Genesis and SNES, which had better version of a game?

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

OK. You're right, I don't want to sidetrack this thread into yet another discussion about the Genesis' audio capabilities

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Nah, I think it's of importance if you're comparing SNES and Genesis.

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

It's intestering to note that the ASIC version of the YM2612 used in the model 2 (not VA-2) and VA-7 M1 is superior to a "real" 2612 in that the sampling frequency is higher and there's much less quantization noise. (with the ASIC having higher than the 9-bit output of a real YM2612)

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It's not correct that the sampling frequency of the chip itself would be higher. The statement about the quantization noise however is correct.

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

TmEE's mod is even clearer than an early model 1. (that and there's no headphone amp to go through) Of course, there's the VA-3/4 (and mono Genny 3) which have much cleaner output. (though not quite as good as with the mod)

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I would love to hear a recording of the VA-3/4. Atm I assume that it's similar to a CDX or X'eye, both of which can't really compete with a HDG model 1 nor TmEE's CCAM (but do sound 'good enough').

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

I find this aspect of the Genesis audio hardware to be very confusing.

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It's actually not that confusing: There's the model 1 (featuring Yamaha's 2612) of which all but the very last variant (lacking the High Definition Graphics logo) do sound great to perfect, and we got the model 2 (featuring Sega's 2612 clone in an ASIC) of which all but one variant does sound awful.

The difference in sound isn't caused by the ASIC or YM2612 but by the mixing circuit, the analog parts of the hardware.

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

What I was trying to determine was the playback rate of the music in this particular game, not necessarily the Genesis' maximum capabilities in this area. Are you saying that the 53kHz rate is the universal playback rate of FM synthesis on the Genesis? I was under the impression that the playback rate could vary as determined by whatever sound driver was being employed. Could you clarify this for me?

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As far we know, 53khz is the rate at which the YM2612 outputs sounds. This is not related to a particular sound engine as far as I know. The sound engines do have an impact on the sounds and instruments available to the composer (there are no presets on the YM2612), as well as the tools provided for e.g. MIDI to FM conversion or PCM encoding and playback.

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

I have a HDG Model 1 and a VA 1.8 Model 2. I can certainly hear the differences between the two, but as I said in another thread here, the practical significance of those differences are, IMO, debatable.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Se...omparision.ogg

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

Nevertheless, I'll re-record some BGM tracks from both consoles and repeat my downsampling experiment and try for a greater measure of precision here.

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I'd love to hear some recordings from your machines. - Did you have a chance to listen to the ones I uploaded ?

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

Any ideas on the resolution or compression level used for the samples in this particular game?

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That's almost impossible to determine just by listening to it but from memory it sounds way, waaay below 11khz/8-bit.

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

What are some specific examples of what the PSG is being used for in these games. I've always wondered if the PSG wasn't used to generate some of the percussive effects (the snare drum, in particular) in Super Street Fighter II.

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The PSG is used mostly for lead melodies (most prominently in DeeJay's theme, see my uploaded recordings), hihats (noise channel), or scales accompanying accords.

Snare and bass drums are usually played via PCM. Earlier games "emulated" the snare via FM.

If you want to know exactly what channels play which sound, you could use Maxim's VGM plugin for WinAMP or an emulator that allows to deactivate certain parts of the Mega Drive's sound chips.

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

World Warrior has significant slowdown when projectiles are fired. (the Genesis's SCE seems to have a little as well, but not nearly as much) The PCE version actually seems smoother in this respect than the genesis version, though I can't speak first hand for this port.(on real hardware at least)

The slowmo finish is intentional, granted, but I don't think anyone's refrencing this.

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I only fired up the CE/Turbo games yesterday for a bit and didn't notice anything. I'll pay extra attention to the pre-impact projectiles next time. :) I still don't think that it can be anything close to game breaking and I know that they all play fine on their own.

Street Fighter II in ARCADES gets slowdown when a projectile is thrown. Slowdown is a part of Street Fighter, same as when you get the slowdown after you break the glass in NBA Jam.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

It's not correct that the sampling frequency of the chip itself would be higher. The statement about the quantization noise however is correct.

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I seem to remember TmEE mentioning the ASIC had a higher smapling frequency, but OK.

