NEO Myth MD 3in1 flash cartridge

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Originally Posted by Diosoth

It wouldn't be harder to make than the GBA flash carts. I own an EZ-Flash IV. it's not of the "drag and drop" level of ease as DS cards, but it' snot hard to use.

I doubt the companies would care about 100% compatibility anyway. Not even the GBA carts have that, what with no real time clock(Pokemon) or light sensor(Boktai).

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You completely missed the point.
It would 'cost something', and serve as a potential conflict of interest.

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Originally Posted by Diosoth

Besides, if emulation was really a factor, these clones wouldn't sell as well as they do.

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Which is why introducing people to ROMs is a bad idea.

Are you for real?

You basically disagreed with me here, told us your opinion on GBA flashcards, then told me essentially 'What I Said' as if it was a point, other than an oxymoron towards your original statement:

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Originally Posted by Diosoth

I'm actually surprised we haven't seen a flood of flash carts for older systems. You'd think all the companies making clone systems would want to tap into the market for games since they're making and selling systems with no current market support.

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Yes, "Roms = Emulator Knowledge = Probable bad sales for clones = Less revenue"

I have never disputed flashcards as not being something that would sell, only expressed that it would be unlikely to happen directly from 'a clone fabricating vendor' for reasons already pointed out.

If the market was dead due to hardware saturation, sure a fab shop would probably churn out flash carts. It's still a growing business in the retro scene though, why would they introduce you to emulation alternatives?

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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster

You completely missed the point.
It would 'cost something', and serve as a potential conflict of interest.



Which is why introducing people to ROMs is a bad idea.

Are you for real?

You basically disagreed with me here, told us your opinion on GBA flashcards, then told me essentially 'What I Said' as if it was a point, other than an oxymoron towards your original statement:


Yes, "Roms = Emulator Knowledge = Probable bad sales for clones = Less revenue"

I have never disputed flashcards as not being something that would sell, only expressed that it would be unlikely to happen directly from 'a clone fabricating vendor' for reasons already pointed out.

If the market was dead due to hardware saturation, sure a fab shop would probably churn out flash carts. It's still a growing business in the retro scene though, why would they introduce you to emulation alternatives?

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I'd argue with you, but i just noticed your name, and realized it's not worth the trouble, because you never listen to a goddamn word anyone says. You're always 100% riht and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. You're like The Amazing Atheist, pointless to argue with.

Flash carts need ROMs to work, period. The fact that emulators are available has not hurt the market for such devices, and it will not in the future. If they did, NO ONE would buy these devices. Now, go back to your fantasy world and leave the rest of us alone.

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Originally Posted by Diosoth

I'd argue with you, but i just noticed your name, and realized it's not worth the trouble, because you never listen to a goddamn word anyone says. You're always 100% riht and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. You're like The Amazing Atheist, pointless to argue with.

Flash carts need ROMs to work, period. The fact that emulators are available has not hurt the market for such devices, and it will not in the future. If they did, NO ONE would buy these devices. Now, go back to your fantasy world and leave the rest of us alone.

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You're ridiculous. I listen to what a lot of people say and I never looked for an argument here, but since you felt necessary to insult me, I'll indulge you.

Time for some big letters to hopefully breach the wall of stupid you bubble yourself with:

EMULATORS WOULDN'T HURT FLASHCART SALES...THEY WOULD HURT CLONE SYSTEM SALES...WHICH IS WHY CLONE CONSOLE SYSTEM MANUFACTURERS WOULDN'T SELL THEM WHEN THE MARKET STILL HAS DEMAND FOR CLONE SYSTEMS...WHICH IS WHAT YOU PROPOSED THEY DO...NEWSFLASH: BY INTRODUCING 'ROMS' TO CUSTOMERS, THEY ALSO INTRODUCE EMULATORS...THIS IS CALLED A 'CONFLICT OF INTEREST'...OR BAD FOR BUSINESS...OK? DID YOU GET THAT? TAKE YOUR TIME, YOU WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

For comparing me a youtube celebrity nobody gives two fucks about, just for pointing out your idea's flaws, also for dropping the ball on multiple occasions and your perpetual inability to comprehend what you read, I hereby brand you a "Furry-Loving-Fucktard"

You even refer to yourself in multiples (us), which is strange enough because clearly the only person I'm talking to here is you.

