Just thought i'd say that I just finished this feature for my website as its kinda' pertaining to this thread
http://retro-sanctuary.com/16-bit%20...m-ups%201.html
Printable View
Just thought i'd say that I just finished this feature for my website as its kinda' pertaining to this thread
http://retro-sanctuary.com/16-bit%20...m-ups%201.html
No Raiden Trad (Genesis and SNES), Wings of Wor, Grind Stormer, Heavy Unit, Twin Hawk, Curse, Verytex, Blazeon, Rayxanber II, Rayxanber III, Super Darius, Super Darius II, Sagaia/Darius II, Twin Darius, Super Nova (Darius Force), Steel Empire, Arrow Flash, Granada, Atomic Robo Kid, Bio-Ship Paladin, Darwin 4081, Insector-X, Phelios, Sol-Deace/Sol-Feace, Task Force Harrier EX, Thunder Force II, Twin Cobra, Trouble Shooter, Battle Mania, Undeadline, Viewpoint, Fire Mustang, Master of Weapon, Earth Defense Force, The Earth Defend, XDR, Xenon 2, Mega Swiv/Firepower 2000, and the other missing shmups from that era?
For shaaaaaaame...
I just wrote a 50 game article and I can't believe I'm doing this :mad:
Super Raiden is on the list no need for those trash versionsQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Is a good game but does very little to make it worth mentioning as a stand out titleQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Is alright and I thought about adding it but didn't see it as being particularly amazingQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
are complete and utter shitQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
MEHQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Is ok but really doesn't belong on a list that already has Gunhed and Soldier BladeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Are pretty mediocre tbh, though Rayxanber III was borderline, it's appaling sound effects were just enough to tip the scales and remove it from the listQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Darius games are the very definition of mediocrity, games with pathetic attack waves and even more pathetic weapons power-ups which lack any king of interesting features or strategy, you know its bad when the most striking element of a game is a gimmicky fish themeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Nice theme, good game, shame the gameplay is very much standard fareQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Is not a scrolling shooter, and is already mentioned in my top down shooter section.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
are nothing specialQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
The top down levels are boring as hell and whats left over is done better in TFIV and TFIIIQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Is good, and nearly made the list but I didn't see it as being that up to date for a list of 4th generation shooters not to mention the fact I already had Super Raiden and Fire Shark on the list which are fairly similar games in theme and execution.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
These two are the same game :? and the sequel is betterQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Is overrated and well and truly falls into the realm of trial and error gameplayQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Does not fit the criteria as its a isometric gameQuote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Nearly made this list but tbh the levels are a bit dull and I feel it takes too long to power-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
You have some pretty seriously low standards, god I'd be wasting peoples time if I was like you :?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Like me, huh? Nice attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by jesus.arnold
Every game I listed were all the 16-bit shmups I could think of offhand that weren't on your list. The reason, was that I thought you had made a list of the shmups in that era, not a "here's are the ones I like"-only list.
But hey, my bad :?
Forget about it, I should've been clearer about what it was about in the forward which I rushed, and I was pretty much on edge anyway tbh, I'm used to getting a lot of criticism when these things go up on my site, and i've pretty much got to the stage where I dread telling anyone they exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Pardon me, man, but that's one of the stupidest things I have ever read in these forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by jesus.arnold
If you don't like the "gimmicky fish theme" that's OK, I can't argue with that.
But I won't admit people trashing Darius games on the basis of "pathetic attack waves", "even more pathetic weapons power-ups" or "lack any king (!) of interesting features or strategy".
You'd rather thank gaming heaven that the MD ever got a port of Darius 2. And a great one at that matter.
Happily, knowledge of the Darius series' overwhelming mediocrity is pretty widespread in the gaming community and the series as a whole gets the lack of respect that it entirely deserves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kollision
How a high quality company like Taito churned out so many carbon copy Darius games with such a lack of any kind of improvement or implementation of new ideas is beyond me.
Though I haven't actually played the one on Saturn, which most people seem to state is the only Darius game worth playing so I'll reserve my judgement on the series as a whole until I've experienced that one.