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I would love to hear a recording of the VA-3/4. Atm I assume that it's similar to a CDX or X'eye, both of which can't really compete with a HDG model 1 nor TmEE's CCAM (but do sound 'good enough').

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I beleive Ace mentioned that the CDX had different audio circuitry than the others, and was cleaner than X'eye or VA3/4 M2, it's also quieter than the others... (there may be a difference between US and EU models though, I've heard comments about the Multimega that didn't match Ace's statements)


It should also be noted that not just "HDG" model 1's have good sound, but the VA-6 revision, which lacks the D-sub 9-pin EXT port and "HDG" logo still has similar circuitry to earlier model 1's. (I seem to remember that the very early M1's, non-TMSS, actually had slightly better audio than other HDG models, or the VA-6)

Ace listed how to tell a VA-6 from VA-7 machine in his thread about distinguishing the models. ("telling good from bad") The AV port being closer to the middle on the VA7, and somthing else too. (I think the VA6 has an imprint of where the EXT port is supposed to go as well, and the VA7 has a plastic trim peice over the power LED, rather than paint)

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

As far we know, 53khz is the rate at which the YM2612 outputs sounds. This is not related to a particular sound engine as far as I know. The sound engines do have an impact on the sounds and instruments available to the composer (there are no presets on the YM2612), as well as the tools provided for e.g. MIDI to FM conversion or PCM encoding and playback.

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Thanks for the info. I'll edit my article to reflect my new understanding of the Genesis' audio output.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

I have a HDG Model 1 and a VA 1.8 Model 2. I can certainly hear the differences between the two, but as I said in another thread here, the practical significance of those differences are, IMO, debatable.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Se...omparision.ogg

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

I'd love to hear some recordings from your machines. - Did you have a chance to listen to the ones I uploaded ?

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Actually, I wasn't able to listen to the recordings in the link you posted. Unfortunately, 44mb is a bit to big for my slow DSL. However, I listened to the recordings you posted as part of this thread back in June. I posted a few recordings from my consoles in that thread too. I haven't had time to repeat my downsampling experiments of the Genesis BGM in SFII: SCE, but I'll try to post some of those tracks when I finally do.

You definitely won't get an argument from me about the differences in the output quality of the different Genesis revisions, and that those differences are important to many people here, but my feeling is that the practical significance of these differences, to the average player, is largely irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

The PSG is used mostly for lead melodies (most prominently in DeeJay's theme, see my uploaded recordings), hihats (noise channel), or scales accompanying accords.

Snare and bass drums are usually played via PCM. Earlier games "emulated" the snare via FM.

If you want to know exactly what channels play which sound, you could use Maxim's VGM plugin for WinAMP or an emulator that allows to deactivate certain parts of the Mega Drive's sound chips.

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Fascinating! Now that you point it out, I can clearly hear that the PSG is being used for the lead melodies on most tracks. Cammy's theme is another track with a prominent lead that sounds like it's being generated by the PSG.

The snare in Super SFII still sounds to me like it could be from the PSG. It's so heavily gated, it's little more than a "pop", something the noise channel could probably generate.

Why, though, did Capcom make such heavy use of the PSG in Super SFII's BGM? As interesting as it is from a technical standpoint, most people (myself included) feel that the BGM in Super SFII is inferior to the BGM in SFII: SCE. Seems like it would have been better to stick with FM synthesis for the BGM, like in SFII: SCE... or did SFII: SCE make use of the PSG in the BGM too, and I just never noticed it?

I need to listen to some more examples of the PSG's capabilities... maybe check out some SMS vids on Youtube. Any suggestions?

*EDIT: I downloaded your package of SFII recordings. I let the download run while I was eating supper. The Super SFII recordings sound much better than anything I've been able to get out of any of my Genesis consoles, including my HDG model 1. Which of those recordings were made from actual cartridges on stock Genesis hardware?

**EDIT: Here are some recordings I made from my two Genesis consoles (HDG Model 1; VA 1.8 Model 2), SNES, and the Arcade games (PS1 Street Fighter II Collections).

The Guile track from CE sounds better on the Genesis to me than the Arcade, with the Model 1 sounding brighter than the Model 2, but the SNES rendition blows away all three.