Ok,
It seems Diosoth is repeatedly missing the major underlying point that 'Clone systems' are threatened by emulators because they're both effectively substitutes for real hardware.

Clones are niche enough to be profitable to casual gamers who want to 'relive their childhood' by grabbing one to play old games on, this same group of people would probably pass on paying for a clone if they had access to(or were motivated to check out) emulators.

This is where a conflict of interest could arise.

Where "Flashcarts need roms, emulators wouldn't hurt flashcart sales" came from is beyond me.

I know these long responses are largely unnecessary at this point, I just hope I'm not the only one facepalming at him.

I think most people who buy a clone system do it because part of them misses the old days,
so they get a cheap clone system and buy like 3 games from ebay (cart only probably)

and spend a day playing Sonic and saying "OH MAN THOSE WERE THE DAYS"

I doubt those kinda people would invest in a flashcard when an Emulator does the same thing,
I mean if you're gonna go oldskool why use a clone system in the first place?

I got mine today, and first impression is good. I had to locate one file manually during software driver installation, but other than that things went smoothly.
YM2413 is indeed present in the cart, but its sounding distorted, and cause is non-optimal audio mixer/buffer.

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I've played emulators for years, but never got a flash cart until I started doing homebrew for the console. The motivation there is to show you're capable of making something that works on real hardware (often, homebrew may work in an emulator, but not on real hardware). That's not going to be a major target demographic. :)

Wow... Now I know I got to get me one of these things. It looks like it's working pretty good for you all. :)

For those who want to play through Phantasy Star with FM music here's something you might want to use.

http://www.romhacking.net/trans/1069/

This is a re-translation patch for the Japanese version of Phantasy Star,
since the English version does not support FM sound.

(you can still switch to non FM music by pressing the button on top of the cart btw)

I wonder if this thing can ger Win9x driver too, the software seems to work with no issues under 98SE... I could install 2K driver but it did not start working...
I don't like to boot to XP every time I wanna update some content on the cart....

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SEGA CD
CD BIOS (PLAY ANY REGION GAME CD )
CD BACK RAM

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This feature doesn't seem to exist. I was able to run a Mega-CDII BIOS from the menu but after displaying the Mega-CD logo, it just froze. I have to take out the Myth cart to use my Mega-CDII. I can only hope they or someone else adds that feature through software. Dr.neo has stated that they will release the menu source code.

It's still cool without that. USB is great and it works on Windows 7. It's my first MD flash cart. The hardware has great potential, it just needs better software.

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Originally Posted by Sektor

This feature doesn't seem to exist.

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Sounds like false advertising then.

But hey knowing that the source code for the menu is going to be released makes me happy,
maybe someone will make a nice menu with little icons and stuff, kinda like the Super Wildcard DX had.

with a little 32X icon and Sega CD icon, SMS icon, etc.

hell maybe even add action replay and game-genie options.

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Originally Posted by Sektor

This feature doesn't seem to exist. I was able to run a Mega-CDII BIOS from the menu but after displaying the Mega-CD logo, it just froze. I have to take out the Myth cart to use my Mega-CDII. I can only hope they or someone else adds that feature through software. Dr.neo has stated that they will release the menu source code.

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Any motivation in wanting this cart has officially disappeared until someone modifies that source to work properly.:(

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Originally Posted by Flygon

Any motivation in wanting this cart has officially disappeared until someone modifies that source to work properly.:(

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Please post a link to the source code here once it surfaces folks. ;)

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

Sounds like false advertising then.

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Well, to me it seems that these missing features might be implemented soon-ish with firmware updates (i.e. menu updates). I read that Game Genie support is planned but atm it is listed as not yet implemented.

You're right though that SCD support is listed as already supported but actually isn't, as of now. Still, I am sure it might be implemented sooner or later.

I think I will pass on this one. I already have a FM-chipped SMS, two flashcarts (one with S-RAM, one with Mega-CD BIOSes) and money to buy the games I want instead of getting illegal ROMs to play on my Mega Drive.

