Genesis and SNES, which had better version of a game?

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Originally Posted by PimpUigi

The Genesis version has more detailed stages. For instance, Blanka's stage...in the SNES version, the fish just floats in the guys hut. But in the Genesis version, you see that the fish is tied with a rope to the guys ceiling.

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The Genesis version is also missing a lot of detail. Detail in color. The floor in Guile's level (and the far background), the sky in Ken's stage, etc. I can see why one would prefer one version over the other, but way better? Please. If your other comparison comments are going to be like these, then they'll just come off as fanboy excuses/remarks. You're coming off like you're looking for reason to justifty/declare the Genesis port superiority over the SNES version, that you've already decided before hand.

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No, I mean the far background like in Mario Kart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVi8AiwKn3k (which is obviously outside the 128x128 mode 7 tile, similar with F-Zero, and Pilot Wings for that matter, the playfeild is the mode 7 tile, but the far background should be the window layer)

In the Bowser battle in SMW the balck BG seems to be true, but do note there's the castle mario's on in that case, which is probably the window layer. (though I suppose it could be made of sprites) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkofJRfNJgE
Bowser being done with mode 7 of course.

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There's no "window" as in a static non-scrolling overlay. There's window clipping/masking and window color, but no overlay window. You use a BG layer for that. Usually BG 3 for mode 1. Also, mode 7 is like any other BG layer. You can do H-int effects and make static or sectioned parts of the screen that are not "scaled/rotated". You can also change which mode the sPPU is in mid screen. The modes/layers can't overlap each other, but you can usually get away with a flat horizontal like for horizons. Mario kart divides the screen into 3 sections; the top half with trees/hills/stats (mode 0), the second half that's scaling/rotation in motion - the track (mode 7), and the third section which is still mode 7, but has a fixed scaled view of the track.

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Originally Posted by PimpUigi

Can someone tell my what makes Alien 3 on the SNES so much better than the Genesis one???

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I would say that it isn't. The SNES version has way superior visuals... but the Genesis version simply plays better.

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Originally Posted by PimpUigi

Sampled??
The SNES soundtrack sounds nothing like the CPS1 arcade music.

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Sampled instruments.

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The Genesis instruments are extremely similar to the CPS1 arcade music. Which is why the soundtrack sounds almost perfect.

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It's a matter of preference.

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I don't see how it's pretty even when the SNES is missing so many blatantly obvious things.
The Guile stage and intro especially being huge differences...censorship just hurts Nintendo.

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I've seen multiple videos comparing the SNES, Genesis and PCE versions of the game. Each one has something the other doesn't. The intro isn't that big of a deal and the rope not showing on the hanging fish isn't either. I'd think the clouds not moving on the Blanka stage (Genesis) would be a much bigger deal than a missing rope.

I can't believe you're actually arguing over whether a non-scrolling cloud is worse than an absent rope.

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

that you've already decided before hand.

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OK, I just got a little over enthused.
I certainly didn't decide before hand, and I don't want to come off as a fan boy. (though I do love Street Fighter a lot)
So easy to step over the line these days. :daze:

I think Super Turrican 2 blows Mega Turrican out of the water...
and like I said so does Jurassic Park, and Super Smash TV

I also think Star Trek The Next Generation, and Lost Vikings were better on SNES.

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Originally Posted by j_factor

I can't believe you're actually arguing over whether a non-scrolling cloud is worse than an absent rope.

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I can't believe that a missing rope would make one version superior to another. They're both great! ;)

Oh, because the rope was the only difference I posted. ;)
I didn't post three other, actually major differences.

The point of the rope was that the backgrounds in the Genesis had more detail.
They are more colorful in the SNES version, I'm not telling half truths here. The sounds and voices are also better in the SNES version, like I said.

So I see a 4 to 2. And in my day, when you double the reasons to get a game, one version is clearly way better than the other.
Especially when it comes to intros, and missing women...

They both control the same, so they are both great.

I think the Genesis version is closer to the Arcade in general, while the PCE port is very similar to the SNES version. (I don't think the clouds even move in blanca's arcade stage)

The rope/chain being one thing as noted, as well as the barrel in Ken's stage and some of the crowd in Guile's stage. (small details, but in terms of pure Arcade authenticity the Genesis version takes it) Plus I'm pretty sure the Genesis version has more of the voice samples, granted they're significantly lower quality. (though the PCE beats them both in this respect) And the music of course. (Super SFII is another story...)