The Ken track from CE sounds better on the Genesis than the Arcade, with the Model 1 again sounding brighter and cleaner. The SNES rendition is an abomination.

The Arcade recordings of the Super SFII tracks sound best to me, with the SNES close behind. The Genesis renditions are impressive when you consider what they're doing, but they're a distant third. The Model 1 rendition of Cammy's theme is cleaner, with a more even mix than the Model 2, but it may be too clean because there is an awful buzz in that track and the lead synth is almost squeaking in the second half of the track--it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. The Model 2 may sound a bit flat, but I dare say, it's easier on the ears.

Dee Jay's theme also has a more even mix on the Model 1, but the lead synth gets buried underneath the maracas, which sound little better than static. The maracas are nearly nonexistent on the Model 2, but it makes for a cleaner track that stays focused on the slap bass and lead synth. I haven't made up my mind on this one.

It's important to note that prior to normalization, the Super SFII tracks on the Genesis were so muffled that they were nearly inaudible. None of my Super SFII recordings from the Genesis sound anything like their raw output from either console.

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

However, I listened to the recordings you posted as part of this thread back in June. I posted a few recordings from my consoles in that thread too.

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Yeah, I remember now. :)

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

I haven't had time to repeat my downsampling experiments of the Genesis BGM

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From my personal experience I do hear a difference between my 24bit recordings at 96khz and a 16-bit / 48khz downsampled version. That would make a lot of sense considering the Genesis outputs at 53khz.

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

You definitely won't get an argument from me about the differences in the output quality of the different Genesis revisions, and that those differences are important to many people here, but my feeling is that the practical significance of these differences, to the average player, is largely irrelevant.

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I am not sure what you mean: Why would the average player not care for the music in a game, and whether or not it is muffled and distorted or not ? Especially when he/she could purchase a hardware variant that provides perfectly crystal clear audio for about $10 (HDG model 1) or have his model 2/3 modded by TmEE for $40 (which includes cartridge expansion, region switches and S-Video mod IIRC).

- And couldn't the same be said about the differences between the Genesis/SNES/arcade version's soundtrack in general, which would make a comparision between the three totally unnecessary because we could assume that the average player wouldn't care anyway ?

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

Fascinating! Now that you point it out, I can clearly hear that the PSG is being used for the lead melodies on most tracks. Cammy's theme is another track with a prominent lead that sounds like it's being generated by the PSG.

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Cammy's track definitely features an FM lead and not a PSG one. You can immediatly tell if you're familiar with the typical PSG sound.

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

The snare in Super SFII still sounds to me like it could be from the PSG. It's so heavily gated, it's little more than a "pop", something the noise channel could probably generate.

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Just checked in in_vgm v036: It's neither PSG nor PCM but FM acually, like in many early Mega Drive games where they used FM instead of PCM to save valuable space on a tiny 4Mbit cartridge. Capcom probably did it to keep PCM free for voice samples. Other games just switched from drums to voices and back (see Streets of Rage II or Shui Hu Feng Yun Zhuan).

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

Why, though, did Capcom make such heavy use of the PSG in Super SFII's BGM? As interesting as it is from a technical standpoint, most people (myself included) feel that the BGM in Super SFII is inferior to the BGM in SFII: SCE. Seems like it would have been better to stick with FM synthesis for the BGM, like in SFII: SCE... or did SFII: SCE make use of the PSG in the BGM too, and I just never noticed it?

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All good Genesis soundtracks use the PSG. - I highly doubt that PSG is the reason why you don't like the soundtrack: It's not like they used it instead of FM. In fact they don't use it a lot at all, but they do in some tracks. Like many others, Cammy's tune is among those that does not use the PSG at all. - I'd say it's used in about 1/3rd to half of the tracks at best.

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

I need to listen to some more examples of the PSG's capabilities... maybe check out some SMS vids on Youtube. Any suggestions?

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- Sonic 1
- Power Strike II
- Phantasy Star
- Dragon's Trap
- Asterix
- Alex Kidd in Miracle World
- etc. pp.