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

I think I will pass on this one. I already have a FM-chipped SMS, two flashcarts (one with S-RAM, one with Mega-CD BIOSes) and money to buy the games I want instead of getting illegal ROMs to play on my Mega Drive.

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I see, so those 2 flashcarts you have are somehow different to this flashcart?

Yes. I've written some texts you may read if you want:

Mega Cart - I bought this so I could play foreign MCD games on my system.

MD-Pro - I bought this for... well, THIS.

I read those 2 pages and i still don't understand why you would say that your flashcards are any different,
in the end both can run translated roms and hopefully with a menu fix the NEO cart owners can also boot different Sega CD bios files.
(which was promised to us to begin with)

so again i ask, why are you so morally superior while both flashcards can do the same thing?

well?

While i wait for your answer i will play some translated Bare Knuckle III and some translated Phantasy Star 1 (with fm sound and save option)

or should i play some Monster World IV? i love MW4.

I'd also like to know if there are any benefit to those other cards, I think that $150 is kind of steep but considering everything you can do with the NEO Myth card it becomes easy to justify the expense.

MegaCart definitely has a benefit over the Myth cart: multi region support for your SCD. (well, that and its lower price + beautiful packaging)

If you want Master System with FM sound then the Neo Myth 3-in-1 is the one you want.

Oh, I wasn't aware you couldn't use it for region free SEGA CD gaming, or at least not yet. I hope that gets resolved soon.

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

I read those 2 pages and i still don't understand why you would say that your flashcards are any different,
in the end both can run translated roms and hopefully with a menu fix the NEO cart owners can also boot different Sega CD bios files.
(which was promised to us to begin with)

so again i ask, why are you so morally superior while both flashcards can do the same thing?

well?

While i wait for your answer i will play some translated Bare Knuckle III and some translated Phantasy Star 1 (with fm sound and save option)

or should i play some Monster World IV? i love MW4.

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I didn't say they were different, but they were released much earlier and I bought them. I don't know what you mean with "morally superior" but I didn't buy them to never buy any real MD carts again, I actually have the original MWIV, King Colossus etc.

I am interested in this, but it seems almost as if products like these are only made by those who speak little English and have dodgy support. Why can't people in the US make something like this? Why is it always China or somesuch? I want something that works with USB only (parallel ports are for Nazis) and has a program that installs on the computer and does what it is supposed to do and doesn't need to have certain install files manually manipulated (like DLL files or whatever) for it to run properly. Granted, if a ROM is bad and doesn't work, that is the ROM's fault. But I really don't see why it should be so hard to make a competent flashing program, though apparently it is judging by the issues people are having in this thread.

Also, can someone please post a recoding of the "distorted" FM sound from Phantasy Star 1? If the FM is weird, that is a deal-breaker.

It is okay but could be better (cleaner). Once TmEE figured out a fix/mod, I am sure that NeoTeam will use it for their next batch.

Same for the flashing program: It's a beta and buggy and doesn't have all planned features yet. I hope and think that this will change sooner or later.

I just hope this doesn't burn the reputation 360 style, it has potential but it needs to stop crashing first. :daze:

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

I think I will pass on this one. I already have a FM-chipped SMS, two flashcarts (one with S-RAM, one with Mega-CD BIOSes) and money to buy the games I want instead of getting illegal ROMs to play on my Mega Drive.

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So do you play your Mega Drive while eating caviar and driving your yacht? None of us deserve to play Mega Man: The Wily Wars, Pulseman, Alien Solder, and other games not released or only released via the Sega Channel in the US?

If this was 1993, I would agree with a conscientious objection to ROMs, but it's 2009 and it's really a preposterous stance to claim anyone is missing out (financially) from the existence of freely available ROMs. Mind you as well, the possession of said ROMs is pretty much a non-actionable event. The courts can't even shut down the Pirate Bay, a site that enables the sharing of movies/music/games before they are even officially released to the public. As long as no one is profiting from these ROMs, it's practically about as illegal as taking pennies from the "leave a penny, take a penny" tray. At this point, ROMs are like 1920's black and white films: a history lesson that should be enjoyed without the chains of unjustified corporate greed. If companies like Nintendo were smart, they would just STFU about it and use the resurgent popularity of games to inspire modern sequels (which already happens, look at Punch Out!, I guarantee you the popularity of ROMs had alot to do with that) instead of nickel and diming you (more like ten and twenty-ing you) to download the same damn thing over the Wii VC with no additional content or features.

