32X home brew ideas?

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10-22-2009, 06:57 PM
Chilly Willy

EGA/VGA games are certainly worth checking, but again, the main issue is is there enough RAM for the game? Doom will only work because I'm going to hack the shit out of it to MAKE it work. It's probably too much work for most devs, depending on how much they like the game. EGA/VGA games that ran in 640K should be fairly easy to do on the 32X. VGA games that ran in 4M may/will take a lot of work.

One thing I'm looking over for the CD 32X that would be nifty is scummvm. There are some things it does (like play mp3s) that you clearly can't do on the 32X, but many of the games it plays were meant for lower end systems. Again, memory may not allow this to be possible.

One thing to keep in mind - I'm still playing around with the Neo Myth - if I can figure out how to make the PSRAM in it work with the 32X, I may work on some "impossible" things - they'll just require that you have the Neo Myth to serve as extra RAM. It would be like those Saturn games that require the RAM cart. The Neo Myth has at least 5 MB of RAM addressable in it. That's more than enough to make many otherwise impossible games possible for the CD and/or 32X.
10-22-2009, 08:25 PM
kool kitty89

I think Wing Commander was able to work with with 640 kB, maybe WC II as well. (but WC I is kind of moot as there's already a nece version on Sega CD, the music change is dumb, but one should easily be able to hack that, swapping out the redbook files -preferably with the wonderful arranged tracks from the kilrathi saga re-releases)

That, and I don't think they've released the sourse, or a shareware version of the game. (technically you can get WC I/II free if you download one of the patches for Killrathi Saga, but I don't think they intened for people to do that)
10-22-2009, 09:21 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

Hey, there's an open sourse version of Jazz Jackribbit now too, not sure how well the 32x would handel it though. (if you were going to do it all on the 32x and not convert anything to be done by the Genesis VDP) Also not sure how openjaz compares to the original DOS version, but it looks liek the original had the same minimum system requirements as Doom. (33 MHz 386, 4 MB of RAM, VGA)

It actually looks like it would be doable on the 32X, at least until Feb this year. He changed it from C to C++ at that point. :mad:

The worst part is that he's corrected bugs and added stuff (like sound) since switching to C++. So to do it on the 32X, you'd really have to convert it back to C again. Looks like an interesting game for the 32X.
10-22-2009, 10:56 PM
PimpUigi

That would be a really cool addition to the 32X library.
10-23-2009, 09:04 AM
matteus

jazzy jack rabbit was a fab game :-) once your library for 32x cd development is finalised i'll definately look at it. Its been too long since i did anything written in C and would certainly like to get a hello world running if nothing else! So we're looking at open source ega/vga using only the standard 640k mmm i'm not sure if Decent has been mentioned? (i'm not a fan) i Haven't checked the requirements as i'm writing this from my mobile! it probably needed ems i'm guessing
10-23-2009, 12:55 PM
Da_Shocker

I think Decent was annouced for the 32X at one point.
10-23-2009, 01:57 PM
Chilly Willy

EGA/VGA, 640K, and written in C... those would be the easiest games to convert. :)
10-23-2009, 05:15 PM
kool kitty89

Descent might be avaiable in C, the quick search I came up with showed C++ though (but I think that's a more recent version, with the original source being released in 1997.

In any case it's another 33 MHz 386, 4MB, VGA minimum game like Doom and Jazz. (all 3 being shareware as well)
That would be another preferred requirement, right, having a free/shareware version available to avoid legal issues.

Edit: this seems to be a fairly useful page for Descent. (including original Descent I and II source releases) http://icculus.org/d2x/
10-23-2009, 06:00 PM
KnightWarrior

So Doom 32XCD would load a little faster with the added RAM from the Cart??

That would be funny if the 32XCD version of Doom would be better then the US Saturn version

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

EGA/VGA games are certainly worth checking, but again, the main issue is is there enough RAM for the game? Doom will only work because I'm going to hack the shit out of it to MAKE it work. It's probably too much work for most devs, depending on how much they like the game. EGA/VGA games that ran in 640K should be fairly easy to do on the 32X. VGA games that ran in 4M may/will take a lot of work.

One thing I'm looking over for the CD 32X that would be nifty is scummvm. There are some things it does (like play mp3s) that you clearly can't do on the 32X, but many of the games it plays were meant for lower end systems. Again, memory may not allow this to be possible.