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

I'm aware that the Genesis is capable of stereo output; I've heard stereo effects in other games. But I can't hear any stereo effects in SFII: SCE. The output from the left and right channels sounds identical from both the headphone jack on a model 1 and a stereo AV cable on a model 2. That's why I described the output as monaural. Someone please correct me if they can identify anywhere in SFII: SCE edition where stereo effects are being generated.

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Most tracks make some minor usage of the stereo separation by doubling the lead FM synth with minor differences on each stereo channel.

PSG leads never are stereo as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

*EDIT: I downloaded your package of SFII recordings. I let the download run while I was eating supper. The Super SFII recordings sound much better than anything I've been able to get out of any of my Genesis consoles, including my HDG model 1. Which of those recordings were made from actual cartridges on stock Genesis hardware?

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I recorded them via a flash cart and MIKE-STAMP's VGM Play on my HDG Genesis so it should be 100% accurate:

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Got my MD-Pro back. Here are some recordings: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PLGB87XL

I used VGMplay and my model 1 High Definition Graphics Genesis (with TMSS). I had my Genny plugged into my 70s Pioneer amp and from there into my PC. The amp was set to +2 bass so it's a slightly warmer sound that you'd get when going straight via headphones.

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The little differences there are in comparison to your model 1 recordings are probably caused by my recording technique: I recorded at 24-bit/96khz to preserve the original sound. With the analogue Pioneer Amp I do add the bass that I am used to when playing the games on my setup. I also raise the volume of the Amps output to record at the highest volume setting without introducing clipping. Thus I don't necessarily need to normalize the recordings later.

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

**EDIT: Here are some recordings I made from my two Genesis consoles (HDG Model 1; VA 1.8 Model 2), SNES, and the Arcade games (PS1 Street Fighter II Collections).

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Great! Thanks for sharing!

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

It's important to note that prior to normalization, the Super SFII tracks on the Genesis were so muffled that they were nearly inaudible. None of my Super SFII recordings from the Genesis sound anything like their raw output from either console.

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In the context of a recording made for comparision, normalization does make a lot of sense to have the same volume for all tracks. However, when actually playing the game on the real hardware you usually have the TV or an additional stereo amplifier to adjust the sound volume (and EQ setttings) to your preferences. In this context volume isn't of much importance at all.



I decided not to go into detail on each track so here are my comments on SNES, Genesis model 1, and model 2 in general:

I think the SNES sounds like you'd expect from the SNES. I played SF2:WW on SNES first, so to me that's how the game's supposed to sound (see Ken's tune).

However, I do think that in the review the Genesis does a MUCH better job at the music (unlike most people say).

The only thing that keeps the Genesis versions down in comparision are the terrible voice samples. The ADPCM encoded 16-bit samples are a major advantage of the SNES versions, and probably the number one reason why people experience the SNES versions as aurally superior: The Genesis versions' scratchy voices are barely tolerable.

Comparing the Genny versions of SF:CE and SSF, Capcom did put some work into improving the voice samples, and 40Mbit probably did a lot to ease the pain of squeezing that many samples into the game, but personally I think that even the 1992 16Mbit SF:WW on SNES sounds a dozen times better than the 40Mbit SSF on MD/G from 1994.



In my opinion, the model 2 recordings are completely intolerable. The music sounds muffled, heavily distorted and quite a few instruments aren't audible at all.

The only reason why it could possibly be easier on the ears like you say is becaused you're forced to turn down the volume until it becomes tolerable. If I turn up the volume on my amp just slightly, the distortion becomes clearly audible on all instruments, including lead synth, bass, kick drum and snare.

If I then switch back to the model 1 recording it's like someone openend the door to a concert hall: Every instrument sounds much cleaner, brighter, richer. The distortion's gone. There's a new depth. And I immediately notice instruments that I previously couldn't hear at all.

Just try it: Force yourself to turn up the volume on a model 2 recording and then switch to the model 1 recording after a couple of minutes.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

From my personal experience I do hear a difference between my 24bit recordings at 96khz and a 16-bit / 48khz downsampled version. That would make a lot of sense considering the Genesis outputs at 53khz.

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Indeed.

I got around to doing some preliminary downsampling (to 22kHz) of the 44.1kHz recordings taken from my Model 1, and I can definitely detect a difference. Looks like I'll have to add a blurb to my article about the audio quality of the various Genesis revisions, something I was hoping too avoid. :daze:

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

I am not sure what you mean: Why would the average player not care for the music in a game, and whether or not it is muffled and distorted or not ?