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

I am interested in this, but it seems almost as if products like these are only made by those who speak little English and have dodgy support. Why can't people in the US make something like this? Why is it always China or somesuch? I want something that works with USB only (parallel ports are for Nazis) and has a program that installs on the computer and does what it is supposed to do and doesn't need to have certain install files manually manipulated (like DLL files or whatever) for it to run properly. Granted, if a ROM is bad and doesn't work, that is the ROM's fault. But I really don't see why it should be so hard to make a competent flashing program, though apparently it is judging by the issues people are having in this thread.

Also, can someone please post a recoding of the "distorted" FM sound from Phantasy Star 1? If the FM is weird, that is a deal-breaker.

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It's because US companies would undergo too much legal pressure. In China, they have almost no intellectual property laws (I think Neo is in Korea, but it's probably similar there), so they simply don't give a shit. What a company should do is pretend they are doing it to market some shitty download-only NES games so they don't have to make a cartridge each time, even though both parties know exactly what is going on. It would be hard to pin them as responsible for copyright infringement if they don't provide ROMs and technically sell their own games, however crappy.

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Originally Posted by Flygon

I just hope this doesn't burn the reputation 360 style, it has potential but it needs to stop crashing first. :daze:

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I don't think this will ever sell enough units for most people to even know it exists, therefore I would find it hard to compare it to a 360. Besides, this is mostly software problems from the sound of things, the 360 has shitty hardware.

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

So do you play your Mega Drive while eating caviar and driving your yacht? None of us deserve to play Mega Man: The Wily Wars, Pulseman, Alien Solder, and other games not released or only released via the Sega Channel in the US?

If this was 1993, I would agree with a conscientious objection to ROMs, but it's 2009 and it's really a preposterous stance to claim anyone is missing out (financially) from the existence of freely available ROMs. Mind you as well, the possession of said ROMs is pretty much a non-actionable event. The courts can't even shut down the Pirate Bay, a site that enables the sharing of movies/music/games before they are even officially released to the public. As long as no one is profiting from these ROMs, it's practically about as illegal as taking pennies from the "leave a penny, take a penny" tray. At this point, ROMs are like 1920's black and white films: a history lesson that should be enjoyed without the chains of unjustified corporate greed. If companies like Nintendo were smart, they would just STFU about it and use the resurgent popularity of games to inspire modern sequels (which already happens, look at Punch Out!, I guarantee you the popularity of ROMs had alot to do with that) instead of nickel and diming you (more like ten and twenty-ing you) to download the same damn thing over the Wii VC with no additional content or features.

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You can always buy the PAL or JP copy of the game(s) and play it on your system via Game Genie, Mega Key or by modding the system. Or you can just buy the game, shelf it and play its ROM on a flashcart.

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

You can always buy the PAL or JP copy of the game(s) and play it on your system via Game Genie, Mega Key or by modding the system. Or you can just buy the game, shelf it and play its ROM on a flashcart.

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If I ever luck out and become incredibly wealthy, I'm going to fly to Sweden and fart on you.

Well, I buy many American and Japanese games and play them on my system thanks to modding, I see no problem with that.

Is it really illegal if they aren't losing a profit if you download the ROM?

Lets face it, buying second hand brings no profit to the company, downloading a ROM brings no profit to the company.

See where I'm coming at?

Therefor, I see no problem with downloading ROM's to use on a flash cart for a 90's console.

Anyway, I'll step out of this discussion, I'll end up getting myself banned in a flame war. :daze:

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Originally Posted by Flygon

Is it really illegal if they aren't losing a profit if you download the ROM?

Lets face it, buying second hand brings no profit to the company, downloading a ROM brings no profit to the company.

See where I'm coming at?

