And thank you for the quote from a customer service rep without any engineering background. They also say not to use rubbing alcohol on the sticker on the back of the cartridges :roll: . Even the designers may not know the answer because they were probably all electrical engineers and electrical engineers don't know jack shit about mechanical properties of metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by the.importer
So, again: cartridge in, doesn't matter [/thread]
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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
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Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
Anybody else know a lot of pompous know-it-all types with an education cert, who let that fact pad their ego when it comes to discussing anything remotely similar in nature? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by 17braincellsfunctioning
Pretty sure that the Rep doesn't know dick, but she's reading what the experts at Nintendo wrote, you know, the ones that make billions by making the consoles, controllers and games.Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
So not to burst your bubble or anything, but unless you got some facts or researches you can post in this topic, I'll go with what Nintendo has to say.
Knuckle Duster Goes to the Doctor...Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
Doctor: well, it appears you have heartburn
Knuckle Duster: YOU DON'T KNOW! WHO TOLD YOU! DEGREE!? BAH! I HAVE AN ALIEN EMBEDDED IN MY CHEST BECAUSE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE REP TOLD ME SO!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_hardeningQuote:
Originally Posted by the.importer
http://www.tpub.com/content/doe/h101...017v1_70_5.jpg
http://www.fitec.co.jp/ftm/english/n.../property1.gif
don't understand it? get your pals at Nintendo to explain it.
[/shut the fuck up][/die in a fire][/I do this for a living][/why do you think the72-pin connector sucks so hard][/they also say not to use rubbing alcohol, do the math]
And by the way, did you specify "cartridge game" vs. just saying "game." They probably recommend taking out the CD in case the Wii bricks during an update or the power goes out and you can't get your game out.
mine did when my genesis got taken away i left sonic in the cart slot for say 7 years and it was corroded
1 question: where was it stored? attic? garage?Quote:
Originally Posted by xXxTWO FACExXx
My NES was stored with a cartridge in the slot for about 10 years and it works like new, and we all know NES consoles are 10X worse in that regard. Also, I'm talking about leaving it in for a few days or weeks, not 3 centuries. Either way, corrosion is a function of ambient moisture. What happened to your console would've happened whether the game was in or out. At least with the cart in there is some sort of barrier to keep moisture out (not air tight by any means, but it's something). You think those little flaps do anything to protect? nope.
Yeah, in circumstances where that occurs they would have likely corroded regardless. (except the small gaps between the connectors possibly trapping moisture for longer periods) Well, unless the cart pins and slot connector had different surfaces. (if one was bare copper and the other gold/silver, that would be a problem)Quote:
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So you do this for a living right?Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
Oh ya, I can imagine that you have a very important job of standing in front an assembly line and solder a chip on the same freaking board for 7 hours a day :roll:
As for your link, Wikipedia is usually not an accepted source on forums, smart engineer guy like you should know this, especially when you're not even giving explanation in hopes that the complicated looking stuff on the page will keep people quiet.
PS: You shouldn't be using rubbing alcohol, not undiluted one anyway, 50/50 is usually the right number.
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Originally Posted by the.importer
I have a very important job designing oilfield equipment that costs several thousand dollars, thank you. One of my designs is being built as we speak, when it's done, I'll gladly link you to the demonstration video ;) .
Wikipedia not acceptable on forums, lmfao. Wikipedia>forums dumbass. Wikipedia isn't acceptable for a research paper. If you don't want to believe the Wikipedia page, follow the links in the sources. I can scan roughly the same pictures from my Mechanics of Materials book if you'd like.
I've already described those pictures in plain english, but you wanted sources, so there you go. Pin connectors only "stretch out" if you go past the elastic region of the metal, which is what that graph is about, btw. Show it to any Mechanical Engineer and they'll quickly recognize it as it is the foundation for several classes in the curriculum. As for moisture trapping, that is more of a Chemical Engineer's domain, but the bottom line is that moisture has to be in the air to get there in the first place, so unless you're spitting on your games or putting your sweaty hands on the PCB or storing them outside, in an attic, or in the proximity of an open window where moisture can come in from outside, you shouldn't have problems with it.
PS: not that you have any place to speak on such a matter, but I've been preaching 50% off the shelf rubbing alcohol for quite some time. Splitting it with tap water introduces mineral deposits that can REALLY do some damage. I just did console repair for 9 months before taking my engineering job, so what do I know?
PSS: don't start calling me a dick over this either, I politely posted several times that it will not hurt the system and cited the elastic region of materials as the reason. People just don't listen. Thanks for assuming I handle chips on an assembly line, what advanced degrees do you have to be qualified to speak on the matter exactly?
Umm... the main reason for using 50% rather than 70 or 91% (which has been becoming common) is that it evaporates more slowly, you shouldn't be able to damage the PCB or contacts from breif alcohol exposure. (isopropanol or ethanol, but methanol might be a bit more harmful, but probably more toward the case plastic if anything) Something like acetone or other strong solvents may be different stories, but that's not what was mentioned.Quote:
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Yeah, mainly if not humidity controlled (or stored in a sealed box), though even then it wouldn't be much of a problem in our climate, but hell in those with high humidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by 17daysolderthannes
Definitely (only distilled/deionized water), but even then I've found cleaning with even moderatle dampened cloth with water to be far more damaging to most game labels than isopropyl/ethyl alcohol. (softens the paper, while no labels so far have not been color fast -ie alcohol disolving the ink)Quote:
not that you have any place to speak on such a matter, but I've been preaching 50% off the shelf rubbing alcohol for quite some time. Splitting it with tap water introduces mineral deposits that can REALLY do some damage.
When I was young, It seemed that whenever my big brother left a game with saves in our SNES after he turned it off, all the save files would be erased the next time I turned it on. Is that related, or a freak coincidence?
17daysolderthannes is right! You don't remove the pci cards and ram modules from the computer when you power it off, do you?
*looks at the pentiumIII 533 at the back*
The ram modules actually protect their sockets from excessive dust from the cpu cooler, and everyone knows it gathers serious amounts of it after some time.
I have proof about the cart contacts dematerializing on my S&K cart (it got inserted and removed A LOT).. I'll try to post a pic of it tomorrow.
Is it ok to use acetone to clean cartridge pins? It's what I use to clean the god-awful price sticker residue off the sides of the used carts I buy.
It can happen if you jump the gun while it's saving and power off before it's done. The way to make sure you don't lose game saves is to save and then wait until it is 100% done and avoid lots of quick resets as allegedly that can delete them as well. Again, I've never had the problem, so I really can't name a cause. Every game I've ever had with a save battery still has its original saves unless I intentionally deleted them, which could've been what your brother did by mistake.Quote:
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someone sticking up for me? IMPOSSIBLE!Quote:
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http://intensities.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fry.jpg
"What's your angle?"
lol, exactly, people don't think about all of the other electronic devices that always have circuit boards in a cart slot 24/7. Almost every arcade in existence has had the same board in it since it was made, and those utilize similar connectors as well. It's the frequent insertion and removal that wears out the game and the cart slot, especially if it's done improperly.
I'm gonna say no. I haven't tried it nor do I have any anecdotes about it, but IIRC acetone is pretty harsh and would do more harm than good. 50% isopropyl is my liquid of choice. As for the carts themselves, goo gone is a much better option, doesn't the acetone discolor the labels/plastic? I can even use goo gone on some paper labels and still be OK if I'm careful. Just remember, even though it's orange scented, it's not edible!Quote:
Originally Posted by zetastrike
Who cares? Why do you need the cart in the slot all the time. It goes back to your childhood. If you took it out, put it back where it belongs or Daddy will beat you.