The Darius games are among my favorite shmups. Especially Darius II on Mega Drive is excellent. In my opinion it's the best version of Darius II and among the very best Mega Drive games.
You probably played like five minutes at best.
So what is it that you like so much about the game? I beat it recently and thought it was pretty bland. Many levels play out the same way, the weapons are generic and graphically it's not far from the 8-bit generation. The pace is relatively slow as well.
I did like the theme though, and the music is pretty good. While it doesnt come close to pushing the hardware it has a fairly unique style and sets the mood well.
I'm getting more and more interested in the Shmup genre. Is there such a thing as a Sega Genesis/MD shmup anthology? On that same note, are there any shmup anthologies out there? (besides Raiden Fighter Aces, of course. I watched CGRHD's review on it. What an awesome anthology!)
[edit] Woa! I would've sworn I posted this under the old Shmup thread. Anyways, same question. :D
Well, if you get the two Taito Legends and Taito Legends 2 for the PC, you'll get a good number of shmups (old and newer) from Taito's lineup. And if you by the PS2 version of Taito Legends 2, you'll get four exclusive games not on the PC version (two of which are shmups). There are also a few shmup collections for the Saturn (Arcade Gears: Image Fight & X-Multiply, Gradius Deluxe Pack, Salamander Deluxe Pack Plus, Thunder Force Gold Pack 1 + 2, etc.), and the PS1 (The Raiden Project, R-Types, etc.) as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
Most of the shmups collections have stayed in Japan for the newer systems. The PS2 has a decent number of compilations (like the fantastic Sega Ages Vol. 33 Fantasy Zone Complete Collection, and a number of two-packs), and a shmup or two in the Taito Memories collections (ones like Darius II, which wasn't put into either "Legends" compilation), so you can check into that as well.
Excellent response man. Thanks. I think I'll start by looking up those Saturn anthologies.
God I wish I'd only played 5 minutes :D Forcing myself to play those games over and over whilst in the middle of playing like 50 other shmups consecutively was painful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser
I'm quite happy with it the way it stands, the Master System version of Sagaia included in the 3rd generation list (Gameplay wise it certainly feels at home here with similar non-complicated games, and the graphics are great for an 8-bit system)
None in the 4th Generation/16-bit section as the Darius games are most certainly crude, basic and outdated in comparison to what should be expected of this era (shmups were tending to become more strategy orientated, their power-up systems more interesting as the earlier Gradius and R-Type had set the standards for this time, and more action and set-pieces were often included to ramp up the adrenaline so to speak)
I haven't played Darius Gaiden or G Darius yet so Its possible I might want to include them in a 5th Generation list
if I feel up for making a 32-bit list that is, as even though I'd already played maybe 1/2 of the 16-bit shmups already the list I just finished still took me well over a month and a half of constant shmup playing, i'm not sure that I can justify spending this much time anymore making lists that seem to be read by literally about 4 people, 3 of which don't like them :lol:
:oTheres no Cotton games on your list:o
I can't quite put my finger on it. It's the overall package, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alianger
Gameplay and graphics are pretty solid, but like you said: what really stands out is the general theme and the awesome soundtrack.
Aside of the original three monitor arcade version (which I never played on real hardware), I think that this is the best version of Darius II. The game was perfectly translated to the FM2612/PSG/PCM combo and 320x224 resolution that the Mega Drive offers. Other versions might have an advantage here and there (better colors, CDDA) but the combination of the game's setting + 320x224 redesign + 2612 music is a winner in my book.
I bought this game in early '93 (along with Thunder Force IV) and even after all these years I doubt I've seen all levels.
That's a bit of a stretch I think - unless you're talking PC Engine or arcade 8-bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alianger
Personally I really enjoy the graphics. In comparison to other games of its time (1990) I think that Darius looks pretty detailed and elegant. The only games with a similar level of detail/elegance would be Namco's Dangerous Seed & Phelios.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3...dariusii19.png ( <- click me)
You probably could add Truxton to this comparison as it was released in late '89, only a few months before Darius.
- Also, isn't Mega Drive's graphics "8-bit" anyway ? (in regards to colors, not resolution obviously).