Therefor, I see no problem with downloading ROM's to use on a flash cart for a 90's console.

Anyway, I'll step out of this discussion, I'll end up getting myself banned in a flame war. :daze:

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Stimulate the economy, duh! ;)

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

You can always buy the PAL or JP copy of the game(s) and play it on your system via Game Genie, Mega Key or by modding the system. Or you can just buy the game, shelf it and play its ROM on a flashcart.

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I would totally be down for doing this but games like Pulseman cost over $100 on ebay.

Although I find it hard to enjoy a game if I'm playing it with an emulator I don't see anything wrong with downloading a rom of a sega game and I wouldn't call someone out on it.

There are other places than eBay to get games. I got my Pulseman copy for far less on JapanGameStock.

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

If this was 1993, I would agree with a conscientious objection to ROMs, but it's 2009 and it's really a preposterous stance to claim anyone is missing out (financially) from the existence of freely available ROMs. Mind you as well, the possession of said ROMs is pretty much a non-actionable event. The courts can't even shut down the Pirate Bay, a site that enables the sharing of movies/music/games before they are even officially released to the public. As long as no one is profiting from these ROMs, it's practically about as illegal as taking pennies from the "leave a penny, take a penny" tray. At this point, ROMs are like 1920's black and white films: a history lesson that should be enjoyed without the chains of unjustified corporate greed. If companies like Nintendo were smart, they would just STFU about it and use the resurgent popularity of games to inspire modern sequels (which already happens, look at Punch Out!, I guarantee you the popularity of ROMs had alot to do with that) instead of nickel and diming you (more like ten and twenty-ing you) to download the same damn thing over the Wii VC with no additional content or features.

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I somewhat agree with this statement. I would download an mp3 on the internet first (I have not downloaded illegally since last year, though), and then buy the CD if it contained extra features like a DVD containing special features like music videos or behind the scenes stuff. I find ROMs during the 1990's and before the same way, but I try to buy the authentic version if it is possible (not a rare import). If it is only available on the Virtual Console in America (or rare and expensive), I buy it there.

However, some people also do not want people to "mess with the classics." I remember playing Super Mario All Stars 10,000 times then wondering how the NES versions played (different from my expectations :)). I rarely play the GBA versions of these games, too, because of them being available in their current form on the internet and Virtual Console. The Star Wars Special Editions are sometimes criticized, especially the "I'm Hanz Christianson" tweak :p.

The only thing I do not like about the Virtual Console is the ELUA/DRM feature that you can only use it one one Wii or else it's illegal. However, it makes me more justified to download a ROM because I payed whoever owns the Virtual Console ROM. ;)

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It's because US companies would undergo too much legal pressure. In China, they have almost no intellectual property laws (I think Neo is in Korea, but it's probably similar there), so they simply don't give a shit. What a company should do is pretend they are doing it to market some shitty download-only NES games so they don't have to make a cartridge each time, even though both parties know exactly what is going on. It would be hard to pin them as responsible for copyright infringement if they don't provide ROMs and technically sell their own games, however crappy.

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There is an American Flash Cart for the NES. (See the FAQ link to see what I mean) Although it contains Repros of Nintendo World Championship carts, which is more illegal than a flash cart, it has not recieved a C&D from Nintendo from what I know.

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I don't think this will ever sell enough units for most people to even know it exists, therefore I would find it hard to compare it to a 360. Besides, this is mostly software problems from the sound of things, the 360 has shitty hardware.

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The Acekard 2.0 for the Nintendo DS had that kind of reputation. :rofl:
I probably won't buy this anyway because I already have a MegaCart for most of my needs (except saving :p). Also the SMS FM sounds buggier than a bad Genesis 2 (the bass is really noisy), the Sega CD features don't work right yet, and I would have to remove the 32X to play SMS roms (32X's fault not the cart's). Also I need money for college, which you all know is expensive.

Sorry for the mini-essay. Just my 2 cents, don't need to start a flamewar.

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Originally Posted by sasuke

Sorry for the mini-essay. Just my 2 cents, don't need to start a flamewar.

