it because part of them misses the old days,
so they get a cheap clone system and buy like 3 games from ebay (cart only probably)

and spend a day playing Sonic and saying "OH MAN THOSE WERE THE DAYS"

I doubt those kinda people would invest in a flashcard when an Emulator does the same thing,
I mean if you're gonna go oldskool why use a clone system in the first place?

I got mine today, and first impression is good. I had to locate one file manually during software driver installation, but other than that things went smoothly.
YM2413 is indeed present in the cart, but its sounding distorted, and cause is non-optimal audio mixer/buffer.

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I've played emulators for years, but never got a flash cart until I started doing homebrew for the console. The motivation there is to show you're capable of making something that works on real hardware (often, homebrew may work in an emulator, but not on real hardware). That's not going to be a major target demographic. :)

Wow... Now I know I got to get me one of these things. It looks like it's working pretty good for you all. :)

For those who want to play through Phantasy Star with FM music here's something you might want to use.

http://www.romhacking.net/trans/1069/

This is a re-translation patch for the Japanese version of Phantasy Star,
since the English version does not support FM sound.

(you can still switch to non FM music by pressing the button on top of the cart btw)

I wonder if this thing can ger Win9x driver too, the software seems to work with no issues under 98SE... I could install 2K driver but it did not start working...
I don't like to boot to XP every time I wanna update some content on the cart....