One thing to keep in mind - I'm still playing around with the Neo Myth - if I can figure out how to make the PSRAM in it work with the 32X, I may work on some "impossible" things - they'll just require that you have the Neo Myth to serve as extra RAM. It would be like those Saturn games that require the RAM cart. The Neo Myth has at least 5 MB of RAM addressable in it. That's more than enough to make many otherwise impossible games possible for the CD and/or 32X.
10-23-2009, 08:26 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by KnightWarrior

So Doom 32XCD would load a little faster with the added RAM from the Cart??

You wouldn't need to process the graphics and sound, so you would THINK it would load faster. However, the main limit on loading is how slow the CD is. Remember that it only reads at 1X (150KB/sec), max. Compressing the graphics and sound will add to that, but it won't be like twice as long. The main thing the Neo Myth would do is make it easier to program as the game wouldn't need to be hacked to fit in the tight memory.

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That would be funny if the 32XCD version of Doom would be better then the US Saturn version

Well, the Saturn version is designed to work in tight memory as well, just not as tight as the 32X. :D

The Saturn version could have been as good as the PC if they had supported the 4M RAM cart.
10-23-2009, 08:45 PM
doomguy

i think that version has more to do with bad programing ah well atleast the japanese version is better
10-26-2009, 10:37 PM
kool kitty89

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Well, the Saturn version is designed to work in tight memory as well, just not as tight as the 32X. :D

The Saturn version could have been as good as the PC if they had supported the 4M RAM cart.

As I understand it, the Saturn version was rather poor as it was an unptimized conversion of the PSX port. (though the japanese release is supposed to be a bit better in terms of framerate -still a good deal lower than PSX though)
10-27-2009, 08:20 PM
matteus

completely off subject but has anyone seen the ZX specturm version of doom? it amused me no end!

wolf 3d spectrum 128k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n53-M6W2wEU

doom spectrum 128k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw
10-27-2009, 09:24 PM
doomguy

i think a good fighter or fps would be great on the 32x but an rpg may be worth thinking about as i dont think their is one for the 32x at all talk about filling a gap lol
10-27-2009, 09:39 PM
kool kitty89

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Originally Posted by matteus

completely off subject but has anyone seen the ZX specturm version of doom? it amused me no end!

wolf 3d spectrum 128k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n53-M6W2wEU

doom spectrum 128k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw

I've seen those, and the Wolf3D one is particularly impressive IMO (sure the screen is tiny and it's 1-bit color, but it still looks pretty good, and is pretty smooth) That's a newer homebrew game though, "Doom" came out around th etime th eoriginal did, and more as a promotional demo than anything else iirc, not a port at all, but an original game. (pretty neat for what it is)
10-30-2009, 11:05 AM
Speedle

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Originally Posted by matteus

completely off subject but has anyone seen the ZX specturm version of doom? it amused me no end!

wolf 3d spectrum 128k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n53-M6W2wEU

doom spectrum 128k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7cFGneuaw

it never ceases to amaze what some fans can do! simply amazing conidiering the hardware! i loved my speccy :)
10-30-2009, 06:32 PM
kool kitty89

That Doom on the Specturm wasn't homebrew, but an official game released in 1996 as I understand it.
11-07-2009, 09:31 PM
SketchTurner94

Would Street Fighter II Turbo be able to fit on a 32X cart?
11-07-2009, 10:09 PM
Da_Shocker

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Originally Posted by SketchTurner94

Would Street Fighter II Turbo be able to fit on a 32X cart?

Yes
11-08-2009, 01:48 AM
zetastrike

Would it be possible make a port of Mega Man 8 or X4/X5 using the 32XCD? That would be sweet. I always thought the whole 32XCD was a complete waste of potential. They could have made some great games, but they thought we wanted a less grainy version of Night Trap.
11-08-2009, 02:04 AM
Chilly Willy

No source = no port! If there's no source, DON'T BOTHER ASKING IF A DEV DOESN'T BRING IT UP FIRST!!! It WON'T be worked on.
11-09-2009, 04:15 PM
Bablefish

I have an idea and it came from another part of this forum. What about a 32X controller guided version of the Japanese arcade game Segasonic
11-09-2009, 04:29 PM
TmEE

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

No source = no port! If there's no source, DON'T BOTHER ASKING IF A DEV DOESN'T BRING IT UP FIRST!!! It WON'T be worked on.