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I'm finding more and more that many (most?) people agree with your/my opinion on the matter, but there's always a super loud naysayer that jumps in and gets the thread locked. I personally believe the responsibility is ultimately on the consumer.

This is the bottom line:

If you download everything and don't pay for it, it will disappear. If movies/games/music don't make any income, they will cease to exist because no one will want to fund them. Therefore, if you like a game, you need to buy it to reinforce your interest as well as fund future projects for that company/director/programmer/whatever. With exceedingly old games (more than 2 generations old), the original designers are no longer associated with the game and if it is still being sold, it's by someone that bought the rights and has no intention of ever producing a new product in the same vein. Therefore, I think retro games and the purchase of retro games should be entirely up to personal interest. If you don't have much money and know where to get them, you emulate. If you want physical copies to play on real hardware, you buy that. If you want the convenience of emulation but are intimidated by the emulation scene, you buy them for the Wii VC and basically pay someone else for the convenience of setting it up for you. I think even the copyright holders in some cases feel this way as there are many ROM sites and even repro-making sites that operate with a full host of ROMs readily available for download and have been doing so for several years.

There's also my objection to the way copyright works in this country (and others as well?) in terms of both longevity and transferability. Sure, the producer deserves a fair share, but they should never be able to fully take the royalty rights from the original creator. Also, it's 20 years for patents, it should be 20 years for copyrights, with no exceptions other than fundamental trademarks like the McDonald's "M" for example.

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

If you download everything and don't pay for it, it will disappear. If movies/games/music don't make any income, they will cease to exist because no one will want to fund them.

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Bollocks. Music is much older than capitalism; people have been making music for millenia. Will people stop making music because there's no profit in it? Only the behemoth record companies with their manufactured shite will. Shitloads of freeware games are made for no profit. Will this stop too? And in my opinion the amount of money spent on a film tends to have a paradoxical effect on the actual quality of the plot, script etc, so films made with miniscule budgets should show us who the most creative producers and directors are.

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Originally Posted by crazyteknohed

Bollocks. Music is much older than capitalism; people have been making music for millenia. Will people stop making music because there's no profit in it? Only the behemoth record companies with their manufactured shite will. Shitloads of freeware games are made for no profit. Will this stop too? And in my opinion the amount of money spent on a film tends to have a paradoxical effect on the actual quality of the plot, script etc, so films made with miniscule budgets should show us who the most creative producers and directors are.

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well actually, and somewhat ironically, I was referring to the support of the indie music/films/games as that is most of what I play/watch/listen to, lol. Compared to today, Sega was practically an indie video game manufacturer with teams of about 6 or so creating a game. Many musicians will make music anyway, but the more you support them, the more encouraged they are to continue doing what they do. Remember also, many people that enthusiastically give their products away for free hope to one day gain enough support to get a well paying job doing what they love. Almost every comedian on the Adam Carolla podcast has a story to tell about how hard they had to fight to get the exposure and subsequent popularity to get where they are. I even make various videos for youtube, I don't ask for a cent; however, if someone came along and said "I really like what you do with your video game reviews, do you want a TV show?" I would be like "fuck yeah I do!" So, like I said, the key point is that if you like something, buy it. It doesn't matter if it's corporately made with billions or made by 3 dudes in a garage, if you like it, you like it. Even freeware games have a "donate" button, and if you are affluent enough, I would use it.

I don't think 0.7 Final of Mortal Kombat II Unlimited works on this cartridge, has anyone had luck with that version?

It's absolutely possible that this is an issue with the hack / ROM itself, not the flash cart. - PM me the ROM and I'll test it on my Tototek MD-Pro.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

It's absolutely possible that this is an issue with the hack / ROM itself, not the flash cart. - PM me the ROM and I'll test it on my Tototek MD-Pro.

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It very well could be, NeoVamp said he got it to work but I assume he was using an older version going by the date of his post. Also, thank you for offering to test it, I really appreciate it! I'll PM you a copy of it ASAP.

Hopefully since this is a relatively new hack it can be modified to work on real hardware, especially if it was working in an older version. If anyone has the version of MK II Unlimited before 0.7 and could send it to me through PM or e-mail then I'd appreciate it. :D