Say NO to Project Natal!

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01-08-2010, 12:28 AM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by JackieBogard

I honestly see nothing wrong with casual gaming consoles.. to be honest i'm getting tired of all the lame ass fps/rpgs/action games that are basically the same shit over and over.

and why exclude your family from having fun to, or having a great time with your son, without having to resort to some first person multi player game?

gaming is meant to be fun, who cares if "hardcore" gamers think its a gimmick, that is what games are made for..fun.

I know I've said it 1000 times in this thread and others, but I'll say it again (eventually SOMEONE is going to actually read it): the problem isn't expanding markets or innovative controllers, it's the half-assed nature of them. Arcades have been utilizing creative controllers for years, and you know what? they're awesome. Arcades kick ass. On the other hand, the Wii and (I'm sure) the Natal employ technology that was just a bad idea to begin with and pair it to some very lame games that could've been programmed by a high school student in a programming class. I do solid modeling on a daily basis for my engineering job and I could model everything in alot of these games in an afternoon, it's such a pathetic cop out. You don't have to have 6000 items and some convoluted 1000 hour story to have a good game, in fact, I prefer games that can be played through in 30 minutes (pre 1995 arcade games), but those arcade games are actually good, the Wii games aren't.
01-08-2010, 01:50 AM
QuickSciFi

OMG! This thread lives on! Lol. :D
01-08-2010, 04:34 AM
kool kitty89

17days, aren't there examples of such arcade style games on XBLA, WiiWare, and/or PSN? (and your favorite, the iPhone)
Especially from so called "indie" developers. (eg I MAED A GAM3 W1TH Z0MB1ES!!!1)
01-08-2010, 06:50 PM
Elusive

I just had a brilliant idea on how to use Natal in a fun, believable way.

Road Rash: you control the bike using the controller, but Natal tech is used to reflect your position on the bike - or most likely, attack the other riders. For example, you can keep a grip on the controller but lash out using your elbow to melee to one side - I'd keep a cardboard tube near the sofa to wield as a club, lol. Tiping back in your seat wheelies, etc. Mix that with a gigantic open Paradise City-a-like and I'd pre-pre-order the thing.
01-08-2010, 07:06 PM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by kool kitty89

17days, aren't there examples of such arcade style games on XBLA, WiiWare, and/or PSN? (and your favorite, the iPhone)
Especially from so called "indie" developers. (eg I MAED A GAM3 W1TH Z0MB1ES!!!1)

That's not the games I'm talking about, and those don't use special controllers either (usually). When you buy a $50 full fledged game, it shouldn't be a bunch of Miis involved in an oversimplified task with graphics the PSX would laugh at. As I've said before, the reason iPhone games get a pass for being what they are is because they are mostly less than $5 or even as low as 99¢ or free. If a game does anything for 99¢, it's pretty much worth it. Oh, and the iPhone is a PHONE, a dedicated game system should be at least a little more sophisticated.

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Originally Posted by Elusive

I just had a brilliant idea on how to use Natal in a fun, believable way.

Road Rash: you control the bike using the controller, but Natal tech is used to reflect your position on the bike - or most likely, attack the other riders. For example, you can keep a grip on the controller but lash out using your elbow to melee to one side - I'd keep a cardboard tube near the sofa to wield as a club, lol. Tiping back in your seat wheelies, etc. Mix that with a gigantic open Paradise City-a-like and I'd pre-pre-order the thing.

Natal is a slightly more sophisticated eye toy, to do what you're talking about you'd basically just be flailing around to hit "hot spots" for the proper response. I don't think you want to wave like a spastic 5 year old seeing his friend after school at the guy you're trying to hit with a club.
01-09-2010, 11:32 AM
Elusive

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Natal is a slightly more sophisticated eye toy, to do what you're talking about you'd basically just be flailing around to hit "hot spots" for the proper response. I don't think you want to wave like a spastic 5 year old seeing his friend after school at the guy you're trying to hit with a club.

'More sophisticated'? Yes, in the sense that it's much more than a USB webcam that doesn't even process the image it receives itself. Have you even watched the developer videos where they go in-depth into the work put in to differentiate Natal from the EyeToy, or are you shitposting in this thread for the sake of it?