The real advantage is the controlls, the Genesis D-Pad and -button layout are way better for this game than the Standard SNES controller. (and I'd say the arcade stick probably as well)

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Originally Posted by PimpUigi

Lost Vikings were better on SNES.

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Why is Lost Vikings better on SNES? I've heard that the MD version is in higher resolution and has extra stages too.

Also sorry but Street Fighter II Turbo is better than SCE, sure its much closer between the two than the landslide people like to make it out to be but the SNES game has more stages that look better than the MD version, better colour use throughout, much better samples and also wins out in probably more tunes too (Mega Drive definately has the better versions of at least 4 songs though)

Being closer to the arcade's music isn't necessarily better if the music has been improved.

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Originally Posted by jesus.arnold

Being closer to the arcade's music isn't necessarily better if the music has been improved.

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The music and sound effects are why I prefer the SNES version. Either way, both systems win, because they got a solid port of a great arcade game.

Smash TV stinks on both the genesis and the snes. Both are disappointing.

Thunder Force 3 beats the hell out of Thunder Spirits on terms of music alone. You think the SNES could have done an awesome job with the songs, but the instrumentation just sounded boring in comparison to the Genesis.

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Originally Posted by jesus.arnold

Also sorry but Street Fighter II Turbo is better than SCE, sure its much closer between the two than the landslide people like to make it out to be but the SNES game has more stages that look better than the MD version, better colour use throughout, much better samples and also wins out in probably more tunes too (Mega Drive definately has the better versions of at least 4 songs though)

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Wasn't Turbo on MD/Genesis a pirate game? (of rather poor quality?) Plus the soundtrack is identical to World Warrior on SNES. (and complete crap on Genesis)

I thought Super SFII Turbo was the preferred SNES port, particularly the music. (which makes sense as the arcade game used sample based music, catering to the SNES sound system, not so much with the Genesis port, though it still sounded better than Turbo, but no comparison to SCE)

It's not particularly fair to get down on World Warrior though, it was the fearliest port of the game to any platform, so it's understandably going to be more lmited.

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

I think the Genesis version is closer to the Arcade in general, while the PCE port is very similar to the SNES version. (I don't think the clouds even move in blanca's arcade stage)

The rope/chain being one thing as noted, as well as the barrel in Ken's stage and some of the crowd in Guile's stage. (small details, but in terms of pure Arcade authenticity the Genesis version takes it) Plus I'm pretty sure the Genesis version has more of the voice samples, granted they're significantly lower quality. (though the PCE beats them both in this respect) And the music of course. (Super SFII is another story...)

The real advantage is the controlls, the Genesis D-Pad and -button layout are way better for this game than the Standard SNES controller. (and I'd say the arcade stick probably as well)

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*sniff sniff* What's this, yet ANOTHER SF2 port discussion??? :p

The only 16-Bit version of SF2 in which the clouds scroll is in the original home port of SF2: the SNES port of World Warrior. That port also happens to have some animations (such as the women which dance from left to right in Vega's stage, unlike every other version of SF2 INCLUDING the original coin-op, and revamped endings for Ryu, Ken and Chun-Li) that are unique to that port, and were not retained in subsequent 16-Bit ports. (The SF2: WW coin-op to a lesser extent also had graphics and character portraits which were replaced/revamped in later versions of SF2).

The PCE port of SF2: CE was the first home port to use the graphics and animations which would be recycled for all future SF2 ports for Genesis, SNES and PC. It was based on the still-in-development SNES port of Turbo, which in turn was ported to the Genesis (with some slight modifications) as "Special Champion Edition", after Capcom canned their first stab at a Genesis SF2 port, which they were porting from the ground up on Genesis hardware (the results of which are contained in the "SF2 Turbo" beta ROM floating around on the intarwebs)

Apart from the interpretations of the coin-op's music and voices unique to each console, all the 16-Bit SF2 ports shared the same graphics, animation count and resolution (though not color count, and to a lesser extent detail and backgrounds, the latter especially in the SSF2 ports)

Tip tip, tallyhoe mate.

I was unaware of Lost Vikings having more levels in the Genesis version.

I shall look into that...
SNES has the animations that the Genesis is missing. (and typically...has the better music, sounds, and colors)

Genesis is better though if it has more levels...how many more?