:roll:
11-09-2009, 09:03 PM
Honey the Cat

Look at ZBlood. It's a recreation of Blood for ZDoom, but the source code for the original Blood was never released, yet it saw a fan remake. Also, how do you think the 32x would handle the original System Shock?
11-09-2009, 09:31 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by Honey the Cat

Look at ZBlood. It's a recreation of Blood for ZDoom, but the source code for the original Blood was never released, yet it saw a fan remake. Also, how do you think the 32x would handle the original System Shock?

Like I said, if a dev mentions it, it might get made, so you can talk about it. Otherwise, it would need to have source. And just a quick look at SS leads me to think you'd need more memory.
11-09-2009, 11:51 PM
zetastrike

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

No source = no port! If there's no source, DON'T BOTHER ASKING IF A DEV DOESN'T BRING IT UP FIRST!!! It WON'T be worked on.

Ah, I was being high pathetical. I realize it won't happen. I was just asking for an opinion if it could be done to good effect.
11-10-2009, 01:38 AM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by zetastrike

Ah, I was being high pathetical. I realize it won't happen. I was just asking for an opinion if it could be done to good effect.

You weren't any worse than anyone else, I just hit my limit of people asking about things that have roughly 0% chance of ever getting done. ;) :D

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. :(
11-10-2009, 01:15 PM
matteus

i'd mentioned beneath a steel sky, i think it uses the scum. I'm sure you'd mentioned that in a previous post some where :-)
11-10-2009, 01:28 PM
NeoVamp

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Originally Posted by matteus

i'd mentioned beneath a steel sky, i think it uses the scum. I'm sure you'd mentioned that in a previous post some where :-)

No Beneath a Steel Sky does not use Scumm, its supported in ScummVM
but the engine inside the game is not Scumm.

Also why would anyone want an adventure on the 32X? thats Sega CD territory.
11-10-2009, 02:10 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

No Beneath a Steel Sky does not use Scumm, its supported in ScummVM
but the engine inside the game is not Scumm.

Also why would anyone want an adventure on the 32X? thats Sega CD territory.

You need the 32X for the graphics. Scummvm seems like a pretty nifty project for the CD32X.
11-11-2009, 12:02 AM
KnightWarrior

Who was the one that made a jpg file on the 32X, So you can view it??
11-11-2009, 08:23 PM
matteus

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

You need the 32X for the graphics. Scummvm seems like a pretty nifty project for the CD32X.

I rest my case :) everyone dust off their mega-mouse
11-11-2009, 10:11 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by matteus

I rest my case :) everyone dust off their mega-mouse

When I first got my MegaMouse, I thought the same thing. I even went to the scummvm web page and looked over the code. It'll take some work, so I decided to put it off. At least until after I've got a good working CD32X base running.
11-12-2009, 01:16 PM
Dirt Ball Gamer

Sorry if this is dumb (as I know next to nothing about tech stuff), but I believe the source code to the super mario games 1-world is available online. It would be neat to have them all on a compilation disc for 32xcd. Although it is a little pointless as most people own a SNES and these games. I guess I just wonder if the 32x could do a good version of SMW, or if the hardware is too different.
11-12-2009, 01:28 PM
PimpUigi

I think it would be pretty funny and cool to have SMW, DKC, and SMW2 on 32X.
While we're at it, Link to the Past, and Super Metroid.

Then there's no reason to own a SNES ever again.
11-12-2009, 01:31 PM
TmEE

well, good luck converting those disasms and stuff to incompatible architecture......
11-12-2009, 01:43 PM
Dirt Ball Gamer

Don't worry, if I get started on it tonight it should be ready sometime in the next 97 years earth time. All I have to do is learn how to code and stuff first.
11-12-2009, 02:00 PM
Chilly Willy

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Originally Posted by Dirt Ball Gamer

Don't worry, if I get started on it tonight it should be ready sometime in the next 97 years earth time. All I have to do is learn how to code and stuff first.

:D

Well, everyone starts somewhere, and if it's something you like, it may provide the incentive to keep at it.

The architecture is pretty different, but that doesn't mean it can't be done, just that it's more work to do it.
11-12-2009, 05:39 PM
kool kitty89

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Originally Posted by PimpUigi

I think it would be pretty funny and cool to have SMW

Well there is that funky "Super Mario World 64" pirate cart for MD/Genesis, but that's not 32x of course. (and other odd pirate/homebrew/hacks to SMW for NES and DKC for NES -and a DKC knockoff pirate MD/Genesis game)
11-12-2009, 07:01 PM
Dirt Ball Gamer

I wonder why they left out Yoshi in the "Super Mario World 64" pirate cart. That always bugged me but other than that it was a pretty nifty hack.

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