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Largely because they aren't aware that the audio they are hearing is of poor quality. The average player doesn't have multiple Genesis consoles on which to base a comparison. Without a basis for comparison, I imagine that the average player would have trouble pinpointing their console's deficiencies. Moreover, the average player is probably hearing their Genesis through relatively poor quality TV amp and speakers, which ends up masking many of the deficiencies anyway.

Even if the average player is made aware of the differences, I suspect that most wouldn't be bothered by them enough to seek out an HDG Model 1 or have their current console modded. To you and me, the subtlest differences in audio quality between one revision and another may make all the difference, but the audio heard in even the most inferior revision is probably "good enough" for most people, in most contexts.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

And couldn't the same be said about the differences between the Genesis/SNES/arcade version's soundtrack in general, which would make a comparision between the three totally unnecessary because we could assume that the average player wouldn't care anyway ?

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Good point, and though I hate to admit it, largely true, as evidenced by numerous comments I've heard to the effect of, "who cares about this?"

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Cammy's track definitely features an FM lead and not a PSG one. You can immediatly tell if you're familiar with the typical PSG sound.

Just checked in in_vgm v036: It's neither PSG nor PCM but FM acually, like in many early Mega Drive games where they used FM instead of PCM to save valuable space on a tiny 4Mbit cartridge. Capcom probably did it to keep PCM free for voice samples. Other games just switched from drums to voices and back (see Streets of Rage II or Shui Hu Feng Yun Zhuan).

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Shows you what I know. :) Seems like the Super SFII tracks are PSG where I thought they were FM, and vice-versa. I would have wagered that Cammy's lead was PSG, and I'm shocked that the snare is FM. This new knowledge reinforces my opinion that Capcom dropped the ball, more or less, when it came to the BGM in Super SFII. The arrangements are solid, but I think that the mixing is poor and that a much better job could have been done with the sound of many of the instruments, especially the percussion.

Nevertheless, I'm going to re-record and normalize all of my Super SFII recordings before I come to any lasting conclusions about any of this.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

All good Genesis soundtracks use the PSG. - I highly doubt that PSG is the reason why you don't like the soundtrack: It's not like they used it instead of FM. In fact they don't use it a lot at all, but they do in some tracks. Like many others, Cammy's tune is among those that does not use the PSG at all. - I'd say it's used in about 1/3rd to half of the tracks at best.

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All very interesting. Thanks for the knowledge.

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- Sonic 1
- Power Strike II
- Phantasy Star
- Dragon's Trap
- Asterix
- Alex Kidd in Miracle World
- etc. pp.

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Thanks. I'll check these out.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Most tracks make some minor usage of the stereo separation by doubling the lead FM synth with minor differences on each stereo channel.

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I'll have to pay very close attention. Can you give me a specific example of a track that is doing this?

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

I recorded them via a flash cart and MIKE-STAMP's VGM Play on my HDG Genesis so it should be 100% accurate:

The little differences there are in comparison to your model 1 recordings are probably caused by my recording technique: I recorded at 24-bit/96khz to preserve the original sound. With the analogue Pioneer Amp I do add the bass that I am used to when playing the games on my setup. I also raise the volume of the Amps output to record at the highest volume setting without introducing clipping. Thus I don't necessarily need to normalize the recordings later.

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Ahh... that explains the differences I'm hearing.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

In the context of a recording made for comparision, normalization does make a lot of sense to have the same volume for all tracks. However, when actually playing the game on the real hardware you usually have the TV or an additional stereo amplifier to adjust the sound volume (and EQ setttings) to your preferences. In this context volume isn't of much importance at all.

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I understand, but even so, the BGM in Super SFII is extremely muffled. Increasing the overall volume doesn't help much because then the sound effects become too loud.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

The only thing that keeps the Genesis versions down in comparision are the terrible voice samples. The ADPCM encoded 16-bit samples are a major advantage of the SNES versions, and probably the reason why people experience the SNES versions as aurally superior: The Genesis scratchy voices are barely tolerable.