And yes, I probably would use my body in games in the way I described. Because a) I'm going to be playing in my own home, b) unless somebody's watching through the window I doubt anyone else would care what I'm doing - not that I'd care because see a - and c) because I'm not some world-weary Internet Cynic; in the end it would be fun.
01-11-2010, 03:45 PM
FoxHound
01-11-2010, 04:33 PM
j_factor

The more I see, the less I'm interested.
01-12-2010, 04:57 PM
16-bit
01-12-2010, 05:03 PM
doomguy

it looks good i will probibly pick it and the ps3 motion controls up. both look good but natal looks a bit expensive
01-12-2010, 06:05 PM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by j_factor

The more I see, the less I'm interested.

the more I see, the more I call bullshit.

Sorry to disappoint kiddos, this shit will not work, I've used too many similar technologies to know this type of stuff will never work without special clothing in front of a green screen, and even then it will be shallow, unresponsive, and ultimately pointless. I know you all want to dream of virtual worlds, but I assure you that this will not acheive what you're looking for (like the road rash idea).
01-13-2010, 02:04 PM
Elusive

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

the more I see, the more I call bullshit.

Sorry to disappoint kiddos, this shit will not work, I've used too many similar technologies to know this type of stuff will never work without special clothing in front of a green screen, and even then it will be shallow, unresponsive, and ultimately pointless. I know you all want to dream of virtual worlds, but I assure you that this will not acheive what you're looking for (like the road rash idea).

"It stinks! It stinks! It stinks!" "Yes, 17days, everyone knows it stinks." :roll:

For those of us who haven't apparently 'used similar technologies' (whoop-de-shit, I had an Eyetoy too) and can thus discount the entire fucking thing, here's a look inside 'the brain' from Popular Science, going through exactly how it builds up a digital model of your body.
01-13-2010, 02:54 PM
17daysolderthannes

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Originally Posted by Elusive

"It stinks! It stinks! It stinks!" "Yes, 17days, everyone knows it stinks." :roll:

For those of us who haven't apparently 'used similar technologies' (whoop-de-shit, I had an Eyetoy too) and can thus discount the entire fucking thing, here's a look inside 'the brain' from Popular Science, going through exactly how it builds up a digital model of your body.

Similar technology has been around for decades, but it requires key reference points in front of a solid color screen to work properly. What if you are wearing a loose shirt? what if the dog runs in front of you? what if there is a TV in the background? what if the lighting changes in the room? It just has bad written all over it, it's no different from the lacking nature of the wiimote. Everyone thought it would be a full 3-space magic wand, and instead it's a weak infrared zapper with worthless motion controls that have been beaten by a smartphone (iphone). Natal will never work in the real world they way everyone thinks it will. At best this will be the next voice command, and I have yet to see that work for shit for anyone.
01-13-2010, 03:42 PM
FoxHound

I like the Sony PS3 motion setup where you actually hold something that wont be affected in controls like the Wiimote. Where I need to turn every light off near the TV/Wii to get more accurate control
01-15-2010, 04:22 PM
Elusive

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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes

Similar technology has been around for decades, but it requires key reference points in front of a solid color screen to work properly. What if you are wearing a loose shirt? what if the dog runs in front of you? what if there is a TV in the background? what if the lighting changes in the room? It just has bad written all over it, it's no different from the lacking nature of the wiimote.

Have you ever hit the wrong key on your keyboard, maiking your speloling slightly inprrect? Do you then proceed to throw your keyboard out of the window and discount the whole idea as that of madmen and who wants a stuipid keyboard anyway?

...no, because that would be silly, and you're striking me as thinking up deliberate scenarios and using it to discount the whole thing. What if it's made of chocolate and I turn up the central heating? what then?!?

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Everyone thought it would be a full 3-space magic wand,

No, that was Nintendo being Nintendo and refusing to unveil the controller after promising something REALLY BIG! that HADN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE! and only giving the vaguest of ideas so obviously people were going to speculate. Remember how the PS3 controller was prototyped as a ridiculous boomerang shape?

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and instead it's a weak infrared zapper with worthless motion controls that have been beaten by a smartphone (iphone).

Irrelevant. One of these devices is not like the other. Anecdote. Whoo, iphone reference. Whooo.

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