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That's essentially the same conclusion I reached in my comparison.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

In my opinion, the model 2 recordings are completely intolerable. The music sounds muffled, heavily distorted and quite a few instruments aren't audible at all.

The only reason why it's easier on the ears is that I am forced to turn down the volume until it becomes tolerable. If I turn up the volume on my amp just slightly, the distortion becomes clearly audible on all instruments, including lead synth, bass, kick drum and snare.

If I then switch back to the model 1 recording it's like someone openend the door to a concert hall: Every instrument sounds much cleaner, brighter, richer. The distortion's gone. There's a new depth. And I immediately notice instruments that I previously couldn't hear at all.

Just try it: Force yourself to turn up the volume on a model 2 recording and then switch to the model 1 recording after a couple of minutes.

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In general, I agree, but on some Super SFII tracks, the instruments and mixing are so poor (Cammy) that the Model 2 rendition is just easier on my ears.

the genesis version of nba jam crushes the snes version

Your youtube video isn't doing you any favors, when it comes to Mega Bomberman. The level in the video has a ton of slowdown, so much that the music is crawling along with it.

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In my humble opinion, Mega Bomberman is better than Super Bomberman 3 on the Super Famicom. The stages scroll in Mega Bomberman, but in Super Bomberman 3 they are single screen. The action is faster in Mega Bomberman as well. They both have slowdown when things get kind of hectic though. The only areas I will give the Super Bomberman the higher grade are the more colorful graphics (the mode 7 in the intro rocks my world!) and better music/sound. Game play wise, it's the Genesis/Mega Drive version all the way!

Super Bomberman 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXVHgRHGZU

Mega Bomberman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fMBJa6dzU

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Mega Bomberman is a port of the PC-Engine version of Bomberman '94. Wasn't there port to the SNES of that version too?

Mega Bomberman is a really cool game, but I've heard unanimously that it's actually inferior to the PC-Engine original in multiple aspects (haven't played that version myself unfortunately so I couldn't say for sure)

I got Mega Bomberman today and so far I think it's a decent game.

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Originally Posted by jesus.arnold

Mega Bomberman is a really cool game, but I've heard unanimously that it's actually inferior to the PC-Engine original in multiple aspects (haven't played that version myself unfortunately so I couldn't say for sure)

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Many effects and most of the background animation is missing in Mega Bomberman. The PCE version was jam packed with superfluous touches, almost all of which were cut for MB. They did a poor job re-balancing the colors and it has slowdown at times, with most of the final area slowing to a crawl most of the time. They did a great job with the sound though and the music is as good as or better than the PCE version depending on personal taste.

http://superpcenginegrafx.com/img/bm94_area1_bridge.gifhttp://superpcenginegrafx.com/img/mb_area1_bridge.gifhttp://superpcenginegrafx.com/img/bm..._waterfall.gifhttp://superpcenginegrafx.com/img/mb..._waterfall.gifhttp://superpcenginegrafx.com/img/bm94_area2_block.gifhttp://superpcenginegrafx.com/img/mb_area2_block.gif


Even with all the downgrades, Mega Bomberman still looks and plays great (except the final area of the story mode).

I've got matching videos that quickly show pretty much the entire game for both Bomberman '94 and Mega Bomberman. At 4:28 you can see the slowdown in the final area of Mega Bomberman, although to fully appreciate the difference, you should check out the same part in the Bomberman '94 video first. ;)

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

Mega Bomberman is a port of the PC-Engine version of Bomberman '94. Wasn't there port to the SNES of that version too?

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Super Bomberman 3 uses the same style as Bomberman '94 and so does SB4 to a lesser extent. There's also an obscure import only Bomberman that's the same style as BM'94 & Saturn Bomberman. Other than that there's no direct port of BM'94 for SFC/SNES.

Well IMO the Genesis version of SF2 was better simply because it controlled better IMO with the 6 button. Now i'd take MK2 over the Genesis version any day of the week and i'd take it over the shitty 32X port and sloppy Saturn port.

It looks as if Hudson did a quick and dirty port of Bomberman 94 when bringing it to the Genesis/Mega Drive. I do own Bomberman 94 for my PC Engine/Duo and think it's better than both the Mega Bomberman and Super Bomberman 3.